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Wow!This is serious.
I'm not Evgenia's fan,not either Alina's,but, bor believe it,I need to hear it from Evgenia's mouth.
So,care you give me the link,please?
2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating
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Wow!This is serious.
I'm not Evgenia's fan,not either Alina's,but, bor believe it,I need to hear it from Evgenia's mouth.
So,care you give me the link,please?
There's motivation for Eteri to do this. Alina is the leader of the group now. Getting her on your side is critical. Not sure what the relationships were really like before in Sambo, but Zhenya and Eteri are clearly enemies now considering all that has gone down. (Former friends make the most bitter foes.)
And Sambo definitely will not be the same. (Not saying it will be worse.)
Things always change, it's a part of life.
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Yeah I'd love to hear it from Med's mouth as well but sadly it's just Eteri's words which we will never know if actually Med said so. This is a well-thought move to set Alina against Med. Even if the outsiders do not believe Eteri, if her remaining students believe so, then it's still fine for her I guess. Masterful move. But a smart parent might think: "Today it's Med, next time...???"
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I didn't like what Eteri did.
I didn't like the potential some people show, to defend what Evgenia supposingly said for Alina.
I think Evgenia's leave will be damaging for Eteri's team. She was the locomotive, the pressure to the others will be to much, I'm not sure if they can handle it.
If she goes to Orser there is also the potential of "ladies skating consistence technology leak", most likely that's the upsetting thing for Eteri. If you consider her
comments about not training non Russian skaters.
I think Russian federation will not interfere negatively to Envegia as far as she represents Russia.
I believe if she changes country it will not be for Armenia.
PS. I think the team behind Evgenia is stronger than Eteri.
I didn't like the potential some people show, to defend what Evgenia supposingly said for Alina.
I think Evgenia's leave will be damaging for Eteri's team. She was the locomotive, the pressure to the others will be to much, I'm not sure if they can handle it.
If she goes to Orser there is also the potential of "ladies skating consistence technology leak", most likely that's the upsetting thing for Eteri. If you consider her
comments about not training non Russian skaters.
I think Russian federation will not interfere negatively to Envegia as far as she represents Russia.
I believe if she changes country it will not be for Armenia.
PS. I think the team behind Evgenia is stronger than Eteri.
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I am not sure this if is the right way to get someone by your side. And the training atmosphere..if it changes for the good, great. What I've meant is that I hope Eteri will separate this drama from the training camp, and she will act as she usually does. Probably it's hard, but I guess being a coach is not easy. If she will learn from this experience, and everything will change for the better, that's the best scenario.
I don't think there's any deep secret about producing results that Eteri magically found that nobody else can figure out. Eteri's just in a good environment where Russia is in love w/ FS again and therefore producing a massive amount of talent every yr from which she can pick from. That and she is willing to push her kids further than anyone else.
P.S. Russian coaches do not make it a habit of training "outsiders", at least the ones that are still in Russia. In fact, doesn't the Russian Fed forbid any training of non-Russians w/o special approval during Olympic seasons?
A lot of young 'uns in Eteri's group are fairly close to Zhenya. It'd probably not benefit Eteri if they remain close. What Eteri has accused Zhenya of, if true and not said in the heat of the moment, is as malicious a thing as you can be accused of. If true, it certainly will turn a lot of ppl against Zhenya.
P.S. Ugly breakups are nothing new w/ Eteri. She'd always learn from her experiences, and gotten better at producing results regardless of what ppl think of her approach/methods.
Probably she said, but it was in the heat of the event. We don't need to judge Evgenia nor Eteri....
The best for all parties would be if there weren't any exposure of these things to the public.
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And there already is a precedent. Interesting, actually.
Tursynbaeva in March 2013
Watching that now, I don't think she's ever had a better skate during her 5 years with Orser. She wasn't even as boring artistically under Eteri. So...
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The secret mostly is to do endless runthroughs over and over again. Frankly Japanese ladies this season have been consistent as well. They just simply get less PCS and GOE. Take Mai Mihara for example, her SP was bad but her LP she skated clean whole season. If she were held up a bit, she might have been sent to the Olympic. Kaori Sakamoto has been consistent in general. Also Satoko.
Repeat as much as you can, that's the key.
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I totally agree with you. How I've stated earlier, I don't take anyone's part, because in this kind of situation the both parts have made some mistakes in the past.
I'm not sure what the real reason why Tursynbaeva is no longer w/ Eteri is. She didn't develop? She's not Russian? She got injured? ...
I wouldn't say Orser is a bad coach just cuz of Tursynbaeva just like I wouldn't say Eteri is a bad coach just cuz of Sima.
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The text on viber says nothing because there are other means to communicate aka calls, facebook mess etc... Also she's a professional coach, not a teenager.
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That is a bit of an odd thing to say about Sima. Sima did great with Eteri. The only time she was out of a podium was at Russian senior nationals and she got jr worlds silver(Losing to another Eteri skater). Sima already showed visible improvement in such a short time. In fact, that one season Sima had with Eteri is the best season she has ever had. Still, the reality is that Tursynbaeva regressed with Orser. In fact, judging by that she had the potential for great JGP success just like Proklova, Medvedeva, Sotskova or Sakhanovich, but only had mediocre results throughout.
And well, that's all we have to work with when it comes to Eteri -> Orser coaching changes...
We all know how eteri behave,she was like this before when she and yulia parted ways same with her other students who left her. This is not a surprise behaviour of her she is what she is,its human nature to response when your angry but not everyone is the same. She may get a lot of hate mails but i dont think she would care at all she is a successful coach in russia and every parents there wanted there child to be coach by her.
You don't like that I used Sima? Fine. Pitkeev, Shelepen... You don't like that I used Eteri. Fine.
"I wouldn't say Orser is a bad coach just cuz of Tursynbaeva just like I wouldn't say TAT is a bad coach just cuz of Mao."
This is not my point.
My point is that not every student of a certain coach is representative of the skills of that coach. Despite what you might think, not all of Eteri's students have worked out, cuz they clearly have not.
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On Sima I think that you just were incorrect. As I said, she did great with Eteri. And the reason she left also had nothing to do with her being a bad coach - She had wanted to stay with Eteri but her life situation forced the change.
Pitkeev isn't a girl - Eteri's said that the boys in Russia - Every single boy - Don't have the correct attitude. And I definitely don't think that she's at this point a great coach of male skaters. On Shelepen... Nowhere near such a talent. You can only work with what you have to work with.
On Tursynbaeva, on the other hand, my point was that she's never been as good as she was in early 2013 - She only regressed. Who else - Yuna? Remember that Yuna actually very rarely had clean skates, as successful as she was. Has Orser had any consistent lady?
Sorry for asking that question, I'm kinda new to fs, but what did she told about them?
I think the RusFed didn't allow her to train with Eteri after changing countries. But I know that when she wasn't able to have her visa in time, trained with Eteri for a short time, even though her coach was Orser.
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