2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

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Russia's orginal wondergirl is not having a good season so far. A very bad season rather.

If you know FS history then you know who I'm talking about.

Russia‘s original wondergirl was Lipnitskaya, at least to my mind. And Yulia is having a splendid season as she‘s not even competing anymore.

No idea who you‘re talking about, though.

 

[EdRoz]

When does the Cup of Russia start for the ladies? Are there any streams?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpE-Ano5dKE

A.Sherbakova nr.4

 

[alvina9894]

Russia's original wondergirl = Adelina Sotnikova for sure
The 12-year-old Russian National Champion, the first Russian OGM in Ladies Singles Skating

 

[Azikin]

Scherbakova is an updated prototype of Med, not good news there. One of them will miss out next olympics season.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Anna doesn't flutz

 

[Fancyskates]

Your comments here are the biggest jokes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOzD7vSJkCY

she doesnt has flutz in her combo here, right? She has an inside one before jumping, but in the last second its getting flat
And her flip has FLAT egde as well I dont see any outside egde... Her flip deserves 'e" for sure. It is even worse then flat flutz
BOTH of her jumps , flip and lutz look almost the same...There is no clear an edge there. I dont know how many of you cannot see it and deny it. Seriously?

 

[neusw]

As an outsider, I don't understand who this 'russian Junior girls = flutz' myth is about?

Kanysheva has about the best edge possible.

Trusova = decent.

Shcherbakova/Kostornaia = imho never inside, but (if they do not focus?) sometimes flat and deserved '!'

Am I blind or who am I missing?!

(Some people even write Alina has a wrong edge when at most she is getting close to flat. Like seriously what? So many discussions about Zhenya's lutz that now everybody has a flutz for whatever reason... I am waiting for Tuktamysheva)

Yep, all of this. Somehow Zhenya’s skating characteristics have become conflated with being the general trait of all Russian ladies skating. It’s about as logical as saying every Japanese lady has tiny jumps because Miyahara has tiny jumps. Ummm no. Just no.

 

[VenusHalley]

Russia's original wondergirl = Adelina Sotnikova for sure
The 12-year-old Russian National Champion, the first Russian OGM in Ladies Singles Skating

What about Irina Slutskaya? She lasted much longer than any of them and had a wonderful comeback from an illness. And was the first Russian to get a world medal, wasn't she? And how many Russian ladies went to multiple Olympics?

 

[Vandevska]

Yep, all of this. Somehow Zhenya’s skating characteristics have become conflated with being the general trait of all Russian ladies skating. It’s like saying every Japanese lady has tiny jumps because Miyahara has tiny jumps. Um no.

I think this has something to do with her being on top for a longer time, plus coming from Eteri, plus Eteri having an army, which is doing a huge boom everywhere, so people just assume it.
Of course, some people only choose to see the bad things (if it's even true), and some people choose to see the good things (once again, if it's even true).
I think most people do generalizations.

 

[katymay]

What about Irina Slutskaya? She lasted much longer than any of them and had a wonderful comeback from an illness. And was the first Russian to get a world medal, wasn't she? And how many Russian ladies went to multiple Olympics?

The irony is, if Irina were around today, with the new judging system, she would have won a great deal more. I think she is about the only skater I can think of that didn't lose her jumps over time.

 

[tinybluemoon]

I think its a coaching or detractors way to lump skaters like saying Eteris skaters all prerotate, which is not true at all.
I agree Kanysheva has solid jumps, she has tight air position even on jumps like lutz and her skating skills is one of the best along with Kostornaias
lets hope when she grows she wont have under rotation issues like Sotskova, Panova skaters tend to be taller.

Kanysheva is by far the best non-Eteri junior. I think she gets downplayed a lot simply because she is not from Eteri but she is a very good and brilliantly well rounded skated for her age and is scoring similar to what Sasha and Alena did in their first season. I fully expect to see her on the jnr world podium next season and I think with a bit more training and maturity could very well have a strong and competitive career at seniors in a few years. In an ideal world I would love to see her break 200 at the finals but know that's a big ask but would at least like to see her get close which realistically I think if everything is done clean she could very well swing 198.

 

[tinybluemoon]

Scherbakova is an updated prototype of Med, not good news there. One of them will miss out next olympics season.
It will be interesting next season as the whole russian no.3 switching will be nullified, I'm not counting out Medvedeva yet as Tuk has displayed but she will need
to be consistent next season to compete with Zagitova, Trusova, Kostornaia, Tarakanova, Tuk, Samodurova.

she has to improve or else she's going the Sotskova, Radionova way...

There's a very high chance they will both miss out on the next Olympic season. Them and Alina and Liza and Alena and Sasha and Kamilia etc etc...
Because the Olympics is 4 years away which is entire lifetime in a figure skating career. Anything can and will happen between now and then. Skaters we've never looked twice at could pop up that season and dominate, an old favorite may have it all re-click and reemerge, one of them might fall and break their leg at nationals, one of them might grow a Kardashian booty and lose all their jumps, one of them might decide figure skating actually isn't for them and peruse something else entirely. We don't know so try not to look any further than a season ahead. Making Olympic predictions now is so stupid. Did anybody here have money on Alina being Olympic champion back in 2014? No? no.

