Meagan may be doing the technical caller training so she can use the skills in her coaching, not pursuing judging/calling as an end in itself.
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Meagan may be doing the technical caller training so she can use the skills in her coaching, not pursuing judging/calling as an end in itself.
I saw the results have both an SP and FS marks, and the final mark. I don't say you are not correct, but I don't understand what you mean. How many programs did they skate (other than SP + LP)
I noticed the results have been updated with the FS marks:
Junior Ladies Final Round Free Skate (12 competed; Sarah R’s tweeted live commentary/music info linked for select skaters below):
* = FR free skate score higher than QR
Wren Warne-Jacobsen (UGL) 92.83* [ https://twitter.com/pas_deChat/status/1020693897943625728 ]
Noelle Rosa (CP) 90.24* [ https://twitter.com/pas_deChat/status/1020695340947734530 ]
Beverly Wooden 85.12* [ https://twitter.com/pas_deChat/status/1020679939350323200 ]
Maryn Pierce (SW) 84.52 – Moon River
Madeline Schizas (CAN) 82.81* – Miss Saigon
Natalie Walker (CAN) 78.26 – La La Land ending with Someone in the Crowd
Emilea Zingas (EGL) 78.23* – artistic standout for me in this event with a nuanced & very musical performance to “Turning Tables” by Adele [Sarah agreed: https://twitter.com/pas_deChat/status/1020685834369011712 (final 2 jumps landed were 2A+2T & 2A]
Evelyn Walsh (CAN) 76.34
Amie Miyagi (CP) 76.33
Maya Gorodnitsky (ISR) 70.89*
Vanessa Jasiewicz (EGL) 66.44
Olivia Clarke (CP) 58.72
It's a unique feature of US competitions.sabrina
the junior ladies were in two groups... they did SP and FP.. then the top 6 from groups A and from group B did a second FP if i m not mistaken
that's why it's confusing
and that's what Final Round means
They use it in sectionals to determine final placements as well...
Whereas in Canada we tend to have sectional series to determine who gets to go to the section event. So, at sectionals there is only a single flight.
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too bad for Walsh though.. she must have been pooped doing 4 programs in what? 2-3days? pairs and singles .. kudos to Evelyn
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the junior ladies were in two groups... they did SP and FP.. then the top 6 from groups A and from group B did a second FP if i m not mistaken
that's why it's confusing
and that's what Final Round means
That's correct. It's usual for most US competitions where there are more than 20 competitors to split them into groups. Each group does SP+FS and the top finishers go on to a Free Skate Final which determines the outcome.
In Canada, when you have multiple groups, the skaters in the different groups never face each other, so the top skaters don't get a chance to compete against one another. At Minto, there will be 3 Junior ladies groups. Group 1 has Alison Schumaker and Amelia Orzel; Group 2 has Aurora Cotop, Natalie Walker and Hannah Dawson; Group 3 has Evelyn Walsh and Lissa Ann McGaughey.
Wouldn't it be that much more exciting if there were a final round with those skaters vying for a Minto Junior Ladies Championship?
The excitement comes from the their ranking in the summer series...
And then the sectional final.
For Novice and pre-novice women, Minto has very many flights each (over 7 is not unusual), and flights run to 25 or 30 skaters.
Last year, Minto had 1000 skaters registered and which meant about 1500 skates were judged across all the events.
Booking another FS for each event would mean dropping some events.
It would make sense to limit Free Skate Finals to just Junior and Novice ladies, which would mean adding just two short events: the top 12 Junior ladies, the top 12 Novice ladies. That would mean the top 4 from each Junior group and the top 3 from each Novice group.
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Off topic, but:
TGee, I think you meant (if anything) U.S. regionals, not U.S. sectionals.
[ETA: U.S. sectionals have twelve entries, four from each of three regionals feeding into each sectionals.]
And I hope chuckm will come back and explain about U.S. regionals -- which actually use a different format for qualifying, AFAIK. For the qualifying round at U.S. regionals, all entries skate their free skates. Those who qualify to move forward then compete their short programs and (for the second time) their free skates.
[ETA: U.S. sectionals have twelve entries, four from each of three regionals feeding into each sectionals.]
And I hope chuckm will come back and explain about U.S. regionals -- which actually use a different format for qualifying, AFAIK. For the qualifying round at U.S. regionals, all entries skate their free skates. Those who qualify to move forward then compete their short programs and (for the second time) their free skates.
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i agree it would be fun.. but then as we saw with Walsh, a lot of our singles skaters do pairs and/or dance... so it would be crazy intense.
I guess Skate Canada is confident with the final scoring of individual groups and doesn't feel it's necessary to have another round?
In the end, it's interesting to see how different organizations run their events.
I think that Skate Canada counts on skaters having to do 2 competitions out of 5 in the national summer series to round out the edges.
Many skaters actually enter 3 summer series in case of injury or international assignments. If they can, some do all 3 with the best two counting.
But my experience is that there is more likely judging variations across the major competitions than at the same one. Likely because they are intentionally held in different sections.
At a given competition, the flights are scheduled consecutively. While the judging panels aren't exactly the same, and who's in the ref's chair or tech controller rotates, there is a good deal of overlap across the judging and Tech panels. And there is a real mixing in of senior judges who are qualified for ISU events to keep things grounded.
That said, I can see how the "skate-off" in a final would be fun...
Thank you for all your replies, I had no idea of the format. Honestly I think they should do just 1 sp and 1 FS, split in n groups, and then mix the results in a final order. There is no need for an extra FS. That's really bad for guys doing both singles and pairs or dance.
The skaters doing two or three disciplines could (and probably should) opt out of a final singles event. But the individual medalists of the separate groups do lose out on an opportunity to test themselves head-to-head in a small group against peers that they may not meet again in some cases until Challenge. Such an opportunity would also help them develop a sense of what real competition feels like, and that would help a lot when they have to face international rivals.
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I appreciate all of these summer comp. updates, chuckm. Thank you!
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How is Gabby looking this summer? With Kaetlyn off the GP, isn't she Canada's #1?
Does anyone know if Patrick is coaching, or doing choreography for any students this fall? I'm already missing him and the season hasn't even begun. :sad21:
Agree. I think it's a different mentality if you feel there is only one other "tough" skater in your group, versus five or six. Having more of a fight for the podium and knowing that you cannot make tons of mistakes and still get a medal seems like it would be good experience.
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Thanks Mr. Rice, and always great to hear from you, esp. in the off season!
Gabby was Canada's no. 1 after Nationals last season, and as you know she performed strongly in the Team event at the OG, as well as delivering a nice SP at Worlds. She faltered in the LP both in the OG individual and at Worlds. We have since learned that she was skating with a sprained ankle at Worlds. For that reason, a 7th place in Milan, is very respectable given her injury!
I am expecting big things from her this Fall, and if her current practices at TCC are any indication of her season ahead, ...Gabby4gold!
Re Patrick, perhaps another poster can update you, re his most recent activities.
not more to say than thatI can't say that I ever noticed a lack of competitive stress at these events.
They aren't just going for a medal, but for the placement towards the overall ranking in the summer series.
They also need to demonstrate the required elements for the NextGen status and Total Score towards earning or retaining NextGen status.
And they know that monitoring by the talent management team is happening at those events.
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