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Wouldn’t it be nice here in the US to have skaters like Sofia and Gubanova who can put up over 70 realistically in the SP and be on the outside looking in. #Jelly
2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating
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Wouldn’t it be nice here in the US to have skaters like Sofia and Gubanova who can put up over 70 realistically in the SP and be on the outside looking in. #Jelly
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didn't they leave lipnitskaya and sotnikova on national team even though they weren't performing well & skipping nationals? There's also the reserve team. But hopefully it won't happen... she needs a lot of support rn
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What is frustrating about the Medvedeva's case, is that it's not a technique problem or something like that. I was at IDF, I attented the practices and I watched the practices for the Russian Nationals as well, and Evgenia looks really strong. In the practices, she nails all her jumps and do maybe one pop and one fall, but nothing shocking. Actually, I would say she is quite consistent during the practices. I saw that at IDF myself, during the practices.
However, she seems to be struggling with nerves lately, which is in my opinion, something much harder to work on. She knows how to do the elements, she does them perfectly during the practices (her 2A3Lo was just gorgeous) but she just...can't get it together (yet).
Of course, I'm so sad to see her struggling but I'm optimistic. She is a fighter, and I hope she will redeem herself in the free. I don't really care if she makes it to the Europeans and the Worlds or not, I just want her to skate without any worries and pressure. I want her to enjoy herself, and show to everyone out there, than, yes, she can do it. Always rooting for you Zhenya!
However, she seems to be struggling with nerves lately, which is in my opinion, something much harder to work on. She knows how to do the elements, she does them perfectly during the practices (her 2A3Lo was just gorgeous) but she just...can't get it together (yet).
Of course, I'm so sad to see her struggling but I'm optimistic. She is a fighter, and I hope she will redeem herself in the free. I don't really care if she makes it to the Europeans and the Worlds or not, I just want her to skate without any worries and pressure. I want her to enjoy herself, and show to everyone out there, than, yes, she can do it. Always rooting for you Zhenya!
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Well it was pretty much the same situation. Nationals 2017 Medvedeva scored 41,88 + 38,20
and Zagitova 40,88 + 33,38
even when Zagitovas technical content was more difficult.
Now is the difference in PSC between Alina and Alena not even 4 points and comparing to Trusova cca 6 points. So we cannot really complain Alina was overscored . Its just the junior´s path
but but poor juniors
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At least you currently have at least 3 skaters who on a good day can realistically score +70
For us small feds, with some notable exceptions, +60 is a tall order.
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It's a bit sad that Evgenia doesn't get the respect she deserves for her commitment to improving her technique and skating for the long-term. People sometimes forget that it's been barely half a year but we have already seen some noticeable improvements such as in her jump takeoffs and use of the toe-pick, even when these improvements don't always translate into competition. She got the marks for what she put out there today. Glad to see the support at least from the fans that are watching her in the arena and a more upbeat attitude in the KnC. She and her team are investing in a a multi-year plan and understand that patience with change is needed.
Meanwhile, Alina put in a better performance today than some of her past outings this season but the domestic judges are doing her a disservice with these unrealistic, near-perfect high marks. Given there's Nationals inflation, so not shocked that her 3Lz with shallow outside to flat takeoff edge + 3Lo< are getting a row of +3's, nor the sky-high 38.15 PCS for performing this cut and paste program with flailing arms choreography, rushed movements, hunched posture, and barely held landing edges. I mean 9.46 for SS
. The only two times she received such a generous 80+ SP score this season was at Rostelecom and here, both competitions at home. I highly doubt she will be showered with these types of PCS at Euros or Worlds with this type of skating, especially after the international judges have started opening their eyes, as demonstrated at GPF.
Meanwhile, Alina put in a better performance today than some of her past outings this season but the domestic judges are doing her a disservice with these unrealistic, near-perfect high marks. Given there's Nationals inflation, so not shocked that her 3Lz with shallow outside to flat takeoff edge + 3Lo< are getting a row of +3's, nor the sky-high 38.15 PCS for performing this cut and paste program with flailing arms choreography, rushed movements, hunched posture, and barely held landing edges. I mean 9.46 for SS
. The only two times she received such a generous 80+ SP score this season was at Rostelecom and here, both competitions at home. I highly doubt she will be showered with these types of PCS at Euros or Worlds with this type of skating, especially after the international judges have started opening their eyes, as demonstrated at GPF.Honestly I wish Evgenia went back to panto. At least the program was interesting to watch. Seeing her try out these new styles made me realise that Eteri specifically gave her those programs because they suited her the most. Sometimes you just have to admit that some genres will never fit you. The orange colored sky program wasnt that bad but it was obvious that under pressure she couldnt perform it like in IDF.
