2017-18 State of Russian Ladies skating

[Grin]

I daresay LLL is a better fit for Liza Nugumanova than it is for Ashley Wagner! :eeking:

I dare say if Ashley had 3f-3lo she would be at Olympics )

 

[Grin]

Diana wasn't clean, but I like her FS (probably, due to choreo)
https://youtu.be/-rjQVnmxRZU

 

[tars]

People need to remember this girl's leg was basically in two pieces just six months ago. :hopelessness:
I think Anna did a great job with super difficult content she had to deal with.
Bravo, Anyutka! :clapper:

 

[Elucidus]

And I liked Safonova FS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_cNwD_EvGM
It has really mature feel while maybe not very difficult technically. Also I like how she works with her arms too. She is lke mini-Pogo for me )

 

[Shayuki]

I wonder how this would compare to the last time she had her first competition after injury. Back in last year's February, she fell and invalidated her first spin in SP and in the FS she also invalidated her first spin. She also had a step out and just completely forgot to perform an entire jump pass. In this competition, she had 2 URs(one of which were called), and one fall on the UR'd Flip.

The good news is that in just 2 months after return she already was significantly better than she ever had been last season. But of course, the injuries are of different kinds... To be honest though, she actually was able to perform every single triple jump, backloading everything and landed quite a few difficult combos. I'd say that when it comes to the technical aspects, that's quite far ahead of where I would have dared to hope she would be at this point.

I had even mentally prepared that she might not even compete at all during this season, except perhaps during some small competitions closer to summer. With that perspective, placing second here is still a very respectable achievement.

 

[atsumiri]

And I liked Safonova FS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_cNwD_EvGM
It has really mature feel while maybe not very difficult technically. Also I like how she works with her arms too. She is lke mini-Pogo for me )

she is like a stick... It's hard to watch

 

[Elucidus]

Btw, this feeling when top 5 https://outdatedlink.org/figurch/src/1515953763873.jpg in some unknown russian tornament with super strict judging and low junior pcs score, with some third rate competitors who couldn't make it to international starts - have points much higher than 3rd place deserving Olympic spot in senior Canadian Championship famous for their inflation and lax tech panel

 

[Shayuki]

Btw, this feeling when top 5 https://outdatedlink.org/figurch/src/1515953763873.jpg in some unknown russian tornament with super strict judging and low junior pcs score, with some third rate competitors who couldn't make it to international starts - have points much higher than 3rd place deserving Olympic spot in senior Canadian Championship famous for their inflation and lax tech panel

Yep, although none of these 5 would be age eligible for Olympics anyway.

But the qualification system is in a curious place when several 10-year-old Russian skaters could likely have a better showing than whoever is the third skater that Canada decides to send to the Olympics.

 

[Grin]

Yep, although none of these 5 would be age eligible for Olympics anyway.

But the qualification system is in a curious place when several 10-year-old Russian skaters could likely have a better showing than whoever is the third skater that Canada decides to send to the Olympics.

I'm afraid when Trusova, Kostornaya and Sherbakova will become eligible for Olympics there will be only two spots for a country at international competitions ...
That would be a shame and a crime, but I think it is possible.

 

[puremagic]

Yep, although none of these 5 would be age eligible for Olympics anyway.

But the qualification system is in a curious place when several 10-year-old Russian skaters could likely have a better showing than whoever is the third skater that Canada decides to send to the Olympics.

If we'll have the same interest for those 10 yo superstars, then we don't need to even record them everytime. Look how reacted that studio-38 with Shcherbakovamania. They immediately woke up and started to upload videos with almost every skate. At the first Shcherbakova's video they even added her name in English. When Samodelkina-, Akatieva-, Berestovskaya- mania will begin?

 

[puremagic]

I'm afraid when Trusova, Kostornaya and Sherbakova will become eligible for Olympics there will be only two spots for a country at international competitions ...
That would be a shame and a crime, but I think it is possible.

That would a be nice step, because sometimes you need to get a nice slap on your face to start to think. But I'm afraid Russia won't. They don't even care about Juniors Gala, because they have no idea that it could bring them big money, not to mention NFSL... Ugh.

 

[Bluediamonds09]

What’s going on with Alisa Fedichkina?? I SO want her to succeed. Her jumps always scared me, even when she was teeny-tiny, so I’m afraid she’s already lost in the shuffle. Especially with all these less-than-12-year-olds gaining so much attention.
Is there a competition going on right now??

 

[Elucidus]

That would a be nice step, because sometimes you need to get a nice slap on your face to start to think. But I'm afraid Russia won't. They don't even care about Juniors Gala, because they have no idea that it could bring them big money, not to mention NFSL... Ugh.

