Well, working as doctor do not make you lots of money in russia, so there are actually few professionals who are up with the most recent treatments and methods and everything. Also, they not always have access to top technology, modern equipment and so on. Which makes sometimes easier to get treatment abroad as you have more options and the cost will be around same.
2017-18 State of Russian Ladies skating
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Well, working as doctor do not make you lots of money in russia, so there are actually few professionals who are up with the most recent treatments and methods and everything. Also, they not always have access to top technology, modern equipment and so on. Which makes sometimes easier to get treatment abroad as you have more options and the cost will be around same.
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I have a question for Russian Fans.. Who do you think is the clear #2 Lady in Russia? Most people know that I was obsessed with Maria Butyrskaya. I respected Irina but, I never wanted her to beat Maria. I was the same with Plushy. I respected Yags. However, I never wanted him to beat Plushy. When the top Russians are against each other, is their a skater that you'd like to see on top, other than Med?
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Anna was the clear #2 until that Worlds LP :hopelessness:. Now it's up for grabs. I want to see Maria, Adelina, Anna, or Polina Tsurskaya on top
cry: her bone condition). Elena and Liza have parts of their skating that I love, but I find their artistry to need more work compared to the ladies I prefer. Which will probably be Alina, who is just too green for me to tell if I love her skating or not.
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I don't rule her out - if she gets back to her 2014-2015 consistency, without 3A, she can 100% make the team. Not pass Evgenia, but be a solid #2 or #3. I don't care about the 3A - but what happened that made her lose that insane consistency she had for one season? She could find it again at the right time and make the team. I love her jumps so much and I want to love her, but her simplistic choreo/skating just really make her not one of my on-ice faves.
Yes, to be honest it seems that after 2015 Worlds both Liza and Mishin looked less motivated, almost satisfied with that achievement at a point where they don't have anything to prove now.
This season she was trying to get back on track until Nationals, then i don't know what happened but she performed poorly there and again at the Universiade.
She could be back in the Russian Team with the 3A and more consistency, although i've seen a video interview recently where she was practicing the 3ltz-3T, so i don't think they will return to that element, it's too demanding.
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All she has to do is get back to her pre-3A 14-15 content AND consistency and she will be on the team, at least until the next crop of juniors moves up. Do the 3T-3T, have programs that aren't awful, no 3A. Reach the Olympics!
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She has talked about it in interviews. There's one in particular that discusses it quite a lot - but I don't think I've the time to find that particular one at the moment. Basically, the season after it took her some time to come back into shape - and she expected or demanded of herself that she should be in the same form she was before, and didn't understand why she wasn't. She kept piling on the pressure on herself - the more pressure she piled on, the worse things got. (I never want to see her look like she did at Russian Nationals that year - that wasn't nerves; that was terror plain & simple.) So, this season she has been trying not to do that, but let things work out in their own time, and just try to go out there and do her best.
(Note: She has been seeing a sports psychologist. And in an interview she actually said that she was interested in pursuing the subject after she retires from competition.)
I hope I have done some justice to what Liza said, and haven't misprepresented it in any way. But I did try to convey the gist of what she said. But still I'd like to put in a disclaimer that these are not direct quotes, and only based on my recollections of what I read. Apologies for any mistakes.
ETA - An Instagram post from some weeks ago:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQn_qxWAhTx/?taken-by=liza_tuktik
Via Google translate:
That's the end of the main part of the season. I admit, it was not an easy one, but it was possible to finish it on a pleasant note.! There is a motivation and desire to work on, but now the main thing is to heal the injuries and again to fight, Enjoying the process.
thank you to everyone who, despite the setbacks, believes and supports me, without your warm messages and the feeling of support in the arena, I probably would have died out long ago. Always yours, tuktik
I really don't think "lack of motivation" has been her issue - which would suggest she didn't care enough; rather I think she cared too much.
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In Liza's case, Mishin is in no way to blame. After winning the WC, she just over-enjoyed herself and lost her proper form. When she returned to the ice in the following season, with Medvedeva's appearance, the Russian girls' competitions were getting incredibly crazy. Without 3Lz+3T or 3A, her competitiveness within the team was completely lost. In a sense, her win at the 2015 Worlds is a very successful bet her team placed on the 3A. Yes, they did it, only once, but it has changed her life drastically. As for her position in the Olympic season, I do wish her to make the team, because I really hate to see more monopoly in the Russian Girls' discipline besides Pairs.
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At least she has one Worlds once and landed the triple axel succesfully. Even if she never appears on the World stage again, no one can take away that title from her. A lot of other Russian skaters are not that lucky. I think she needs a different packaging, but a comeback is possible. Maybe not in the Olympic season, but later. The bat-costumes have to go. It seems like she's uncomfortable and wants to hide behind all the fabric.
^^^ I see no reason why Liza can't 'do a Gabby Daleman'. If you can do the jumps without UR'ing or getting edge calls you'll always be a threat - look how well Wakaba Higuchi, a very similar skater to Liza and Gabby did at the recent WTT. All Liza needs to do is get her head together, good that she's been seeing a sports psychologist.
One thing that will be important though will still be to have the 3A in her armoury, otherwise it's likely she'll be buried at Russian Nationals before the Olympic team is selected. However if she has the 3A she'll be right in the mix after the SP, and can then take it from there, plus if she can't manage it, but at least fully rotates it, it won't cost her compared with her 2A. She just has to be brave and really go for it.
One thing that will be important though will still be to have the 3A in her armoury, otherwise it's likely she'll be buried at Russian Nationals before the Olympic team is selected. However if she has the 3A she'll be right in the mix after the SP, and can then take it from there, plus if she can't manage it, but at least fully rotates it, it won't cost her compared with her 2A. She just has to be brave and really go for it.
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So sad for Tsurkaya. 
She was one of my favourite up and comers... hopefully her health improves and we will see her back on top.
She was one of my favourite up and comers... hopefully her health improves and we will see her back on top.Interesting that the coach and the mother are saying 2 different things
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Liza's biggest issue is her packaging. Now that Mishin has Kostner, I'm wondering how that will affect her approach. I would love to see her have a comeback but regardless of what happens, she then first to have a 4-triple SP and we will always have her Arabian-inspired muumuu fierceness. It's good motivation to any other skaters who want to come back even after everyone has counted them out.
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Anastasia Tarakanova, winner of Russian Nationals Younger Age (Zhuk Memorial) and also Russian Nationals Elder Age is switching from Svetlana Panova's (Maria Sotskova's previous coach) group to Eteri's group. She will be age eligible for JGP next season.
Thanks for the news! It's good because Nastya is struggling with 3lutz and Tutberidze's team could help. But I hope Eteri won't change her SP. Because it's very beautiful program.
For those who haven't seen her short program.
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Adelina, although I can't see her competing with the top Russians now. I also prefer Alina's skating to Medvedeva's, but I don't think Evgenia can be beaten unless her form drops considerably.
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Nice team indeed:
- World Senior Champion (Medvedeva)
- World Junior Champion (Zagitova)
- Russian Novice Champion (Tarakanova)
- Russian Novice Silver Medalist (Shcherbakova)
- Russian Novice Bronze Medalist (Trusova)
plus Tsurskaya and Panenkova.
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Not sure if this has been posted somewhere already, but per Jackie Wong, Elena R. will be getting choreo from Shae-Lynn. Which I think is fantastic. Elena is a diva, and Shae-Lynn can bring that out, and, hopefully, refine it a bit, too.
