Raf is a good technician. When Mao was with him she had fully rotated -3T combos. She had the 3A and two 3-3. So Marin is in good hands for her technique. She can stabilize her 3lz-3T and maybe get the 3lz-3lo that she landed a few times in open practice.
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Other Japanese skaters who are as talented as she is work harder than she does, and earned better results than the American skaters this season.
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Yes her work ethic is comparable to that of a US skater's, but that's not good enough if she wants to be competitive with the other Japanese ladies, the Canadians, or the Russians. US skaters shouldn't be the standard since their results have not been the greatest.
I do agree that crying doesn't make her fragile. Even Zhenya cried after her Olympic free skate and she's as tough as they come. People assume that Marin is fragile because of her pretty face and delicate skating style, but in reality she's far tougher as an individual than what they give her credit for.
The perception that Marin is fragile is not only based on the fact that she cries easily. The JWC defeat in Taipei was arguably her 1st real setback, and look at her performance since then. (It's not just being shell-shocked at the time.)
P.S. Zhenya & Alina, for that matter, are tough as nails. And it's not what they say that tells me this. It's how they rebound after setbacks and perform in pressure moments. I think Alina was called lazy by Eteri once, she's now Olympic champion.
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I mean the first thing he said when asked "what's it like to work with her" was "she's a bit lazy" - there's nothing terrible about it, Marin is super young and relies a lot on her natural talent. Sadly, natural talent is not enough, which is why she had poor results this season. I think moving to Raf shows that she's serious and that she's willing to work harder!
Even if he wants to he can't because he's under US laws
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There aren't any Japanese skaters who are as talented as Marin. :roll5:
She folllowed that setback by beating several senior ladies (Mirai, Karen, Kaori, Mariah) at the US Classic, which shows that she can handle setbacks. Just like her comeback at Skate Canada where she went from 10th in the SP to 3rd in the SP.
Her debut year at the GP’s is identical to Satoko’s (along with not making the world team). No one questioned Satoko’s mental toughness for that, but I guess Marin had more pressure because of her previous achievements and the peers who she outperformed—which dispels the idea that Marin can’t compete or handle pressure. She has, which is why the pressure to perform on her are greater. I think it’s way too early to tell whether or not her ability to cope with setbacks is actually a weakness.
I work with corporate coaching and change management and a lot of organizations want to become more resilient and become more capable of dealing with setbacks, but at the same time fail to realize that by embracing the idea that setbacks are an opportunity for growth, they have to leave room to grow and accept that not all processes are linear. Truly growing from setbacks sometimes requires an iterative process where things can continually get worse before they get better.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the case for Marin with this change, but how she deals with it will probably say a lot more than her debut season. I think that by taking this change she’s probably forgoing a lot of economic opportunities in Japan, but it shows she’s serious about putting herself in the right setting to succeed by eliminating distractions.
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I'm honestly surprised so many here think this move is a good idea for Marin. Again, I don't wish her anything bad and hopefully I'm wrong, but... Her skating skills actually regressed this season compared to last, and now she switches to someone who literally said stuff like "one foot skating, two foot skating, where's the difference?" and as far as I remember only has skaters with mediocre SS that haven't improved under him at all. Transitions is also a word he's never heard before I guess. He might be able to help Marin with her jumps, get them rotated and more consistent - but how high are the chances that that will be enough? Japan has several girls who are quite consistent, most of them can land jumps with better quality (and it's not as if any of Rafs skaters had jumps with great quality). And most of these girls are only improving in PCS and seem to be on upward trends. I have to admit I'm not sure where else I would have put her that feels ideal to me, but Raf is very, very, very far down the list. Heck I'd sent Marin to Waka's coach I really want her away from before Raf.
But well, nothing I can do. Good luck Marin and proof me wrong please!
But well, nothing I can do. Good luck Marin and proof me wrong please!
Then, she just overestimated her own talent while others were working a lot harder than she did. She was 7th at Nats.
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I'd say aren't many. Marin is a diamond but Wakabi is also very talented.
That's cuz Satoko is tough and no one ever questioned her work ethic. Having your skills decline and your coach & choreographer call you lazy the next season is not a good look after a major setback.
This is why fans are pissed abt the laziness.
I am surprised of the negative views of Raf as a coach. He’s not perfect but based on actual results, I will say he’s among the top North American coaches of the IJS era. Plus, Marin already has very good SS so it’s not an area to really focus on and to be honest, it’s not even rewarded that much, so Raf isn’t even wrong to say that in a way. Ashley and Adam have both improved A Lot under his guidance. I doubt Ashley would have been much of a contender if she did not go to Raf. He also deserves credit for helping guide Jeffrey Buttle, Mao, and now Nathan to world titles. I think this decision shows Marin is serious about becoming a champion. The move away from Japan can only be good for her due to the media focus on her family. Although I admire the skills of Japanese coaches, they are really not great at promoting their skaters to the judges which plays a factor in PCS. With a well-known foreign coach at her side, it will also help boost her reputation.
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Exactly! Even Mie Hamada herself stated that Marin is her most talented student (more talented than Satoko and Rika).Marin showed a lot of maturity in her first senior season. And her mentality being weak? Please :sarcasm: If you want to talk about someone with a weak mentality, then try it with Rika Kihira. Marin at least delivered when it counted
I'm pretty sure she meant both technical and psychological side.
Marin is quite probably even more talented than great Mao - hopefully she'll be able to achieve as much as her.
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Marin showed a lot of maturity in her first senior season. And her mentality being weak? Please :sarcasm: If you want to talk about someone with a weak mentality, then try it with Rika Kihira. Marin at least delivered when it counted
I mean, she didn't really deliver when it counted? GP assignments, JNats. I don't think she's weak at all, I just think she probably needs someone who pushes her harder, or uses a different method so that she feels more motivated, or delivers better i competition.
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Marin is quite probably even more talented than great Mao - hopefully she'll be able to achieve as much as her.
It's hilarious how you've learnt nothing from last season. Ah well.
Junior world championships? This is more important than GP events and nationals. But yeah, let's ignore the fact that she skated great at the most important competition for juniors, TWICE, so we can say how weak she is bc she wasn't peaking at the beginning of the season
She delivered when it counted, and that's fact
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I think everyone here is talking about her debut season as a senior, not about her achievements in the junior circuit.
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