2016 World Championships Pairs Free Skate

[MaxSwagg]

Alexa and Chris would be a gifted bronze medallist in Canada today. Their inconsistency in jumps/throws/twists/programs are killers, Max. Give me the exquisiteness of Lubov/Dylan, or the charm of Julianne/Charlie, any day!

Lubov and Dylan have great line but the skating skills and performance are not so great. Seguin and Bilodeau are vastly over-rated.

 

[coldblueeyes]

Nothing wrong with comprehension here. From what I saw today, the podium clearly was representative of the top teams. Reality can be a b., or, ...hard to swallow sometimes. I understand you' re disappointed in your favorites inability to perform when it counts, but don't blame others, for their lack of success!

P.S. Note to self - your rose-coloured glasses, may need replacing soon

Point me to where I blamed others for the lack of success of my favorites, cause I wrote none of that. And who said I'm having any kind of problem swallowing reality? It's not like I'm blind and didn't watch what every pair showed on the ice. In my vision - MINE - it was an underwhelming competition because I didn't like what I saw. That's it. No hidden meaning behind it.

It's not like I have an agenda and I'm going after everyone that has a different opinion from mine. I don't care about what medal color my favorite programs are awarded or what scores they receive, I just care to see them skated well. And since they were not, the competition was underwhelming to me.

The rest I could take or leave, it doesn't matter to me either way.

 

[Osmond4gold]

Seguin and Bilodeau are vastly over-rated.

In a word ...:rofl2: Thanks Max, I needed that,

 

[MaxSwagg]

V/T have only been world champions once because they did not step up and perform their technical elements. Sorry, but it's just the way it is- PCs are important but when you don't have the jumps, you don't get the win. V/T are my favourite pair when they are on, but they in no way performed in a way today to justify even a medal- they looked slow, tired, and did not complete their elements. We don't award medals based on potential.

No. They should've won 2012 Worlds but lost due to S/S favoritism.

 

[tvuckic16]

Kolyada did as well as he could. He was outjumped by Jin.

Stolbova and Klimov had a bad twist in the SP, an error on their 3-3-1 combo which also killed the GOE and of course the fall.

Skaters should win based on how they skate not where they skate so it's a silly point to say Kolyada (who didn't have the tech of Jin) and S/K (who made errors) lost because it wasn't held in Europe. After all, the French team won against two American teams in the US, so it's not like Worlds is anti-European.

In fact looking at Kolyada's PCS, he was rewarded suitably. And given their fall and errors (and general meh FS), S/K also got some help on PCS (including 9.5 for performance/execution, with a fall).

Exactly.

 

[sweetskates1]

Ice Diva I do not claim to know D/R. I do not claim that they are tasteless and crass. And I see that you were hurt and offended by my very nonchalant explanation. That was certainly not the goal. However, I do admit that they come across as tasteless and crass to me. I simply tried to explain why D/R and their skating elicit the response that they do from me. (Btw, I already answered WeakAnkles above regarding this.) If anything, all I am claiming is that the way fans "perceive" skaters to be affects the way fans perceive the skating to be. I never mentioned Meghan's body type or any of that. Honestly, I could not care less about that. It is not about their physical look or their lack of 'romantic connection'. After having viewed the FS, I can tell you that I describe their performance as fast, unique, in unison and effortless. It is obvious to me that they have trained super hard and that they are not trying to copy others who have succeeded before them. Nonetheless, I do not feel anything good when I see them skate. I can describe them as fast but not as ethereal. I can say that they are in unison but not connected (not as friends, lovers, siblings). I can say that they are effortless but I do not think that they are epic. I went back to see their FS today and again felt nothing. My point is that I agree with others that 'dislike' their skating or feel that it doesn't do much for them. It doesn't mean that I am right or that they are awful individuals. I completely understand that others see and feel something quite different than what I see and feel as I watch them. That's the whole point - our reactions are subjective and belong to each one of us.