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Omg I hope I didn't come across this way, I just think that it would be extremely unfair of taking Evgenia over Elizaveta for the national team this season, it might be better like this anyways, bc then Zhenya could just train a bit moreIt's a bit sad that Evgenia doesn't get the respect she deserves for her commitment to improving her technique and skating for the long-term. People sometimes forget that it's been barely half a year but we have already seen some noticeable improvements such as in her jump takeoffs and use of the toe-pick, even when these improvements don't always translate into competition. She got the marks for what she put out there today. Glad to see the support at least from the fans that are watching her in the arena and a more upbeat attitude in the KnC. She and her team are investing in a a multi-year plan and understand that patience with change is needed.
Meanwhile, Alina put in a better performance today than some of her past outings this season but the domestic judges are doing her a disservice with these unrealistic, near-perfect high marks. Given there's Nationals inflation, so not shocked that her 3Lz with shallow outside to flat takeoff edge + 3Lo< are getting a row of +3's, nor the sky-high 38.15 PCS for performing this cut and paste program with flailing arms choreography, rushed movements, hunched posture, and barely held landing edges. I mean 9.46 for SS
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I must agree with this, Alina's PCS was unfair. She was so underscored, I would have given her straight 10's for that performance! She skated like the true queen she is
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Her New programm is amazing . I love it
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I must agree with this, Alina's PCS was unfair. She was so underscored, I would have given her straight 10's for that performance! She skated like the true queen she is
She skated much better than recently, it's true, and I was pleased to see it! Especially a smile from her afterwards. But that being said, I felt her PCS were a bit high. An emotional performance does not mean her transitions and skating skills were inherently better and I think that is a weakness of her POTO program, not anything Alina can necessarily have done better today. I do not feel it is helpful to award 10s today when there is further she can go and better she can do. I look forward to seeing more in the future.
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Honestly, I don't remember there was anyone who changed to a new program after season started and succeeded. No one. People can change back to an old program for strategy, but to change to a new program
Kostner's Ave Maria is one of the best ones ever
But i'll agree the numbers are on your side
Well that´s the way Zhenya choose for herself. Even TAT once said that she sould skip at least the GP season. Orser told as well that it will take two years to have some results with his technique.
Zhenya probably wanted to show she is a top skater regardless where she trains and thought she can at least keep the sames scores that she is used to until she make some improvements under Orser.
Of course in time she already made some improvements with Orser but due to so many changes in her life she still cannot skate her best during the competitions. The people are only comparing her scores with the last seasons what is normal, the competition performance is that what counts. Nobody forced her to attend all these competitions, she could have waited until she is ready. But it´s her choice and maybe this way it will push her further. Even tomorrow she still have a chance to score above Stasya and Sofia and get her ticket to the Worlds.
Good luck for a clean skate!
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Yes, it's her choice, and that was most likely exactly to do what you said: prove some things. She has said that the worst is that people call her a traitor even though she's still representing Russia, so I think in her head not competing (especially after not competing last year in nats and euros) just wasn't an option.
I'm just glad that she can see that she actually has many supporters in Russia too.
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I'm curious to know more about why it takes two years to see improvements. Watching her in training, it's clear that her 2A and 3S are a lot better, and the 3S-3Lo is a new addition. The only thing that seems to have gotten worse is her ability to skate in competition like she does in practice. Is she reverting back to bad habits when she's nervous? Maybe that's the case, seeing that something as easy as a 2A has been giving her problems lately. Or perhaps she isn't training with the same intensity as she was under Eteri? Not being able to make the adjustment to salvage a 2T after the shaky 3F doesn't seem like a mistake that Eteri's skaters make because they are so well trained to adapt to various circumstances. Whatever the problem is, I hope her team gets it figured out because she is still too good a skater to be throwing away points with a 1T and a 2A fall.
Honestly, I don't remember there was anyone who changed to a new program after season started and succeeded. No one. People can change back to an old program for strategy, but to change to a new program
Gilles and Poirier did it last season with their FD. but it generally is pretty uncommon. though in Evgenia's case, I don't know how much of a difference it made since she was having similar issues with the old one. I don't think her problem is so much with the program as it is some sort of mental block.
this is the most common reason, and I believe that's likely what's happening here. She's been doing the old technique for so long that it's like muscle memory, whereas the new one would involve more conscious effort. So it's really easy to slip into the old habits, especially when nervous. When it comes to physical habits, sometimes what ends up happening is a hybrid of the old and new thing, which rarely ends well.
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