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2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

Well, Alena does have a pretty low base value of triples. She only does 3S+3T and 3F+3T and 3Lz+2T+2T in the beginning. I don’t understand why. She can clearly do 3Lz+3T. I’d swap that for the 3 jump combo or at least do 3Lz+2T+2Lo

There would be no advantage to doing a 3Lz+3T to the 3F+3T. She's already doing two 3Ts, so she couldn't just add another one in, and if she did switch it from the flip to the lutz, it wouldn't increase the BV since there is no reward for adding combinations onto harder jumps. adding the 2Lo instead of the 2T could help a tiny bit, but maybe they don't consider that worth the risk. Her real problem is that she repeats the flip and the toe unlike some who repeat the flip and the lutz. However, I just saw a video of her a couple years ago doing a +eu+3S combo. If she could add this in (or a +3Lo combo) , she could construct a routine in which she repeats the flip and the lutz. But maybe she hasn't been able to get combos other than +3T combos consistent, and as long as thats the case, she's going to have to repeat the 3T, resulting in a lowered BV.
 
There would be no advantage to doing a 3Lz+3T to the 3F+3T. She's already doing two 3Ts, so she couldn't just add another one in, and if she did switch it from the flip to the lutz, it wouldn't increase the BV since there is no reward for adding combinations onto harder jumps. adding the 2Lo instead of the 2T could help a tiny bit, but maybe they don't consider that worth the risk. Her real problem is that she repeats the flip and the toe unlike some who repeat the flip and the lutz. However, I just saw a video of her a couple years ago doing a +eu+3S combo. If she could add this in (or a +3Lo combo) , she could construct a routine in which she repeats the flip and the lutz. But maybe she hasn't been able to get combos other than +3T combos consistent, and as long as thats the case, she's going to have to repeat the 3T, resulting in a lowered BV.

Sorry, I meant do a 3Lz+3T instead of 3S+3T or 3F+3T.
 
Sorry, I meant do a 3Lz+3T instead of 3S+3T or 3F+3T.

In the past she has gotten unclear edges on the lutz. Not so much this year, but that is likely why they stay away from repeating the lutz. She has a very similar layout to what zhenya used to skate to for the same reason, but since she hasn’t really been called on it this year they should consider repeating it next year. However, her 3F gets such astronomical GOE that it may not be worth it unless she repeats both the lutz and flip (i.e. get a loop combo)
 
Yeah the camera work was really bad. Congrats to the girls, and I'd like to just take a moment and savour it while everyone is cheering for all of them, before the bloodbath and drama or being a senior begins. This week was probably the most exciting one ever. I don't wanna go home.

You have a one more day of pleasure :). The gala exibition is shedulled today at 14:00 till 16:00 GMT.
For us, who are not in Zagreb, there should be a live stream at youtube (at least Channel One) and eurovisionsports.tv (and maybe other sources).
 
So apparently Sasha’s going to train 3A and 4Lo. If she succeeds she will really be able to compete with the men, and she will be unbeatable in TES in ladies.

- The next quad will be the 4F. And I'm aware I need the Axel too.
From Sasha's month+ ago interview. And she means the triple Axel, not the death warrant quad.

4Lo was the last quad done till today by men. It relatively rare guest in Majors. Apparently considered too risky.
 
I gotta say it is obvious the current up-and-coming generation of Rus ladies are the strongest Russia ever had. Trusova, Kostornaya, Shcherbakova, Kanysheva, Synitsyna, Tarusina, Panenkova and Tarakanova at their current age are stronger and more talented than Sotnikova, Lipnitskaya, Tuktamysheva, Medvedeva, Zagitova, Radionova, Ngumanova and Gubanova were at the same age of 14-15.

I think Zagitova is the current generation of russian ladies with Trusova, Kostornaya, Shcherbakova. And I don't agree at all that Kanysheva, Synitsyna, Tarusina, Panenkova and Tarakanova are stronger and more talented than Zagitova at the age of 14-15. :eeking: Zagitova jumped all the jumps in the second half at the age of 14-15 with 3Lz-3Lo.
 
Anna’s layback was pretty bad today, in her standards at least. Anna’s spins have more speed and better positions that’s sasha in my opinion, but Sasha’s centering and speed in her layback is superb.

Anna’s sit spin traveled a bit and she debalanced at the end of bailman position. The sit spin she has to work on it, next season this points will start matter.
 
Wow next season is going to be major.
I feel like Alina will thrive when competing with the 3a‘s as seniors..

The whole skating world has been agog at Alina this year for what she has been achieving without let in the year following Olympic Gold, something almost unheard of among Olympic champions. She has continued to train rigorously with unflagging dedication and discipline, at the same time balancing her inevitable OGM commitments and handling the attention and adulation she receives wherever she goes with equanimity, generosity and her ever-present humility.

I agree with you. Next year Alina will have the added benefit of a loving synergy among her rivals for honours, for many of whom she has been their role model these past two years.
 
The whole skating world has been agog at Alina this year for what she has been achieving without let in the year following Olympic Gold, something almost unheard of among Olympic champions. She has continued to train rigorously with unflagging dedication and discipline, at the same time balancing her inevitable OGM commitments and handling the attention and adulation she receives wherever she goes with equanimity, generosity and her ever-present humility.

I agree with you. Next year Alina will have the added benefit of a loving synergy among her rivals for honours, for many of whom she has been their role model these past two years.

She’s so admirable.
 
