2017-18 State of Russian Ladies skating
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I just saw Med's FP on YouTube.......I have to admit that I don't love it, YET. I do however, Love Evgenia. I will say this much. I like my first impression of this free program more than her 2017 FP which took me until the GPF to warm up to. If she were to win Nationals, Olympics, and Worlds, she will set herself apart from Slutskaya and make history.
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Ok, tech controllers were strict. Thank you for reminding to be careful with my choice of words on this forum.
As for me, she should get "!", not "e", but technical controller is surely more competent than I am, so I trust his judgement.
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She looked tired (not to say exhausted) after her SP and FS at Nepelay Trophy. I'll wait till RC (got some tickets already
) before making conclusions.I also usually by 'judges' mean the all judging team, not only the judges but also tech spec, as. tech spec. and tech controller. But at this situation it's really not correct to say that they were strict. To me, Zhenya should get on her 3S+3T -1 from each judge, but it didn't happen. About 'e' - from such a distance with the worst cameraman - it's hard to say. But I more agree with this call than disagree. In addition, it will make Evgenia work even harder on her lutz and her stamina.
Why did you decided that it is the pranks of RusFed? Here I have a different opinion.
I think that here was a conflict of interest - RusFed wanted, desired and insisted so that Stasia moved to the seniors, but the coaching team (don't know who makes the decisions there, Chebotareva?) wanted to retain her in juniors (Chebotareva in generally known for her "slow and steady wins the race."). RusFed did not went into open conflict as Chebotareva coach the only currently competitive (at least for the team tournament) single skater - Mikhail Kolyada.
This is (for Fed) the price of Olympic medal, as the men singles - most weak spot of Russia in the team tournament.
However, this does not mean that the bosses are not left dissatisfied. Because it was very unfair to the other girls - next Olympic cycle generation: all the older girls, i.e. age eligible for the Olympics received last season special support from the Fed - with the condition that they will moved into seniors. Very reasonable deal. And it was very unwise to break it: to take someone's place on the JGP (for example, it could be Vasilieva or Nugumanova), hoping to receive dividends due to the artificially inflated scores last season.
Thus, scandal not happened, but RusFed did not miss chance to quietly merge Stasya at the first opportunity.
And I'm supporting it: what is happening is bad for the young and talented, is bad for olympic prospects of the country, and bad in generally as a precedent - if the coaches will start telling RusFed what it needs to do - it will be start of end of figure skating in Russia.
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Do you agree with lvl3 stsc?
And I'm really interested in your opinion about tech spec. and tech contr. at 2017 Skate Canada.
Oh, this is total conspiracy, my friend. From the beginning, I was blaming Chebotareva and Rukavishin, I thought it's because of them Stasya and Alisa stayed in juniors. But then, I guess hanca, said that it's all because of federation. And I believed her. So now I don't know where is the truth.
Of course not, dear Grin.
Mr. Prinse and ms. Zuzana HOROSCAKOVA were wrong. I think Zuzana just put 3lvl, and Jeroen accepted this call, but he could change it.Did you mean Autumn Classic International 2017? She even tripped! Ugh. :disapp:
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Yes, is "Skate Canada" an unofficial name for this event?
Sorry, can't get it about "She even tripped". My English isn't perfect (
Speaking of loyalty. As for me, only Russian judge was "loyal" to Evgenia. I don't think that 8.50 is a loyal score for her transitions.
The level 3 stsq is a wrong call, it was level 4.
The rest fine, low for her standards but this is a pre-season competition, where scores aren't usually very high.
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Autumn Classic and US Classic are just made to give huge inflated scores to NA skaters (Karen Chen had almost beated Marin Honda with two messy performances vs two clean from Honda).
Yeah (actually in the short program yes, while in the free Marin Honda clearly won) or even american and canadian coaches in general.
Even with poor performances scores, their skaters receive very high scores at these two events, and often they set new PBs in order to receive that boost just in time for the GP.
Soviet Union used to do the same, for instance Golden Spin was a similar competition but now something has changed and at these kind of competitions you see judges from various parts of the world while in US and Canada it is still a competition for americans and canadians judged mostly by americans and canadians.
Isn't weird the fact that there wasn't a single russian judge at both these two events?
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Medvedeva's in good shape. She's doing enough to show that she's still distanced herself from the pack and still the clear OGM favourite.
Her 3S+3T did look UR to me, but it was borderline. The lutz was definitely a flutz, and should have gotten -3 with the edge call + turnout (looks like it might have been landed on the inside edge too, but hard to tell). That -1 was ridiculous. As was the 10.00 for PE (come on, there was an error!).
Clearly she's getting used to the backloading to hold off any potential threat from Zagitova. Not a fan of her FS quite yet, but appreciate that Evgenia's at least trying two new programs.
Her 3S+3T did look UR to me, but it was borderline. The lutz was definitely a flutz, and should have gotten -3 with the edge call + turnout (looks like it might have been landed on the inside edge too, but hard to tell). That -1 was ridiculous. As was the 10.00 for PE (come on, there was an error!).
Clearly she's getting used to the backloading to hold off any potential threat from Zagitova. Not a fan of her FS quite yet, but appreciate that Evgenia's at least trying two new programs.
Two Russian tech specs isn't enough at U.S. International? And which reason to have the Russian judge, if there no Russians as skaters?
And yes, only USA and Canada have two permanent competitions: GP+B.
Russia, China, France, Japan - have only GP and every three-four years temporary event B/JGP.
It's not fair, but as is.
I wasn't sure to include US International on that statement because there aren't the flags to recognize the country of all the judges (which is weird and unique to this event), but it's true that at the Autumn Classic there isn't a single russian judge.
And as you said it's weird that US and Canada have their own minor events on top of their own GP events.
I think these two competitions should be temporary, unless they become a little more transparent. There is a reason why not a single russian skater dares to compete there.
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Were there any Russian skaters at either the US Classic or the Autumn Classic? If not, then no it's not weird. Typically judges come from among of Feds of the competitors. And only one judge on each panel can be from each country, so out of ~7 judges only 2 max can be Canada and US. Then there's the tech panel too of course, but still it's not like the whole panel is the same.
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US and Canada have their own minor events because they are the only two skating countries in this entire hemisphere, unless central or South American countries volunteer to host 
. The vast majority of senior Bs, along with JGPs, are in Europe, which involves more travel for Americans and Canadians than just about anyone else (maybe other than Japan? they should get their own senior B too). Not everything is a conspiracy.
Anyway, I came here originally to say that everyone should cut Evgenia some slack. She's older now, not a tiny prepubescent. As you age, it becomes more and more important to make sure you are pacing yourself to peak at the right time without pushing yourself too hard. Evgenia has been injury-free, but I am sure she has aches and pains she didn't have a year or two ago. She and her jumps will be in peak shape in a few more months. It's September. She's fine.
. The vast majority of senior Bs, along with JGPs, are in Europe, which involves more travel for Americans and Canadians than just about anyone else (maybe other than Japan? they should get their own senior B too). Not everything is a conspiracy.Anyway, I came here originally to say that everyone should cut Evgenia some slack. She's older now, not a tiny prepubescent. As you age, it becomes more and more important to make sure you are pacing yourself to peak at the right time without pushing yourself too hard. Evgenia has been injury-free, but I am sure she has aches and pains she didn't have a year or two ago. She and her jumps will be in peak shape in a few more months. It's September. She's fine.
