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2017-18 State of U.S. Ladies Skating

No Vera Wang please. I agree that she could use a new costume for the long program but the dress for the short is beautiful and like you pointed out the color really pops against her skin tone and on ice, I love it.

I’m a huge fan of Vera Wang, but we don’t need to go there.

I probably shouldn’t be this focused on a body feature (especially given that I mentioned upthread the male-centric view of women’s bodies having more value than their brains, and very little at that), but I just think Bradie has extraordinary skin. It’s like translucent alabaster. And please don’t turn this into a racist comment. I think Emannuel Savary is all kinds of spectacular, too. And Starr, and, and......
 
Am I the only one who loves Bradie's lp dress? It's one of my favorites this year. The color was clearly inspired by the dress Cinderella wears in the live action movie.

I like the detailing of it, although it doesn’t stand out in the rink. Everything actually except the shade of blue. It looks too baby blue to be grown up enough and sophisticated. Against that fabulous skin, I love to see saturated color (as in the short: maybe the blue but not “baby”?
 
I like the detailing of it, although it doesn’t stand out in the rink. Everything actually except the shade of blue. It looks too baby blue to be grown up enough and sophisticated. Against that fabulous skin, I love to see saturated color (as in the short: maybe the blue but not “baby”?

See sophistication isn't necessary for me. I just like to see a dress that fits the program. I love baby/sky blue. My Tumblr is a similar color. I think being grown up can be vastly overrated at times. Youthfulness is refreshing. While I'll admit it fits the program, I don't like Bradie's sp dress as much. It's a nice color, just not my favorite. I'm more of a blue person than a red person.
 
Much as I'd love to see Bradie surprise everyone with a bronze, realistically, I think she's more of a transitional figure--the first American Lady who's really adapted to the new system and trains/skates accordingly.

I like Bradie a lot, but this gives her a little too much credit. There's no question that Gracie was also very successful under IJS, with gorgeous, fully-rotated jumps, excellent spins (her spins have always been underrated - great speed and centering on these), and great skating skills. She was a headcase, but that doesn't mean she wasn't adapted to IJS.
 
It all comes down to Money. Now that Bradie has won Nationals she will get more sponsors and support. Skating is very expensive and Costumes are not cheap. But I have no complaints about her blue dress except considering how fair she is, a darker blue may have been better. Bradie comes across as a very sensible young lady. I think she will make all the right moves and continue to succeed. She already has succeeded in a big way.
 
I like Bradie a lot, but this gives her a little too much credit. There's no question that Gracie was also very successful under IJS, with gorgeous, fully-rotated jumps, excellent spins (her spins have always been underrated - great speed and centering on these), and great skating skills. She was a headcase, but that doesn't mean she wasn't adapted to IJS.
I always loved Gracie and still do. Hope she can come back stronger than ever. But--Bradie is more consistent than Gracie ever was. I always held my breath when Gracie skated, like please,please don't fall. With Bradie I don't ever feel like she might fall. Sure she has and will again but to skate like she did at Nationals is pretty darn amazing,
 
I always loved Gracie and still do. Hope she can come back stronger than ever. But--Bradie is more consistent than Gracie ever was. I always held my breath when Gracie skated, like please,please don't fall. With Bradie I don't ever feel like she might fall. Sure she has and will again but to skate like she did at Nationals is pretty darn amazing,

Gracie has now posted several comments about wanting to come back and missing competing.
 
I always loved Gracie and still do. Hope she can come back stronger than ever. But--Bradie is more consistent than Gracie ever was. I always held my breath when Gracie skated, like please,please don't fall. With Bradie I don't ever feel like she might fall. Sure she has and will again but to skate like she did at Nationals is pretty darn amazing,

Oh you're 100% right. But I don't think inconsistency necessarily means not being an IJS skater. Gracie had rotated jumps, hit her levels, and had great skating skills. Those are IJS qualities, consistent or not.

I am very impressed with Bradie's jumps, her ability to hit her levels (granted, her footwork isn't pretty - but I like her spins), and her complete reliabilitity as a competitor. I think she's getting a lot of unfair hate because she made the US team and Ashley didn't. And I'm an Ashley fan who is mad about Ashley not making the team! Even if I was a petty jerk who felt the need to blame a skater, I would blame Karen! She's the one who so narrowly beat Ashley, and with more jumping errors, too.