And I find your comments very tasteless and crass, your innuendo ugly and sad. What is "feminine grace" - some construct from the 1850s or 1950s? Is there a secret rule that "female skaters must deport themselves with the utmost feminine grace at all times ...?" Or is that just your rule? As for Connection - that doesn't need to be romantic; brothers and sisters have it when they skate together and thus, it can be just the spark of friendship, mutual respect between two skaters. Now S/K, for all their lovely lines, seem to completely lack connection. What emanates from D/R's beings is their passion for the SPORT, their love of being on the ice. So Meghan doesn't have the perfect, balletic (Russian) body held as the standard by many? I admit I prefer the balletic body but there's also nothing wrong with a boxier, more athletic body. Can't help what you are born with. And this is a sport. Moreover, what you call abrasiveness, many would see as enthusiasm and effusiveness. This is the Worlds after all. Emotions are high. Just saying ...

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

It's just sickening that a pair like D/R are twice world champions but a pair like V/T are only once. I can't complain the end though because they have the Olympic Gold, which is worth it's weight in two worlds. D/R have okay performance but the quality is even less impressive in person, and again, I was close to the ice. How in the hell they got 10s is outrageous. But I feared this given the panel and the location.

Sui/Han absolutely let this slip through their fingers and allowed D/R to win. Their quality and skating skills are miles above D/R. Meagan is a lovely girl, I met her, but the skating leaves much to be desired.

Also met Alexa and Chris briefly. I thought they did a good job and are not a bad pair at all, despite the mistakes.

Omg, what I would have given to see the sour looks on the faces of D/R haters. I'll be sure to keenly check the video replays to see stank McKayla Maroney not-impressed faces surrounded by a sea of standing ovationers.

Of course you would say D/R were "allowed" to win. It's not like the Canadians skated cleanly or anything, with the greatest difficulty (highest BV in both programs).

 

[Osmond4gold]

underwhelming competition[/B] because I didn't like what I saw. That's it. No hidden meaning behind it.

Underwhelmed...really? Well, go back and watch "the rest" of the field, excluding your favs, with an open mind coldblueeyes. Such as the other Canadians (2 personal bests), the younger Russians (personal best) the Germans (personal best), Chinese (personal best) , before making such a ridiculous observations.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

10 world championships aren't worth one Olympic gold

Oh totally! Which is why Sotnikova, Baiul and Hughes are some of the best skaters of all time (their Olympic gold worth more than the achievements and ability of Mao, Kwan, Kostner)?

 

[Ice Diva]

Ice Diva I do not claim to know D/R. I do not claim that they are tasteless and crass. And I see that you were hurt and offended by my very nonchalant explanation. That was certainly not the goal. However, I do admit that they come across as tasteless and crass to me. I simply tried to explain why D/R and their skating elicit the response that they do from me. (Btw, I already answered WeakAnkles above regarding this.) If anything, all I am claiming is that the way fans "perceive" skaters to be affects the way fans perceive the skating to be. I never mentioned Meghan's body type or any of that. Honestly, I could not care less about that. It is not about their physical look or their lack of 'romantic connection'. After having viewed the FS, I can tell you that I describe their performance as fast, unique, in unison and effortless. It is obvious to me that they have trained super hard and that they are not trying to copy others who have succeeded before them. Nonetheless, I do not feel anything good when I see them skate. I can describe them as fast but not as ethereal. I can say that they are in unison but not connected (not as friends, lovers, siblings). I can say that they are effortless but I do not think that they are epic. I went back to see their FS today and again felt nothing. My point is that I agree with others that 'dislike' their skating or feel that it doesn't do much for them. It doesn't mean that I am right or that they are awful individuals. I completely understand that others see and feel something quite different than what I see and feel as I watch them. That's the whole point - our reactions are subjective and belong to each one of us.

Thanks for your response. No, not hurt but offended only in the sense that language/words have enormous power both on a public forum and in the world - to harm or uplift ...