I think Zagitova is the current generation of russian ladies with Trusova, Kostornaya, Shcherbakova. And I don't agree at all that Kanysheva, Synitsyna, Tarusina, Panenkova and Tarakanova are stronger and more talented than Zagitova at the age of 14-15. :eeking: Zagitova jumped all the jumps in the second half at the age of 14-15 with 3Lz-3Lo.

Well, we can't really know how Tarakanova would have managed backloading a program because the rules changed this season. I do think that Anastasia is far more talented than the last quad girls who are currently seniors. She has a superb quality of jumps, height and running edges coming out of them. Yes, she still struggles with some of the combos but the improving after moving ot Pluschenko is very visible. She's also experimenting with 3A/4T/difficult combos at trainings and it doesn't look like it's completely impossible for her to bring those to success. I don't even want to comment on her skating skills, which in my opinion are on par with Kostornaia's. She's just been massively overseen by fans because she's not the typical lyrical skater. Also, not to mention her own Federation who pathologically tends to underscore her....:noshake:
 
As in Kostornaya? Her SB is pretty high up (7th in the world and 5th in Russia), so she should be able to get two spots with no issue.

Yes, I meant Kostornaya. So it doesn't matter that she didn't go to JW? Aren't the countries limited in how many spots they get at the GP? There are a lot of promising Ladies next season!
 
What do you think the chances of a Russian podium sweep are now that Alena is out of the picture and Ksenia's in?


:points:

Even in the absence of the world's third-strongest skater, a Russia clean sweep was only missed by a mere couple of points.


Ksenia did fantastically well to achieve her 4th place. A gigantic boost to her for next season and also to Svetlana Panova and Tatyana Moiseyeva and the added excitement and encouragement for her Snowleopard stablemates.
 
Alysa Liu (not Ting Cui :laugh:) had a livestream today and when she was asked which figure skaters she looked up to, she said Sasha, Anna and Alyona. And I think that’s adorable.

A year ago, before she was a 'thing'-after junior ladies I think, they asked her the same question and she said she wanted to be like Trusova. This year I saw her on a late night show and she switched it to Kwan. (assuming her agent or her father made her do that,).
 
BTW, Sasha is getting better in her PCS too. Despite her previous coach's controversial statement about how "wooden" Sasha is, any regular figure skating fan can see the difference - just find Trusova's previous programs under that big-mouth Vokov and compare those with current programs now under Dudakov's jumping technique and Eteri's and Daniil's choreography taste. I wonder what that grape-sour coach can tell about "wooden" Sasha? Aleksadnra Vyacheslavovna Trusova - 2-time World Jr champion. Someone get Volkov on the microphone please. :devil:

Well, technically that‘s not a very controversial statement. The interview itself was controversial and sounded a lot like sour grapes but this statement is not. Sasha IS a stiff skater, wooden, if you will. Compare her to Alena and Anna, how they move their bodies to the music. She doesn‘t, she skates right through it. So, yes, in that point, I‘d say her old coach was right.

What‘s admirable is, that she became two time Junior Worlds champion despite that, mainly because Eteri found a way for her to compensate her weaknesses by giving her such big advantages over her rivals that what she was bad at didn‘t matter. Let‘s imagine Sasha, Anna and Alena without quads. Alena and Anna would beat her 99% of the time when all three were clean. But now that she has these quads, it‘s a totally different story. Which is just Eteri‘s strategy. Like her or not, she is a mastermind at maximising points. We saw it in the past, we see it now with Tursynbaeva and Sasha and the others.

I have watched Sasha‘s previous programs. Her new programs are better and clearly more suited to her. In her presentation, however, I found a natural evolution of her just getting older and more confident. I think, presentation wise, we can see the biggest differences in Alena. (Which i know many won‘t agree with) She‘s always been a big talent but she‘s really started to shine under Eteri. Her presentation has gradually improved and again, she has programs that play to her strengths. But if we look at Alena from last year and Alena from this year, I‘d say there‘s a big difference in confidence, maturity and interpretation of the music. Sasha not so much. She‘s better than she was three years ago, obviously, but she still skates through the music which is especially obvious in her FS. Her SP is better in that aspect. Sasha is not an artist like Anna and Alena are, she is a performer. She doesn‘t feel the music, what she wants to do is show jumps and impress the spectators with her cool tricks. That‘s okay, then give her programs that do exactly that, like her SP, which is brilliant in that aspect and one of my favorites this season. I hope they can find similar programs like this for her senior debut.

What Sasha‘s improved in most, though, are her spins. She still isn’t the most flexible but compared to last year she has a lot more speed and centering. It‘s very visible. I‘d say, her spins are at the moment, on par if not better than Anna‘s. She might not have the most exciting positions like Anna does (and her illusion really needs some work) but Anna travels a lot, which I haven‘t seen Sasha do all season long.
 
Main goal for the next season: not to let TAT and co. make a big drama between the 3A as she did with Alina and Zhenya. We have to protect them at all cost! :biggrin::dev2:
 
Well, we can't really know how Tarakanova would have managed backloading a program because the rules changed this season. I do think that Anastasia is far more talented than the last quad girls who are currently seniors. She has a superb quality of jumps, height and running edges coming out of them. Yes, she still struggles with some of the combos but the improving after moving ot Pluschenko is very visible. She's also experimenting with 3A/4T/difficult combos at trainings and it doesn't look like it's completely impossible for her to bring those to success. I don't even want to comment on her skating skills, which in my opinion are on par with Kostornaia's. She's just been massively overseen by fans because she's not the typical lyrical skater. Also, not to mention her own Federation who pathologically tends to underscore her....:noshake:

I believe Tarakanova needs to be consistent at first and everything will come.. I remember Alexander Kogan he applauded after Nastya free skating performance at Rus Nat...
 
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