2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[zounger]

She had positive GOEs in both of her lutzes in Autumn Classic, so I don't get why to not do 3 lutzes if she can.

 

[Fluture]

She had positive GOEs in both of her lutzes in Autumn Classic, so I don't get why to not do 3 lutzes if she can.

Well, because the technical panel was very strict at SA. Evgenia normally doesn’t underrotate but if they decide to look on edges more closely... It just would have been safer doing just one 3Lz in the FS. Especially since she seemed to lack confidence a bit at ACI already. Skating her normal layout maybe could have helped her relax a bit more. But if Brian and her think she‘s ready for it, she‘ll probably be. I‘m just a bit worried about her because the judging is really unpredictable and Liza Tuktamysheva and Lil‘Bet are at this event, too, both really well trained and hungry to win this season... But I guess I should just trust Brian and Zhenya and hope that everything works out the way they planned.

 

[atsumiri]

IMO it's kind of not right, not really logical thing to do....
You want to fix something? good! Everyone is working on improving something.
But FIX it first, and then put 3 x 3Lz in programs. but not before you fixed it.

 

[Fluture]

IMO it's kind of not right, not really logical thing to do....
You want to fix something? good! Everyone is working on improving something.
But FIX it first, and then put 3 x 3Lz in programs. but not before you fixed it.

Well, Brian said she already jumps lutz of an outside edge in practice sometimes. I think they just want to get her used to it already, since if they start only next year, it might be too late. And while I would have done it later and not at her first GP event, I do understand the strategy. I‘m just wondering whether the timing is right. And imo, lots of ladies jump three lutz in programs of a wrong or flat edge, she‘s not the only one.

 

[sweetice]

Contenders for the last four are;

Nugamova, Gubanova, Sakhanovich, Tarusina, Vasilieva, Istomina, Leonova, Pogorilaya (Sima is almost certainly out due to her low placements but I'm not sure about the others and if there is anyone else I have missed who could potentially make Nationals.

If the GP spots will stay the same, i think we'll see added Tarusina, Vasilieva, Nugumanova and, maybe, Gubanova, as the last four, but my doubt is that someone like Panenkova can even lose her second GP over someone else, like Sakhanovich, for example.

 

[DenissVFan]

If the GP spots will stay the same, i think we'll see added Tarusina, Vasilieva, Nugumanova and, maybe, Gubanova, as the last four, but my doubt is that someone like Panenkova can even lose her second GP over someone else, like Sakhanovich, for example.

This is not JGP, so they can't lose their spots.

 

[sweetice]

This is not JGP, so they can't lose their spots.

Even if the GP don't work like the JGP, sometimes directly replacement happen. Don't underestimate the fed's influence.

 

[Fluture]

I think I just saw Liza do a 3F in her FS.

 

[DenissVFan]

Even if the GP don't work like the JGP, sometimes directly replacement happen. Don't underestimate the fed's influence.

The Russian fed couldn't ensure a replacement for Radionova at SA, so they would be risking a lot by trying to meddle with the spots, as it's not guaranteed that they would go to other Russian skaters.

 

[lavenderblossom]

The Russian fed couldn't ensure a replacement for Radionova at SA, so they would be risking a lot by trying to meddle with the spots, as it's not guaranteed that they would go to other Russian skaters.

:thumbsup: The skaters are invited by the hosting fed, and if a Russian lady pulls out they're not obligated to invite another Russian lady. They might not want to invite another Russian lady that could potentially be stronger either.

 

[IceBallerina]

Medvedeva tried really hard to hold the outside edge now that I am replaying the lutz. From what I can see, it is a flat edge dancing with an inside edge (if that makes sense). She probably has jumped a real lutz, but I can see how when under pressure she lets that edge wobble.

The double axels look great - wow. Next up is adding more difficult entrances into them and exits. Much more height than original. This for me is her biggest improvement.

Everything else looked the same except for her triple sal. As mentioned in her FF, it was somehow higher and went off axis a bit. She saved it, but it was a bit wild. Perhaps they are really serious about adding a quad sal in the coming years.

 

[sweetice]

The Russian fed couldn't ensure a replacement for Radionova at SA, so they would be risking a lot by trying to meddle with the spots, as it's not guaranteed that they would go to other Russian skaters.

Radionova's withdrawal was too late.

You may see for yourself the later replacement of the previous years, also on wikipedia.

Last season: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%80%932018_ISU_Grand_Prix_of_Figure_Skating

Some were directly and not every one of them happen because of injury.

 

[Shayuki]

Alena Kostornaia wins with Lz! and still no one is outraged.

Well, the difference here is that Alena's is a genuine ! Lutz. Medvedeva's is an e Lutz that gets called as !. There's quite a difference there in my book. The inclusion of one depends on faulty judging, which isn't the case with the other. I have some issues with the sportsmanship involved in including 2 obvious e Lutz and hoping they don't get called.