But ultimately it was the judges and the committee - and Karen and Ashley are probably about equally "worthy," so USFS went with youth and the future over experience. It's a better investment.

(As for Bradie, there's no winning against levels, transitions, and fully-rotated jumps. That is what ladies skating has turned into over the past 4 years. After these Olympics, i think we will see judges start to make more genuine artistic differentiation among these ladies, now that there's enough of them to form a truly interesting and competitive field.)
 
I like Bradie a lot, but this gives her a little too much credit. There's no question that Gracie was also very successful under IJS, with gorgeous, fully-rotated jumps, excellent spins (her spins have always been underrated - great speed and centering on these), and great skating skills. She was a headcase, but that doesn't mean she wasn't adapted to IJS.

Oh, see I see Gracie as someone whose incredible athletic talent meant she'd do well under any system that showed up. She'd have done fine, when skating well, under the 6.0 system as well. I don't think her training/programming was focused the way Bradie's has been.
 
Oh, see I see Gracie as someone whose incredible athletic talent meant she'd do well under any system that showed up. She'd have done fine, when skating well, under the 6.0 system as well. I don't think her training/programming was focused the way Bradie's has been.

Anyone who hits their spins levels, hits footwork levels, puts certain point-grabbing jumps in the second half and focus on rotating their jumps is focusing in training on the IJS system. I believe Gracie did this for sure. Almost always level 4’s on everything. That’s not by chance. Her jumping talent may be “by chance” in the way that she was born with natural ability to rotate but she worked hard to get her jumps clean and enough stamina to put them in the second half for sure.
 
Oh you're 100% right. But I don't think inconsistency necessarily means not being an IJS skater. Gracie had rotated jumps, hit her levels, and had great skating skills. Those are IJS qualities, consistent or not.

I am very impressed with Bradie's jumps, her ability to hit her levels (granted, her footwork isn't pretty - but I like her spins), and her complete reliabilitity as a competitor. I think she's getting a lot of unfair hate because she made the US team and Ashley didn't. And I'm an Ashley fan who is mad about Ashley not making the team! Even if I was a petty jerk who felt the need to blame a skater, I would blame Karen! She's the one who so narrowly beat Ashley, and with more jumping errors, too.

But ultimately it was the judges and the committee - and Karen and Ashley are probably about equally "worthy," so USFS went with youth and the future over experience. It's a better investment.

(As for Bradie, there's no winning against levels, transitions, and fully-rotated jumps. That is what ladies skating has turned into over the past 4 years. After these Olympics, i think we will see judges start to make more genuine artistic differentiation among these ladies, now that there's enough of them to form a truly interesting and competitive field.)

I don't think its because of Ashley at all. In fact I don't she factors much when it comes to the majority of criticism of Bradie. It comes from mostly rabid Mirai fans who think she should have won because she didn't bomb. The nationals threads, and this thread immediately after, are filled with how Mirai was robbed, her PCS marks should have been higher, she would definitely do better then Bradie internationally no question about it, the USFSA would never let Mirai win its rigged for Bradie, etc. :slink:
 
I don't think its because of Ashley at all. In fact I don't she factors much when it comes to the majority of criticism of Bradie. It comes from mostly rabid Mirai fans who think she should have won because she didn't bomb. The nationals threads, and this thread immediately after, are filled with how Mirai was robbed, her PCS marks should have been higher, she would definitely do better then Bradie internationally no question about it, the USFSA would never let Mirai win its rigged for Bradie, etc. :slink:

You can't be serious..... there are such rabid fans? :drama:
 
I don't think its because of Ashley at all. In fact I don't she factors much when it comes to the majority of criticism of Bradie. It comes from mostly rabid Mirai fans who think she should have won because she didn't bomb. The nationals threads, and this thread immediately after, are filled with how Mirai was robbed, her PCS marks should have been higher, she would definitely do better then Bradie internationally no question about it, the USFSA would never let Mirai win its rigged for Bradie, etc. :slink:

The vast majority of Mirai fans are simply happy she’s going to the Olympics and can care less about Bradie. From what I’ve seen, people are angry that Bradie’s juvenile program got the highest PCS. My guess her haters aren’t just one skaters fans but an assortment of fans.
 
