2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[atsumiri]

How does it work? I’m new to the sport. But I do believe there has been an interview with someone from Eteri’s team that mentioned they did 10 run thrus a day.

Every day is different. Normally they have 1h15m the ice time twice in a day. There're about 8-10 skaters in one group.
Normally, they do full program runthrou once in a day/practice or twice.
For example, SP in the morning practice and FS at the evening practice. They can do more, if something desn't work.
Most of the times everyone working on the elements, part of programs etc...

 

[serephy]

Do people know when exactly Moscow Open is? I'm wondering if the fed could use it as a secondary verification event for some of the girls.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Do people know when exactly Moscow Open is? I'm wondering if the fed could use it as a secondary verification event for some of the girls.

From AlexRus

Open Moscow Junior Championships - 03-06 Sep 2018, Moscow. Very interesting competition, first in season for a lot of strong Juniors and pre-Juniors. Past season 1st in Lasies was Kostornaina (2nd at JGP Final and JrWorlds), in Pairs Pavluchenko-Khodykin (JrWorlds Champions).

Per this thread
https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?73714-Russian-national-competitions-2018-2019

Not sure if this what your looking for and I can’t open up the Calendar of events provided in that thread.

 

[serephy]

From AlexRus



Per this thread
https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?73714-Russian-national-competitions-2018-2019

Not sure if this what your looking for and I can’t open up the Calendar of events provided in that thread.

Yes that's the one! Thank you!!

So it's after the first 2 JGP and at roughly the same time as the 3rd. I know the Fed probably won't do this but I think it could be a very good option for deciding who the last 2 JGP spots go to.

WARNING: Long post full of my (hopefully not too, too biased) personal opinions and feeling.

To me (just based off test skates) Trusova/Shcherbakova/Kostornaia, are looking good and should keep their spots, Sisnitsyna should definitely be given one, and Tarusina/Kanysheva also have maintained their consistency (which is what got them spots in the first place) so they should probably also be allowed to keep their spots.

This would mean.

(22–25) JGP1: Shcherbakova/Tarusina
(29–01) JGP2: Kostornaya/Sinitsyna (replacing Gubanova who was unable to show her programs)
(05–08) JGP3: Trusova/Kanysheva

- this layout also has the benefit of pairing up very consistent skaters (Tarusina/Kostornaya/Kanysheva) with the skaters who are going for the riskier layouts (Scherbakova/Sinitsyna/Trusova)

Then we would have the Moscow Open on the 3rd-6th which could be treated as a trial stage for the next two spots

The main contenders at Moscow Open would then be (imho),
1. Gubanova (who - for reasons unknown -was unable to skate at test skates),
2. Tarakanova (who was clearly not ready/ was far below her usual level at test skates),
3. Vasilieva (who was cleanish but who needs to prove consistency).

(I honestly think this would be the fairest way to deal with the current situation, it avoids punishing Gubanova for something that may very well be outside of her control and gives her a chance to prove herself. It also gives Tarakanova longer to get ready, gives Vasilieva a chance to prove she is now able to skate clean on more than one occasion, and gives an opportunity to any potential surprises that missed out on an invite to test skates)

The results from Moscow Open would probably be too late to determine assignments for JGP4 given it's in Canada so I would send the two best finishers from JGP1+JGP2 there (for arguments sake lets say this is Shcherbakvoa and Kostornaya).

(12–15) JGP4: Shcherbakova/Kostornaya

Then at JGP5 you could have the best two of Gubanova/Tarakanova/Vasilieva (again lets say this is Gubanova and Tarakanova)

(26–29) JGP5: Gubanova/Tarakanova

JGP6 would be the winner of JGP3 (probably Trusova) and the best ranked of the non gold medals girls from JGP1-3 (let's say Sinitsyna)

(03–06) JGP6: Trusova/Sinitsyna

JGP7 would be the two best ranked of the remaining girls without a second spot (probably the winner of JGP5 and a silver medalist).

(10–13) JGP7: (insert your two favourites here!).

That would give six girls a shot at the JGPF, AND reward the girls who did well at test skates without overly punishing the girls who did not.

 

[moriel]

JGP4: Shcherbakova/Kostornaya would be kinda stupid imho, since both are more than capable of winning gold
while JGP5: Gubanova/Tarakanova may easily lose and give the gold to the japanese girls.

based on test skates, i really dont see the trio Trusova/Shcherbakova/Kostornaia meeting before the final.

 

[serephy]

JGP4: Shcherbakova/Kostornaya would be kinda stupid imho, since both are more than capable of winning gold
while JGP5: Gubanova/Tarakanova may easily lose and give the gold to the japanese girls.

based on test skates, i really dont see the trio Trusova/Shcherbakova/Kostornaia meeting before the final.

It's not ideal but it is just about possible to avoid any of the gold medalists going up against each other. You would have the winner of JGP1 and the best non gold medalist finisher for JGP1+2+3 at JGP4. The winner of JGP2 could then go to JGP5 with one of the girls from Moscow Open and the winner of JGP6 could go to JGP6 with the other girl. JGP7 would then be for the two best ranked girls without a second spot.

ie.

