It probably won't help him get a second spot. The open spots for men are in France (a host spot) China (a host spot) and Japan (a host spot). None of those hosts are obliged to fill their hosts spots with a non-host pick, and even if they did fill the spot with a non-host pick, they might be reluctant to choose a substitute who can threaten the placement of their own skaters.
2016-2017 Grand Prix selections
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Was Ashley a host pick? Host picks come first, IIRC. That's the only way I can see that Med wouldn't have gotten SA if she wanted it.
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LOL, I'm so sorry for your favorites' big unluck :sarcasm: I'm sure they'll do fine
Actually I think it's more bad for Max to not have a top US man to compete with at his Grand Prix competitions. Could have given him good experience/knowledge about fellow competitors before nationals, which is very important this season, US guys having two spots for worlds.
I thought US has 3 spots for men for 2017 worlds?
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Thank you. I know I shouldn't trust wikipedia but it's so convenient (usually). :hopelessness:
Yeah, I don't know why that person changed it... here's an official list of the number of entries: http://static.isu.org/media/1007/2033-entries-isu-championships-2017_revised.pdf
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LOL, I'm so sorry for your favorites' big unluck :sarcasm: I'm sure they'll do fine
Well actually, when the assignments came out I noted several people doing the one-week off thing, but Max was the first person who sprung to mind.
No, apparently all three men finishing in the top ten isn't quite good enough for the ISU...or, as I recall, for some posters here, who were quite delighted that the two Japanese splatfest LPs were enough to get three spots but that three good nailed US performances weren't good enough to keep them...
That's because 2 (Hanyu)+7(Uno)=9, while 6(Rippon)+8(Aaron)=14. When you have 3 men, the placements of the top 2 have to add up to 13 or less to keep the 3 spots----the US missed by one placement.
We kept the 3 ladies because 2(Ashley)+4(Gracie)=6. Mirai(10) didn't count.
We kept the 3 ladies because 2(Ashley)+4(Gracie)=6. Mirai(10) didn't count.
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I'm aware of the math, chuckm, I just think it's ridiculous that a country can have all three men in the top ten and lose the third spot. It is utterly ridiculous.
Today I haven't seen much "new things" from Mr Fernandez's SP.
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I am getting pretty tired of prior years ruling the spots at all.
They should have one minimum score for 1 spot, a higher one for 2 spots, and a much higher one for 3 spots and call it good. Each skater is responsible for their own score. Federations can pick who they want of whoever has what minimum scores. You only get three spots if you have at three skaters with at least one of the minimums.
If you have five skaters with the two spots score, send your best two. If you have one skater with the 3 spots score... then hopefully they are going to worlds!
A system of scores would be so much cleaner and nicer and less stressful. i am so tired of so much thought being spent on spot strategy at worlds... it kills so much of the enjoyment. This current system is just messy and ugly and forces countries and skaters to think about too much crap other than skating.
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Wouldn't this be bad for skaters who peak later in each season? If someone splats through the GP events, and Europeans/4CC being too close to worlds...?
Edit: And what about those with injuries, if scores from prior years are not used?
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If they get the minimums at Europeans/4CC so what? I mean it might encourage countries like the USA to not assign spots to early, but to me that is an added bonus! And I never said anything about not using prior years scores.
I just think it should be more based on the individual skaters than how other skaters did at some other competition.
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Guess I took your first sentence too literally, my apologies.
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There are only 6 entries left in Pairs. French Fed didn't replace Mendoza/Kovalev and now they WD Esbrat/Nosolev too. What is wrong with them? :hpull:
Polina Edmunds WD from NHK Trophy: http://www.isuresults.com/events/cat00028757.htm A chance for Mariah Bell?
Polina Edmunds WD from NHK Trophy: http://www.isuresults.com/events/cat00028757.htm A chance for Mariah Bell?
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FFSG is unlikely to make substitute entries... That's illogical but still...
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It's french fed tradition to screw their own skaters. No surprise there.
The French fed is also making themselves look REALLY bad by hosting a Pairs event with only 6 pairs. There was more than ample time to replace Mendoza / Kovalev, who were withdrawn TWO WEEKS AGO.
There WERE pairs available as substitutes that were no threat to James / Cipres, so why not replace M/K? And I'm sure they knew in advance they were going to pull E/N, too.
So how come they didn't pull Besseghier, who laid an egg last week at CoR? Or is that one coming tomorrow?
There WERE pairs available as substitutes that were no threat to James / Cipres, so why not replace M/K? And I'm sure they knew in advance they were going to pull E/N, too.
So how come they didn't pull Besseghier, who laid an egg last week at CoR? Or is that one coming tomorrow?
Thinking about the discussion on the non big six GP thread, I'm wondering if the rules should make it obligatory to add alternates up until say 6 days prior to the initial practices.
There could be a rule that, if the host does not have at least one entry in the discipline remaining with sufficient TES an exception could be made as it is for the team competition at the Olympics.
Otherwise, they would look to
- highest current season SB without 2GPs (since we are dealing with a substitution scenario) within the top 20, then
- highest last season SB without 2GPs
This would be very helpful if smaller federations were to host an event. Smaller federations (and France really seems to be the smallest of the big six) are otherwise tempted to leave precious spots unused.
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I like this idea in theory, but scores are so messy from one competition to another that I think that it wouldn't work well in practice. X lady from Skate Canada might be in trouble because of how strict the tech was there, while X lady from another event might benefit from a more generous tech panel/judges.
But yeah, I definitely see how, for example, it might be nice if it was up to Nathan Chen or Jason Brown to "earn" that three spots for the men THIS season, since neither of them were at Worlds last season. We had fewer healthy contenders last season and came thisclose to keeping three spots, and now that there are MORE healthy contenders (god willing, etc) we are down to two.
Also, fingers crossed that Mariah Bell makes it to NHK. Is it up to Japanese fed to pick who they want? If so, they have some real strategizing to do.
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