 

[DenissVFan]

Radionova's withdrawal was too late.

You may see for yourself the later replacement of the previous years, also on wikipedia.

Last season: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%80%932018_ISU_Grand_Prix_of_Figure_Skating

Some were directly and not every one of them happen because of injury.

I know that in Radionova's case it was late but if the Russian fed was really that powerful in this respect, it could've done something, as the withdrawal happened a couple of days before the arrival of most of the skaters. Therefore, I think that if they really wanted to put Serafima somewhere, they would try with SA and use their influence.

I don't see whom they would push over Panenkova, since Serafima is also not incredibly consistent, Anastasia Gulyakova and Anastasiia Gubanova haven't even got a JGP, and Nugymanova has UR problems. Pogorilaya is a wildcard at this point.

 

[Lunalovesskating]

Medvedeva tried really hard to hold the outside edge now that I am replaying the lutz. From what I can see, it is a flat edge dancing with an inside edge (if that makes sense). She probably has jumped a real lutz, but I can see how when under pressure she lets that edge wobble.

The double axels look great - wow. Next up is adding more difficult entrances into them and exits. Much more height than original. This for me is her biggest improvement.

Everything else looked the same except for her triple sal. As mentioned in her FF, it was somehow higher and went off axis a bit. She saved it, but it was a bit wild. Perhaps they are really serious about adding a quad sal in the coming years.

Yeah that Sal made me question if they are already training a quad because usually skaters have problems with their triple at first when they are training a quad. That bigger height and slightly of axis could be signs. Made me excited. Maybe we will see a quad sal at Worlds?

 

[Baron Vladimir]

I‘m okay with 3Lz in SP for upping her technical content and getting used to performing it more in competition. It would also allow her to jump 3F-3Lo later. But she really doesn‘t need two 3Lz in the FS for now, especially not one in combo since the GOE is always measured by the first jump in combination so if she gets a ! or even e (though I don‘t think she‘ll get an e) she would lose a lot of points she could have easily got had she done a 3F-2T-2T. I know Brian and her want to fix the lutz and I strongly support this decision but I‘m not sure whether her first GP event is the right moment for experiments. But we‘ll see. I wish her all the luck and hope everything will be fine and she manages to pull off a win.

Not any more. It is measured by the jump which has the highest BV in the combo. So, for example is she jumps 3Lz-3T with clean edge GOE will be attached to 3Lz, if she jumps with wrong edge or UR, Lz will lost higher BV and T will became the jump attaching GOE.

 

[vorravorra]

Well, the difference here is that Alena's is a genuine ! Lutz. Medvedeva's is an e Lutz that gets called as !. There's quite a difference there in my book. The inclusion of one depends on faulty judging, which isn't the case with the other. I have some issues with the sportsmanship involved in including 2 obvious e Lutz and hoping they don't get called.

I think if it's called in the SP they won't include two in the LP. The skaters are under no obligation to stick to the planned content after all.

 

[moriel]

Radionova's withdrawal was too late.

You may see for yourself the later replacement of the previous years, also on wikipedia.

Last season: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%80%932018_ISU_Grand_Prix_of_Figure_Skating

Some were directly and not every one of them happen because of injury.

Actually, late WD may be a strategy thing.
It makes all sense imho - your skater is going to WD, and its unlikely another russian will be invited. So i see why a fed could want to hold that spot open, if not another skaters from their own, then at least less competition.

 

[IceBallerina]

Yeah that Sal made me question if they are already training a quad because usually skaters have problems with their triple at first when they are training a quad. That bigger height and slightly of axis could be signs. Made me excited. Maybe we will see a quad sal at Worlds?

https://twitter.com/leelona/status/1055510532017528832?s=21 Here is the comparison of her salchow. Honestly I hope she’s not already training a quad salchow because there’s a lot more she needs to work on first before that and I don’t want it to mess up her triple sal.

But we can clearly see how huge the jump was even if she went off axis. A lot of height.

 

[macy]

On another note who do people think will be at Russian Nats

Medvedeva, Zagitova, Tsurskaya, Panenkova, Tuktamysheva, Samodurova, Konstantinova, Sotsokova (locks due to GP)

Radio who will probably go to NHK especially as I don't think she can qualify to Nats otherwise and be a lock

Trusova, Shcherbakova, Tarakanova, Kostornaia (locks due to JGPF qualification)

Gulyakova ( two first place finishes at Russian Cup.

In total that is 14 out of the 18 total spots.

Contenders for the last four are;

Nugamova, Gubanova, Sakhanovich, Tarusina, Vasilieva, Istomina, Leonova, Pogorilaya (Sima is almost certainly out due to her low placements but I'm not sure about the others and if there is anyone else I have missed who could potentially make Nationals.

soooo excited to see how the juniors measure up against the seniors this year, especially with trusova in...a podium sweep is a possibility. i think they plus Med and Zag will be top 5 in any order, maybe even with tiny boss as #1.