JGP1: Shcherbakova/Tarusina
JGP2: Kostornaya/Sinitsyna
JGP3: Trusova/Kanysheva
JGP4: Shcherbakova/Sinitsyna
JGP5: Kostornaya/Tarakanova
JGP6: Trusova/Gubanova
JGP7: the best ranked of Tarusina, Kanysheva, Tarakanova, Gubanova.

The problem with this layout would be that it risks two of the girls having to go to back to back JGPs (i.e. Kanysheva with both JGP3 and JGP4 if she is the best ranked of the non medalist girls at JGP1+2+3 and Gubanova with JGP6 and JGP7 if she is one of the best ranked girls without a secondary assignment).

 

[alvina9894]

Honestly we would not know for sure who wins JGP1 and JGP2. Lets not forget that Tarusina is way more consistent than Shcherbakova, and Sinitsyna has high BV than Kostornaya.

 

[serephy]

Honestly we would not know for sure who wins JGP1 and JGP2. Lets not forget that Tarusina is way more consistent than Shcherbakova, and Sinitsyna has high BV than Kostornaya.

I knew I would offend someone!! I honestly just picked the two more obvious favourites because I couldn't be bothered to write out Best finisher from JGP1 and Best finisher from JGP2 every time!!

 

[karina17]

Do you guys think Gubanova and Shcherbakova will be allowed to keep their JGP spots? Gubanova for missing the test skates, and Shcherbakova for having a messy FS.

 

[madison]

Off topic, but could someone, please, tell me where I can read the news on the test skates for ice dance? Thank you!

 

[TripleAxelQueens3]

Do you guys think Gubanova and Shcherbakova will be allowed to keep their JGP spots? Gubanova for missing the test skates, and Shcherbakova for having a messy FS.

I don’t know about Gubanova, burn Shcherbakova will definitely keep her JGP spot. She had an amazing SP and a quad lutz. RusFed would be stupid not to send her. She could win a at Bratislava even with a fall on the quad lutz.

 

[NataFoxxy]

Did they think this to be true for the SP? My understanding was that the rules are more strict than people anticipated especially for the SP. That they may have applied to the free skate but maybe not the short program.

And even if they knew it was coming, they probably started with the assumption that they should keep their strategies the same (because they won with them) and that they could rearrange the programs if needed. Based on the interviews with Daniil, he seems to be working on choreography year round. I’d assumed he had programs planned for several months ahead of time, maybe even before the Olympics had finished.

How does it work? I’m new to the sport. But I do believe there has been an interview with someone from Eteri’s team that mentioned they did 10 run thrus a day.

little bit information:

All figure skating federations (from all counties, if they want to make changes to the rules) submit proposal for rules change.
All these proposals documented and published on official ISU website, there is no secret which country made which proposal.
since ISU congress had been scheduled for beginning of June, all proposal have to be submitted at least 3 month before start date.
Some proposals were submitted just 4 weeks before congress and these one were not included in a agenda of ISU congress.
After that , on ISU Congress every proposal will be considered, discussed and delegates will vote, accept or not.
So, all coaches around the world already knew what kind of changes are coming.

As per new rules Figure skaters can execute as many jumps in second half as they want, but:
1. only one jump element will get +10% in SP
2. only 3 jump elements will get +10% in FS.
3. Program has to be well balanced, so, there is no reason to have all jumps in second half.

https://www.isu.org/inside-single-p...ications-fs/17037-isu-communication-2156/file

https://isu.org/docman-documents-li...munications/17142-isu-communication-2168/file

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Yes that's the one! Thank you!!

So it's after the first 2 JGP and at roughly the same time as the 3rd. I know the Fed probably won't do this but I think it could be a very good option for deciding who the last 2 JGP spots go to.

WARNING: Long post full of my (hopefully not too, too biased) personal opinions and feeling.

To me (just based off test skates) Trusova/Shcherbakova/Kostornaia, are looking good and should keep their spots, Sisnitsyna should definitely be given one, and Tarusina/Kanysheva also have maintained their consistency (which is what got them spots in the first place) so they should probably also be allowed to keep their spots.

This would mean.

(22–25) JGP1: Shcherbakova/Tarusina
(29–01) JGP2: Kostornaya/Sinitsyna (replacing Gubanova who was unable to show her programs)
(05–08) JGP3: Trusova/Kanysheva

- this layout also has the benefit of pairing up very consistent skaters (Tarusina/Kostornaya/Kanysheva) with the skaters who are going for the riskier layouts (Scherbakova/Sinitsyna/Trusova)

Then we would have the Moscow Open on the 3rd-6th which could be treated as a trial stage for the next two spots

The main contenders at Moscow Open would then be (imho),
1. Gubanova (who - for reasons unknown -was unable to skate at test skates),
2. Tarakanova (who was clearly not ready/ was far below her usual level at test skates),
3. Vasilieva (who was cleanish but who needs to prove consistency).

