2014-2015 GPF Ladies Short Program 12/11

[satine]

She is not on the flat (look at the knee curve also), but she isn't on a very (clear) inside edge either. Definitely and ! call for me, never an e.


@satine: can you do a gif for the lutz as well?

Sure can. The problem is that the camera pulled so far out that gif'ing it really doesn't show too much, but here's one anyway If someone has an HQ or different-angle video of it then I'd be glad to gif that :thumbsup:

eta: I agree on it looking like a ! to me too.

 

[karlowens2]

Ashley WAGNER 2nd place (currently) 60.24

I'm an Ashley fan. But agree here with the score. It took her a while to recover after the shock of missing the 3-3. Her next spins were not that pretty and she was slow, I thought. No lutz, no difficult 3-3. It's hard to see how she can win. Reminds me of Kwan in 2006 when she relized she had to up her technical content. Her hip took care of that. I'm hoping that after some reworking of technique she can get back in there.

 

[Sabrina]

I am almost sad for how judging works. I see both Julia and Rika ahead, Julia 1st and Rika 3-4. I am not a certified specialist, still I know bits and pieces about figure skating. I watched Julia's flip frame by frame, and it was clearly inside edge. That was not looking like a Lutz at all. She had all kind of steps before, and was on outside edge but switched to inside before jumping. I agree that's not everybody point of view, still I think there are too many points lost for this jump. I didn't realize she always lost points in combination spin. Ups, Julia is far ahead in all spins. No lady these days comes even close (speed, and consistency, awesome positions at constant great speed)
Rika was amazing. Yes, she needs more polish about her positions, but she is already at a very good level. She needs some consistent good results...
Uf this judging is killing me. I noticed Julia's reaction at K&C. She was right...Hopefully she has a good LP.

 

[Snow63]

I am almost sad for how judging works. I see both Julia and Rika ahead, Julia 1st and Rika 3-4. I am not a certified specialist, still I know bits and pieces about figure skating. I watched Julia's flip frame by frame, and it was clearly inside edge. That was not looking like a Lutz at all. She had all kind of steps before, and was on outside edge but switched to inside before jumping. I agree that's not everybody point of view, still I think there are too many points lost for this jump. I didn't realize she always lost points in combination spin. Ups, Julia is far ahead in all spins. No lady these days comes even close (speed, and consistency, awesome positions at constant great speed)
Rika was amazing. Yes, she needs more polish about her positions, but she is already at a very good level. She needs some consistent good results...
Uf this judging is killing me. I noticed Julia's reaction at K&C. She was right...Hopefully she has a good LP.

Yulia said herself that she did mistake on her flip. I think she knows best. No need for conspiracy theories.
Agree with you about the spins.

 

[gucko]

I was impressed with Hongo. Big jumps and she looks tall when she skates. I am no-teknik when it comes to skating but I thought Lipnitskaya and Hongo were the best. I am fine with Tuktamysheva being in the lead, although she looks stiff to me the technical content was there. I really don't understand how Wagner is as close to the others as she is. I'm fine with the PCS giving her a boost when she has reasonable technical content. But to me, the small advantage she way have in PCS should certainly not compensate for her technical deficiencies in that skate. I think she should be farther behind the rest of the field. I have to scratch my head on how she can possibly be that close to Hongo.....makes zero sense to me.

 

[jenaj]

Wow this is way too complicated for me.

I think it was devised by a mad scientist.

 

[jenaj]

My emotional view is that the tech panel was biased. Positively toward Wagner, negatively toward Rika and Yulia. The other three Russians received what they deserved. Yulia should have lead - I can understand her reaction in K&C. She added the toughest combo, she skated better than CoC and TEB but the result is not there - actually it is worse. Rika still cannot get pcs - I think she made a good progress and that should be reflected. My "fair" scores for SP: Ashley 57-58, Rika 63-64, Yulia 70.

Is that how Ashley ended up in last place? With bias like that...

 

[jenaj]

rika second to the last?? lol.. i like her skating.. very refined, clean and not labored or all over the place or juniorish movements.. but apparently the judging on this sport seems to reward the latter.. so yeah..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHo4-8Ri4WU

and her flip..very nice..

Yep, the only clean skate ends up in 5th place.

 

[Tutto]

very happy for Liza hope she will be able to skate clean tomorrow - she's just recovered from cold/flu and admitted she had to fight to finish her sp, so unfortunate for her (and Elena) to get ill just before GPF
so sad for Anna, hope she finds a way to combat her nerves, such majestic presence on ice, I think she can be a new Carolina with time, and I liked her attitude - she said in interview that she was much surprised with her placing and not to be the last
Julia -may find extra motivation from being scored low
Rica - I can't get past her posture it kills all good points in her skating for me
Ashley - despite all her technical 'sins' just love her presentation, great to see a lady not a girl on the ice
Good luck to all the ladies for tomorrow!