What, people have been saying things like that? Strange. That makes absolutely no sense. Mirai's moment was glorious, but it was not without its flaw. I didn't like Bradie's performances and sure, I didn't want Bradie to win, but anyone who says she shouldn't have here is absolutely delusional. To be honest, I don't think too many people cared if Mirai won or not. Making the team was her gold medal. And why wouldn't USFSA have wanted Mirai to win here? :scratch2: It would have been a huge story for them and a publicity boon. To have a comeback champion ten years later, and after all those tragic images of her from 2014, you couldn't write a more sensational script. Especially with the upcoming Games, they would have promoted this narrative to the high heavens. If Mirai had landed the axels cleanly in both programs and Bradie still won, okay there might be a problem. But she didn't, and had some other mistakes, and that's simply what happened. Do I think Bradie should have had higher PCS than Mirai, Ashley, or even Karen? No, not really, but it was a moment and I understand. She definitely won, and it's not like a few gratuitous PCS points were going to make a difference. And sure, I did make some snarky comments about how she's getting coronated as the next Gracie 2.0 or something dumb like that, but it was all in good humor. They were blatantly propping her up and it was quite funny for a minute, but it was also harmless in the grand scheme of things (imo). The judges at the Olympics will bring Bradie back down to Earth, and if she has a nice showing, it will set her up well for the future. It's not like Mirai is the PCS queen or anything, and that it would have made a difference in her final placement. That's Ashley's shtick and it's why she's pissed isn't it? I don't see how a Mirai vs Bradie narrative slots in here cause it's pretty clear who won.
 
I don't think its because of Ashley at all. In fact I don't she factors much when it comes to the majority of criticism of Bradie. It comes from mostly rabid Mirai fans who think she should have won because she didn't bomb. The nationals threads, and this thread immediately after, are filled with how Mirai was robbed, her PCS marks should have been higher, she would definitely do better then Bradie internationally no question about it, the USFSA would never let Mirai win its rigged for Bradie, etc. :slink:


Gosh, you are so right about this! I'm glad someone mentioned it. I haven't seen it on this site, thankfully, but I've seen some rabid Mirai fans (and a few Karen fans) on tumblr and twitter blaming racism for the fact that Mirai didn't win first place and claiming that Bradie has no right to even go to the Oympics due to her newness. These people have also made many comments about Bradie not even deserving to be on the nationals podium and hoping she does poorly in Korea. :disapp:

It's made me so angry that I'm slowly becoming a Bradie uber out of pure irritation :drama:
 
See sophistication isn't necessary for me. I just like to see a dress that fits the program. I love baby/sky blue. My Tumblr is a similar color. I think being grown up can be vastly overrated at times. Youthfulness is refreshing. While I'll admit it fits the program, I don't like Bradie's sp dress as much. It's a nice color, just not my favorite. I'm more of a blue person than a red person.

In normal life maybe yes. But we have a strong junior/senior children/women division at this sport and I think there is an expectation to look and act like a grown up. I don't claim that this is good but I totally understand how the visuals can contribute to the sophistication of the program. A 19 year old with a tiara doesn't really look promising for getting those composition and interpretation points.
 
(Also, many years from now, I hope Karen Chen becomes a choreographer--she has great potential there.)

Yeah, _crazy_ that she did her OWN choreography on both the short program and free skate. Mad skills for someone so young.
 
Mirai fans are cray cray and always have been. Just look at their reaction to the perfectly justified and correct decision to bump her in 2014 (albeit if they were to have anger ever over it, it should be today, not then, as taking Edmunds over her is heavily inconsistent with Miner-Zhou, but that is a whole other topic), and their continued whining she didnt win the Olympic bronze in 2014 despite that she missed by a whopping 13 points or so. :laugh: I would ignore them, they arent worth the time of day, never have been.

For me, those who make unfair sweeping generalizations like yours are not worth the time of day, never have been. :dev2:

It is true regarding a lot of skaters -- not limited to Mirai -- that certain fans of theirs are OTT and extreme in opinions/behavior.
And that other fans of theirs are not OTT or extreme.

I have said it before and I'll say it again:
Some Mirai fans were not opposed to the 2014 decision. They only felt terrible for Mirai that the decision was an emotional ordeal for her.​
 
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