 

[MUALover]

Let's not lump Sotnikova and Baiul with Hughs. Hughs got lucky. I think Sotnikova won fair and square. Kim Yuna was not in her top form. Baiul skates like a ballerina on ice while Kerrigan looks like some cheerleader. Please....

 

[Osmond4gold]

Let's not lump Sotnikova and Baiul with Hughs. Hughs got lucky. I think Sotnikova won fair and square. Kim Yuna was not in her top form. Baiul skates like a ballerina on ice while Kerrigan looks like some cheerleader. Please....

MAUlover, tell that to gymers...as i think he is in ...denial.

 

[MUALover]

CanadianSkaterGuy:
Have you forgotten Baiul's Dying Swan gala performance??? No-one comes close to that level of artistry before or after - it was like Bolshoi on ice. I'm sick of Baiul bashers because they think Kerrigan should have won.

Sotnikova has amazing +GOE on jumps. I predicted she would win Sochi gold medal in skating and I was laughed off the forum, who insisted Kim MUST win. LOL - her fans are so crazy. Kim Yuna was in her top forming 2010 and since then she has taken life easy and not been working hard. If you follow her, she's been living the high life since her 2010 Gold and was travelling all over the world. You don't win gold medals by taking the easy life. V/T proved that as well. Your competitors were not born yesterday.

 

[Osmond4gold]

Have you forgotten Baiul's Dying Swan gala performance??? No-one comes close to that level of artistry before or after - it was like Bolshoi on ice. I'm sick of Baiul bashers because they think Kerrigan should have won.

o
topic:...we are talking 2016 Pairs MAUlover, although, i noticed you are late to the game. You may want to review a few threads here before asking coach to put you in. :scratch:

 

[MUALover]

o
topic:...we are talking 2016 Pairs MAUlover, although, i noticed you are late to the game. You may want to review a few threads here before asking coach to put you in. :scratch:

Sorry I quoted you by accident instead of CanadianSkaterGuy.

 

[Mathman]

10 world championships aren't worth one Olympic gold.

Look at it this way. Only three skaters have ever won ten world championships: Ulrich Salchow, Sonia Henie and Irina Rodnina.

Whereas there are myriad Olympic champions, many of whom were quickly forgotten. In two years there will be another, rain or shine. In four more years yet another, automatically, ho hum. Conversely, I doubt that any of us will ever live long enough to see another ten-time world champion.

 

[whatif]

Look at it this way. Only three skaters have ever won ten world championships: Ulrich Salchow, Sonia Henie and Irina Rodnina.

Whereas there are myriad Olympic champions, many of whom were quickly forgotten. In two years there will be another, rain or shine. In four more years yet another, automatically, ho hum. Conversely, I doubt that any of us will ever live long enough to see another ten-time world champion.

I am sure Aljona Savchenko might have something to say about it.

 

[solani]

I am sure Aljona Savchenko might have something to say about it.

She's also realistic. Winning another 5 times will be very hard, even for her. She just wants another good shot at Olympic gold. This 9th medal at Worlds, with a new partner, really puts her among the greatest pairs skaters of all time.

 

[Osmond4gold]

Look at it this way. Only three skaters have ever won ten world championships: Ulrich Salchow, Sonia Henie and Irina Rodnina.

Whereas there are myriad Olympic champions, many of whom were quickly forgotten. In two years there will be another, rain or shine. In four more years yet another, automatically, ho hum. Conversely, I doubt that any of us will ever live long enough to see another ten-time world champion.

Mathman , can you say Urmanov? For any of you unfamiliar, "google it".

 

[whatif]

Big difference is that Salchow, Henie, and Rodnina also won Olympics. And also they are remembered not for winning 10 Worlds. I side with people who say that Olympic title is technically more for the books even if it's a fluke. it's better to be Sarah Hughes than Kimmie Miessner.