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2015-16 State of Russian Ladies skating

coldblueeyes said:
Yeah, but Anna still left the door open, the problem was that the other girls didn't rise to the occasion. Nicole had problems both in the short and in the long, although her PCS sure were really on the higher side. But Anna had problems in both programs too. If she does it like this at Worlds she's gonna get buried in the standings. Again.
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Last year she was injured so it was different.

Anyways, I'm pretty sure Anna won't go to Worlds at this rate. I think Liza will get sent but I don't think she's likely to do that well, so in that sense, it could play out in Anna's favor if she can sort through some of her issues and come back strong next season. If Tuk doesn't do well at Worlds, she'll be off the radar and the Fed may regret not giving Anna the chance.

I think Anna improved a lot this season from a presentation standpoint and her combinations also look much more secure compared to last season. Further, though she makes a lot of mistakes she's shown she can get it back together and fight through the rest of the program, it's not a situation where one thing goes wrong and the rest of the performance unravels. To me, Anna has the competitive grit and mindset to be successful, she just sometimes lacks the confidence and focus. But I think confidence and focus are easier to develop than grit and a competitive mindset, which some people simply do not have. Anna is also past puberty and still has strong jumps, to me, when she lands her jumps successfully they are a lot stronger than someone like Radionova. Obviously, with the inconsistency, she is not going to beat Radionova this season, but if she can get it together next season and in the future, things could change. If she looses her spot at Worlds hopefully it can push her to sort out whatever's causing the hard falls and come back even stronger next season. Her WS is high and she has a great SB from Mordovian Ornament, plus she gained some good ranking points from her senior Bs, Cup of China, and Euros, so she should be able to get 2 GP events even without going to Worlds.
 
silverlake22 said:
It's two things I think:

1.) She skates really fast into her jumps, so when she looses control in the air, she hits the ice hard and the momentum continues once she's down
2.) When she goes off axis and knows she's not going to land the jump, I think she stays in the rotating position as long as possible to get the full rotation of the jump. Most of the time when she falls the jump is fully rotated.

I get kind of sick of the people who keep going on and on about how she's trying to take herself out or fall so drastically. TSL likes to give her shade and say she's trying to hurt herself and retire her career, like come one, she wouldn't have skated so well at Nationals if she didn't want to compete anymore. There's a lot of pressure on her and I think that just gets to her and she occasionally loses focus after the big combos are done, which can be problematic when you're flying across the ice with that kind of speed and power.

It's the same deal as Courtney Hicks, Karen Chen, and Kaetlyn Osmond. They aren't crazy and trying to hurt themselves, it's just that when the adrenaline kicks in and you're flying across the ice like that, things can get a little scary.
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They did?! :jaw: If so, that's just utterly ridiculous! Why in the name of goodness would she do that? If she didn't want to compete anymore she could just... oh, I don't know... quit. Why put herself through all the training and competing and heartache &c, if she didn't care? And trying to injury herself on purpose... !

I don't like falls, period; but hers always worry me. I'm always afraid she has, or will, hurt herself. I wish there were some way for her to fall safer.
 
This is how Anna answered to Simonenko after the Nationals... no worries, she knows how to handle her falls better than we fans obviously :biggrin:
http://www.sovsport.ru/gazeta/article-item/872687

- I myself wondering, and asked readers to ask about this. When you fall, it looks like it hurts to watch. How come?
- To be honest, when I fall in competitions, I did not even hurt. It's upsetting to me. A pain under almost feel the adrenaline. But when adrenaline runs - yes, it hurts.

- I'm even a little bit of something else. Other skaters are falling - as if gently sit down. And you somehow backhand pieces. Maybe a child is not taught to be grouped?
- Actually, not taught, but as a child you fall not as fast. Now, if you're flying, you realize where you fly. And you can, for example, to substitute the hand, so as not to hit his head. That is a jump I still think, what's going on.

- And when we started skating, the fall was not afraid?
- No, never. Even there is no such memories, that I fell in childhood. I remember something else: trying to cling to the ledge, and his hands in the wet gloves slip. It has been on this rink. On his feet was still bad, hands slide, I'm trying to grab, it is impossible, and I clamber, climb, climb ... In the end, I got out.
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Anna's falls are not unmatched. Ksenia Makarova pretty much fell the same way as Anna: one moment she was the glamorous Marilyn Monroe and the next moment she landed on her belly. Ksenia didn't seem to get injured from falls either.
 
Perdita said:
This is how Anna answered to Simonenko after the Nationals... no worries, she knows how to handle her falls better than we fans obviously :biggrin:
http://www.sovsport.ru/gazeta/article-item/872687
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I think it is a worry actually. Even BES guys said that for a skater of Anna's calibre it is very unusual not to be able to 'group' better for a fall, that there is no awareness of going to fall at all. Ice is extremely hard surface, adrenalin is good but the odds are Anna is going to injure herself one day (hope not!).
I read somewhere that her jump technique is partly to blame and that all girls in Tsareva group fall like that.
TBH I can't enjoy Anna's skating anymore I feel like a spectator in a Roman circus
 
Tutto said:
I think it is a worry actually. Even BES guys said that for a skater of Anna's calibre it is very unusual not to be able to 'group' better for a fall, that there is no awareness of going to fall at all. Ice is extremely hard surface, adrenalin is good but the odds are Anna is going to injure herself one day (hope not!).
I read somewhere that her jump technique is partly to blame and that all girls in Tsareva group fall like that.
TBH I can't enjoy Anna's skating anymore I feel like a spectator in a Roman circus
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I'm pretty heart broken to see quite a few people talking about her falls probably not so much because they're really worried about her... So 'No worries' - that's the best sarcasm I can take out from my heart right now, but good for her that other people are truly worried about her. I personally want to respect how Anna always try to put herself under control in interviews, so if Anna says she is in control of this, I'd like to take her words and just believe in what she does since I'm not an expert nor skater myself. However, what you say about Tsareva's coaching does sound scary. I have no idea what can be done for that though...
 