I am afraid they really don't care. Soccer and hockey - these big two where money are for russian sport officials. And they are right - public there loves exactly this. Why bother with something else? There isn't infinite space at general tv program, after all - and even biathlon or basketball is more popular there than figure skating.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

What’s going on with Alisa Fedichkina?? I SO want her to succeed. Her jumps always scared me, even when she was teeny-tiny, so I’m afraid she’s already lost in the shuffle. Especially with all these less-than-12-year-olds gaining so much attention.
Is there a competition going on right now??

She recently moved to Mishin.

 

[russianfan]

I like Kanysheva, her rippons are good. But she lacks speed a bit. Also, second part of the program is weird, i wonder if she choreographed it by herself? Music doesn't make any sense, its too fast for figure skating, and she doesn't even trying to interpret it.

 

[tars]

I'm afraid when Trusova, Kostornaya and Sherbakova will become eligible for Olympics there will be only two spots for a country at international competitions ...
That would be a shame and a crime, but I think it is possible.

Yes, I've noticed that, reading RusFed's general director Kogan's editorial (page 3) to the newest "Mir Figurnovo Katanya" (World of Figure Skating):

[...]Мы сталкиваемся с активным продвижением мнения об ограничении количества квот от одной страны на соревнования, в том числе на финале ИСУ Гран-при. Но Федерация фигурного катания на коньках России ведет бескомпромиссную борьбу против этого, мы защищали, защищаем и будем защищать интересы спортсменов и идеалы спорта[...]

[...]We are facing an active promotion of the opinion on limiting the number of quotas from one country to the competitions, including ISU Grand Prix Final. Federation is fighting hard against that, we defended, defend and will defend athletes' interests and ideals of the sport.[...]

 

[Spirals for Miles]

It makes no sense to limit the amount of skaters like that just because one or two countries do well. If 4 of the 6 GPF skaters are Russian, then it's because they earned their spots there and they are strong enough to make it there. It seems very reactive, like an "oh, they're too successful, we have to limit that". Sports aren't about making rules just because others don't like the success of the strong. It's ridiculous.

 

[russianfan]

Yes, I've noticed that, reading RusFed's general director Kogan's editorial (page 3) to the newest "Mir Figurnovo Katanya" (World of Figure Skating):

if that's the case, may be we should do something to promote an opinion to limit amount of players in football games between our team and top tier teams(like England, Germany and so on)? because our players are too bad to be able to win 11 vs 11, i think 11 vs 9 would be fair for our cripples

 

[Elucidus]

We are facing an active promotion of the opinion on limiting the number of quotas from one country to the competitions, including ISU Grand Prix Final.

Also there are this:
https://rsport.ria.ru/interview/20180111/1131019230.html

I will not mention names, but we have friends who are part of the world elite, and sometimes they say: John, well, tell the truth, you're all doping! I answer: you know how many years I know, do I look like a person who is doping? What is the logic? We are checked the same way as they check you.

In Russia, many are convinced that Russian athletes do not want to be seen as competitors in the international arena. But our foreign colleagues say: this is not so, we are interested in rivalry. What do you think about this?
Jonathan: You know, it seems to me that in the global plan this is a little hypocrisy. I think they should say this, but in fact, if there are no strong Russian athletes in the international arena, many will be delighted. And besides, as I said, the majority there is still sure that the Russians are under doping.
Here I met with Australian friends who have not seen 11 years - and they to me again: John, stop doping, you put so much on it, let's go on your own ... I say: stop! What are you speaking about?! They are: Well, we read news, watch TV ... And I told them: yes you turn it off! But they go to the social network, and there everything is the same: all the Russians are on doping. Although I do not understand how the topic of doping can concern such a complicated co-ordination sport as figure skating.

google-translated part of interview with Gureiro/Zagorsky dance pair
Maybe it plays its part in all these talks concerning limiting Russia quotas.

 

[Elucidus]

It makes no sense to limit the amount of skaters like that just because one or two countries do well. If 4 of the 6 GPF skaters are Russian, then it's because they earned their spots there and they are strong enough to make it there. It seems very reactive, like an "oh, they're too successful, we have to limit that". Sports aren't about making rules just because others don't like the success of the strong. It's ridiculous.

Hm, maybe some solution would be to increase number of gpf finalists from strongest 6 to strongest 9 or 12? After all GPF now is dissapointingly short comparing to gp events. It's a pity to have so little time for such prestigious tournament anyway )