 

[malya]

Just saw Kanysheva started backloading all her combos in the FS, now that is some confidence!!

I also like Anna Tarusina's fire... But idk if she can realisticly get a GP next season?

And at NHK we saw Leonova still got it =) For me everybody is very different, some you like more, some less.

#different topic

Can Alena match Liza's 3A today?

 

[Fancyskates]

A flip's supposed to be almost flat, slightly inside. Also, her Lutz isn't "inside" there. With that camera angle, everything looks "inside". If you use a proper camera angle, you notice Anna never goes inside on the Lutz, it might at worst be flat at the last second, which isn't even worth a !(might be -1 GOE). Remember there are three levels of "unclear edge" - e, ! and -1 GOE. And by the way, Anna's Flip is quite different from her Lutz. They don't "look almost the same".


A quad is 3.25 revolutions, by the way. 4Salchow for instance is essentially always this.

No, no this is not the fault of camera angle becasue we SEE clearly her good outside edge before take off.. few seconds before take off she has RIGHT AND GOOD edge - then she changes it. She should keep that edge , right?

And her flip- you wanna tell me that is a good proper flip. Please lets stop bending the rules . Flip is supposed to be almost flat? So tell me , when is is wrong enough to be called E? When the skater is on opposite outside edge? Then it would be a lutz, no skater do lutz instead of flip, please. In a simpler words. Her edge is right in the middle of skate. If it would be slightly on the right, then we would call it ok. But it is not like you claim. Where do you see slightly inside edge there?It is flat
It should be called "e" or "!' for sure

 

[tinybluemoon]

Just saw Kanysheva started backloading all her combos in the FS, now that is some confidence!!

I also like Anna Tarusina's fire... But idk if she can realisticly get a GP next season?

And at NHK we saw Leonova still got it =) For me everybody is very different, some you like more, some less.

#different topic

Can Alena match Liza's 3A today?

Part of me hopes so and part of me hopes she doesn't. For selfish reasons I really like Alena being a non thrills, non gimmicky skater who wins and gets such high scores with such simple and pure skating. It's something that really sets her apart from everyone else on the Russian team but she fell at the last competition so she no longer needs to protect her reputation as a spotlessly clean skater so carefully so she might as well go for it.

 

[macy]

Part of me hopes so and part of me hopes she doesn't. For selfish reasons I really like Alena being a non thrills, non gimmicky skater who wins and gets such high scores with such simple and pure skating. It's something that really sets her apart from everyone else on the Russian team but she fell at the last competition so she no longer needs to protect her reputation as a spotlessly clean skater so carefully so she might as well go for it.

I think if she's confident enough to attempt it while keeping the rest of the jumps clean, it would be worth it. even if she misses it, it would show that the rest of the performance isn't affected. she has nothing to lose here, so if she's going to do it i would think now would be the best time. and if she does land it, that proves she is doing what she can to catch up technically to trusova.

 

[lesnar001]

What about Irina Slutskaya? She lasted much longer than any of them and had a wonderful comeback from an illness. And was the first Russian to get a world medal, wasn't she? And how many Russian ladies went to multiple Olympics?

Maria Butyrskaya also was at 2 Olympics (1998 and 2002).

 

[VenusHalley]

Maria Butyrskaya also was at 2 Olympics (1998 and 2002).

Oh, true... She was an interesting skater with a long career too. So maybe she is the first wonderlady?

 

[tinybluemoon]

I think if she's confident enough to attempt it while keeping the rest of the jumps clean, it would be worth it. even if she misses it, it would show that the rest of the performance isn't affected. she has nothing to lose here, so if she's going to do it i would think now would be the best time. and if she does land it, that proves she is doing what she can to catch up technically to trusova.

I agree. That's why I'm sorta (not really but sorta) glad she fell at Ostrava. They were so focused on keeping her clean and consistent this season. Well that goal is redundant so now she can attempt this without worry. If she hadn't fallen I don't think they would dare have her attempt it. Now they may or may not but (hopefully) not having that fear of falling if you do attempt it must be a relief either way.

 

[Jeanie19]

There's a very high chance they will both miss out on the next Olympic season. Them and Alina and Liza and Alena and Sasha and Kamilia etc etc...
Because the Olympics is 4 years away which is entire lifetime in a figure skating career. Anything can and will happen between now and then. Skaters we've never looked twice at could pop up that season and dominate, an old favorite may have it all re-click and reemerge, one of them might fall and break their leg at nationals, one of them might grow a Kardashian booty and lose all their jumps, one of them might decide figure skating actually isn't for them and peruse something else entirely. We don't know so try not to look any further than a season ahead. Making Olympic predictions now is so stupid. Did anybody here have money on Alina being Olympic champion back in 2014? No? no.

Or even Evgenia for silver.