Tutto said:
I think it is a worry actually. Even BES guys said that for a skater of Anna's calibre it is very unusual not to be able to 'group' better for a fall, that there is no awareness of going to fall at all. Ice is extremely hard surface, adrenalin is good but the odds are Anna is going to injure herself one day (hope not!).
I read somewhere that her jump technique is partly to blame and that all girls in Tsareva group fall like that.
TBH I can't enjoy Anna's skating anymore I feel like a spectator in a Roman circus
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I know, I won´t watch her live again for sure. First I will read how she did then I decide if my heart can tolerate it.
 
If anything, I am frustrated that Tsareva hasn't done anything to change the way she falls. In one of her falls (maybe the lutz), Anna almost hit her head on the ice. 😡
 
sunnystars said:
If anything, I am frustrated that Tsareva hasn't done anything to change the way she falls. In one of her falls (maybe the lutz), Anna almost hit her head on the ice. 😡
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Maybe Anna needs a new coach? I don't think Tsaraeva has any other high level students. She coached one other girl who was at Nationals, but she was one of the lower ranked ladies there. I don't know. I feel like a more experienced coach could help Anna more with control and the mental aspect of the sport.
 
silverlake22 said:
Maybe Anna needs a new coach? I don't think Tsaraeva has any other high level students. She coached one other girl who was at Nationals, but she was one of the lower ranked ladies there. I don't know. I feel like a more experienced coach could help Anna more with control and the mental aspect of the sport.
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There were rumours last summer that she had approached Buyanova to join her team but couldn't so I'm not sure how many high level coaches are available to add Anna to their team, she's a high level student who probably requires a lot of attention
 
Krunchii said:
There were rumours last summer that she had approached Buyanova to join her team but couldn't so I'm not sure how many high level coaches are available to add Anna to their team, she's a high level student who probably requires a lot of attention
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This is just my opinion, but it would also probably be hard for a high level coach to take Anna on if they have high level female skaters that Anna would compete with. The only coaching situation that I have ever seen where a high level coach coaches competitors at the same time is Brian Orser with Hanyu and Javi. I think would be a difficult situation. There were rumors about conflict between Yulia and Evgenia while Yulia was still in Eteri's group. Maybe Anna might do better to maybe find an international coach.
 
drivingmissdaisy said:
I'm sure it has happened, but I can't think of one top Russian single or pairs skater ever to be coached full time by a non-Russian.
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I can't either, but what she might be able to find is a Russian coach not coaching in Russia. Like maybe go to Cali and train with Ilia Kulik or something.
 
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winky97 said:
This is just my opinion, but it would also probably be hard for a high level coach to take Anna on if they have high level female skaters that Anna would compete with. The only coaching situation that I have ever seen where a high level coach coaches competitors at the same time is Brian Orser with Hanyu and Javi. I think would be a difficult situation. There were rumors about conflict between Yulia and Evgenia while Yulia was still in Eteri's group. Maybe Anna might do better to maybe find an international coach.
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Yeah that's why I was surprised she would go ask Buyanova because as long as Adelina is there she won't be the main focus, I think Anna needs someone who's firmly in her lane. Maybe Nikolai Morozov? I don't think he has any other high level students and he is her choreographer after all, I like her programs this year but I know he can be hit or miss.

edit: just realized it was 100 pages, happy 100 pages to my fellow fans of the Russian ladies
 
 
winky97 said:
I can't either, but what she might be able to find is a Russian coach not coaching in Russia. Like maybe go to Cali and train with Ilia Kulik or something.
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I'm not sure how the funding situation in Russia works. Anna was 3rd at Nationals so she's on the main Russian national team and presumably gets a fair amount of funding for her training from the federation. I don't know if she would have to train in Russia to receive this funding or if it's flexible. There are probably a lot of coaches internationally that would have the time and interest to take her on, but whether she is willing or able to move is a different story. I believe Anna goes to university in Moscow and I'm not sure how much English she knows, so those could all be limiting factors.

Maybe she could just work with someone part time to help? Brian Orser has been helping coach Daleman and Chartrand but AFAIK he is not the primary coach of either girl (Gabby's coach is Lee Barkell and Alaine's is Michelle Leigh), but they have both improved since they started working with him. Granted, I know switching coaches isn't always the answer, and Tsaraeva seems to be nicer and more understanding as of late, but she's also the only coach Anna's ever had, so you would think a fresh set of eyes could be helpful. I've actually thought about this regarding Radionova too..

And actually, Morozov might not be bad for her. He was a good coach for Miki, who Anna actually has quite a bit in common with so who knows. Amodio admitted that he shouldn't have left Morozov at Euros.
 
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Krunchii said:
There were rumours last summer that she had approached Buyanova to join her team but couldn't so I'm not sure how many high level coaches are available to add Anna to their team, she's a high level student who probably requires a lot of attention
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Yeah I heard about that, but at that time Adelina was on her comeback trail and Buyanova had just taken on Proklova as a student. I think it was an issue of having too many skaters at the top level, as she also has Kovtun and at that time probably expected that Proklova would be competing during the season.
 
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