 

[chloepoco]

Is that how Ashley ended up in last place? With bias like that...

Her score could/should have been lower, and that may make a difference in the final standings.

 

[chairmanmao]

The 2.67 score on Lipnitskaya 3F is beyond insane. She might as well just have landed a two-footed or turnout jump and receive a higher score. If the judges don't want to see lipping or flutzing they might as well consider the lutz and flip as the same jump. If this had been the case then Mao could have incorporated her flawless triple flutz into her programs. That was the best triple jump in Mao's arsenal, beautiful air positions and always fully rotated. Unfortunately an archaic rule that few in the audience notices and which judges and TV viewers need a slow-mo to verify prevented her from doing that.

 

[jenaj]

Her score could/should have been lower, and that may make a difference in the final standings.

She received the lowest technical score and didn't score as high on PCS as she did at her two previous events. If the judging were biased in her favor, she would have placed above Anna P. (and so would Hongo).

 

[plushyfan]

I have seen Liza and Yulia's SP. Liza was a woman on ice. Yulia is a little bit juniorish for me. Not to mention how cute Liza was in K&C.

 

[MalAssada]

I have seen Liza and Yulia's SP. Liza was a woman on ice. Yulia is a little bit juniorish for me. Not to mention how cute Liza was in K&C.

The program makes her juniorish. The first time I watched the program I was thinking that it could have been used in a completely different way, portraying a young lady lost in the commitements of adulthood (which could be interpreted as the commitements of an Olympic champion as well). I like the program overall even though her costume reminds me of a lollipop.

 

[sabinfire]

Credit to the outfit/performance (or whatever combination it is) that makes many of us think of Liza as a woman at 17 years of age, more mature than her other Russian competitors. I definitely think this helps with her scoring.

Really wish Alena Leonova was at the finals. Even if some of the "older" skaters sometimes don't have the technical abilities of the younger girls, they bring many qualities to the ice that we simply are not receiving from the younger crowd. Although... having 5 Russian ladies at the finals would be overkill!

 

[OS]

Oh dear and here I was thinking the Queen has the craziest fans. I never thought a skater that barely registers in my memory would have such a devoted follower.

Yet you are the only one obsessively mentions her. The only one here ... you must be a big fan! calling Flattfan a devoted follower!! Not as devoted as you clearly. 1. Can you read her/his nick? 2. He is more of a fan of Queen Carolina and Princess Mao FYI.... way to stab your fellow supporter in the back.

The 2.67 score on Lipnitskaya 3F is beyond insane. She might as well just have landed a two-footed or turnout jump and receive a higher score. If the judges don't want to see lipping or flutzing they might as well consider the lutz and flip as the same jump. If this had been the case then Mao could have incorporated her flawless triple flutz into her programs. That was the best triple jump in Mao's arsenal, beautiful air positions and always fully rotated. Unfortunately an archaic rule that few in the audience notices and which judges and TV viewers need a slow-mo to verify prevented her from doing that.

Surely you are not a troll pretending to be a Mao fan? Flawless 3flutz is her best jump! Not sure to agree or disagree with you. Too bad JSF were never able to get the 'correct edge should not matter' rule changed post Vancouver! Along with a bunch of rule changes that clearly favours your princess, along with UR 3A = Fully rotated Lutz. What a farce that was already. What's next, only skaters with names consist of 3 letters are allowed to win by default? Please continue though.. I am most entertained.

Overall... an underwhelming SP, Juniors are better. Can the FS get better? I really doubt it. None of the programs are worthy of the 'senior' ladies world's best status. I actually think Ashley is marked correctly and everyone is over marked. Apart from Liza who is capable of more expressive presentation, but her package is still poor for a champion program. Everyone else apart from Ashley are Junior COP skating, but only if their PCS mark reflect so. They should not score above Carolina level of the past, the fact they do clearly indicate there's something seriously wrong with the judging discrepancies. 5/9 judges are European have something to do with it? Russian wonder babies are still over marked by 3-5 points compare to the standard last quads. If this is the type of skating post Vancouver, I would not have stayed for long and spent precious hard earned £££ to travel to see this sport.

 

[iceberg]

Watching Ana's SP again particularly on her planned 3Lz 3T, how amazing! her speed is, almost exactly the same speed like Yuna! I love her to the moon!

 

[Blades of Passion]

Mao really did have a superb flutz.

 

[iceberg]

Mao really did have a superb flutz.

lol

 

[Krunchii]

The program makes her juniorish. The first time I watched the program I was thinking that it could have been used in a completely different way, portraying a young lady lost in the commitements of adulthood (which could be interpreted as the commitements of an Olympic champion as well). I like the program overall even though her costume reminds me of a lollipop.

Same, the program is nice but the outfit and the hair don't help her, they make her look too junior-ish, she could do much better

Mao really did have a superb flutz.

Sasha Cohen had the best flutz of them all