(I honestly think this would be the fairest way to deal with the current situation, it avoids punishing Gubanova for something that may very well be outside of her control and gives her a chance to prove herself. It also gives Tarakanova longer to get ready, gives Vasilieva a chance to prove she is now able to skate clean on more than one occasion, and gives an opportunity to any potential surprises that missed out on an invite to test skates)

The results from Moscow Open would probably be too late to determine assignments for JGP4 given it's in Canada so I would send the two best finishers from JGP1+JGP2 there (for arguments sake lets say this is Shcherbakvoa and Kostornaya).

(12–15) JGP4: Shcherbakova/Kostornaya

Then at JGP5 you could have the best two of Gubanova/Tarakanova/Vasilieva (again lets say this is Gubanova and Tarakanova)

(26–29) JGP5: Gubanova/Tarakanova

JGP6 would be the winner of JGP3 (probably Trusova) and the best ranked of the non gold medals girls from JGP1-3 (let's say Sinitsyna)

(03–06) JGP6: Trusova/Sinitsyna

JGP7 would be the two best ranked of the remaining girls without a second spot (probably the winner of JGP5 and a silver medalist).

(10–13) JGP7: (insert your two favourites here!).

That would give six girls a shot at the JGPF, AND reward the girls who did well at test skates without overly punishing the girls who did not.

Please go work for RusFed now

 

[invisiblespiral]

Is the goal of RusFed to maximize skaters going to the JGPF or to maximize the number of people with assignments? (or where on the spectrum of that does it fall?)

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Who knows? RusFed is notoriously unclear... I'm hoping it's the first one -- I'd love an all-Russian JGPF!

 

[halulupu]

Sorry to interrupt your jgp assignment talk, but

Am I correct that trusova, sherbakova and kostornia are eligbible for senior russian nationals? Is Eteri going to send all 3? Imagine alina and evgenia loosing with 20-30 points against trusova and becoming 4th and 5th. OMG

 

[Elana]

Sorry to interrupt your jgp assignment talk, but

Am I correct that trusova, sherbakova and kostornia are eligbible for senior russian nationals? Is Eteri going to send all 3? Imagine alina and evgenia loosing with 20-30 points against trusova and becoming 4th and 5th. OMG

I'm sure they will all compete at senior nats as long as they are able to. But I believe only Sasha could beat Evgenia and Alina, because her tech score, I can't picture the other two beating them as long as they all go clean. Evgenia and Alina are veterans and very strong technically and artistically, some newcomers won't beat them while they are still juniors.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Sorry to interrupt your jgp assignment talk, but

Am I correct that trusova, sherbakova and kostornia are eligbible for senior russian nationals? Is Eteri going to send all 3? Imagine alina and evgenia loosing with 20-30 points against trusova and becoming 4th and 5th. OMG

Yup, they are all eligible. I can't imagine why she wouldn't send them all provided they all qualify (through either JGPF which they all should make (Anna! ) or through senior Russian Cup assignments)
I can definitely see Trusova beating Medvedeva and Zagitova, Shcherbakova only if she's completely clean, and Kostornaya only if she's clean with both the 3A and 3Lz-3Lo

 

[The Queen Of Quads]

Sorry to interrupt your jgp assignment talk, but

Am I correct that trusova, sherbakova and kostornia are eligbible for senior russian nationals? Is Eteri going to send all 3? Imagine alina and evgenia loosing with 20-30 points against trusova and becoming 4th and 5th. OMG

This isn't a joke anymore (after Trusova's Overlord-Style performance, definitely not anymore). Nobody will give Sasha (Alena and Anna too) PCS-61 in Russia. More like 69-70. Alina and Evgenia will win 5-7 points at PCS, but Trusova will win 25-30 points at TEC in FP. Sasha and Alena will definitely add 3A in SP. This is +5 points. Also all Russian juniors have their combinations as a last element in SP (unlike Alina and maybe Engenia, who are afraid to lose combination, so they have it as a first jumping element). This is + 1-2 points. If Trusova skates her multi-Quad performance clean, she will be an Untouchable Winner. Let's now forget about her clean, rotated 4S, which she didn't add (yet).

 

[halulupu]

This isn't a joke anymore (after Trusova's Overlord-Style performance, definitely not anymore). Nobody will give Sasha (Alena and Anna too) PCS-61 in Russia. More like 69-70. Alina and Evgenia will win 5-7 points at PCS, but Trusova will win 25-30 points at TEC in FP. Sasha and Alena will definitely add 3A in SP. This is +5 points. Also all Russian juniors have their combinations as a last element in SP (unlike Alina and maybe Engenia, who are afraid to lose combination, so they have it as a first jumping element). This is + 1-2 points. If Trusova skates her multi-Quad performance clean, she will be an Untouchable Winner. Let's now forget about her clean, rotated 4S, which she didn't add (yet).

I am totally serious. But I can`t imagine eteri letting destroy the repution of her top senior by her own pupils. so maybe she will only send kostornia because she is the oldest and everything will be fine for alina because she will get the olympic PCS and GOE push.