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2018-19 U.S. Ladies' figure skating

Re: the men's thread



(Oddly enough, I haven't really seen any of these arguments over the latest up-and-coming talents like Camden/Alexei/Torgashev/Tomoki. But fans of Nathan and Vincent specifically seem to be at odds with fans of Max and Jason.)

They are young still... sadly I think the gloves wills start coming off soon.
 
.... That said Alysa doesn’t seem to mind being in the limelight and seems to embrace her jumping talent ...

As a fan of Alysa, I will add that she is super-active on Instagram (and perhaps other social media) -- so comments and videos offered directly by Alysa are partly why she has been the focus of so much attention.

FWIW, happy to say that some of her recent comments on Instagram story suggest to me that she is quite level-headed and is not getting ahead of herself:

Someone asked her about her goal(s) for this season, and IIRC, her reply was top ten at Nationals as a senior lady. (Not a direct quote, but that was the gist.)

In response to a question about when she will be going to the Olympics, she said something along the lines of (I'm paraphrasing) that the Olympics do not get handed to you on a platter … and that she hoped for 2022.

Reasonable answers in both cases, IMO.​

ETA (on Jul 18):
Occurs to me that I do not recall for sure the year of the future Olympics to which Alysa said she aspired. I think she said 2022 … but maybe she said 2026(?).​

ETA (on Jul 20):
Belatedly am seeing that Lynn Rutherford reported from the Ice Dreams show a week ago that both Alysa and Starr have the Nats podium as a goal this season.
Which is different from what I recall seeing in Alysa's Instagram story. At this point, I am not sure what to think.​


… The performances I would like to see from the Broadmoor Open are Emmanuel Savary's. He finished ahead of Torgashev & Dolensky in the combined event, and it looks as though his SP especially went well; but I haven't heard anything about it being posted. Maybe copyright issues? And the only video I can find of his free has no sound.

:agree: Off topic for this thread, but yes, Savary is of high interest for me too.

(Along with many other enjoyable/worthy U.S. men. :ghug:
Max :luv17: was/is in a league of his own as my all-time favorite, but I easily have at least ten other favorites among U.S. men who still are competing.)
 
As always, other folks do a much better job explaining me than me:laugh:Thanks!:clap:

But to be clear:

1. Believe it or not, I understand different strokes for different folks. As an old joke once went, ”Grandpa once said to me, we can’t all like the same thing, if we did everyone would be after your grandma”. I obviously do not prize jumps qua jumps, but others might. And if that’s what you want to watch, I think that’s great. Truly. This has nothing to do with the type of skater I enjoy watching.
So what I disagree with is not “I loooovee Alysia’s jumps”. Fine and dandy. That’s cool:cool14:

2. What I disagree with is using her jumping skills to “shame” older skaters. “Look out world, and you old ladies who can’t do anything, here she comes, and won’t you be sorry”
No, just no :dev2:

And the comments on the men’s thread probably have influenced me, in that I find *any* “Look out you old washed up has-been, here comes a skater with jumps that haven’t even been invented yet. Stand aside.”
No just no:dev2:

3. I also disagree with using that same tone to uphold a 12 year old as a world beater, the hope of US ladies’ figure skating, she who will leave all others in the dust and out of the Kwanless desert. She is 12. Twelve.

No just no:dev2: can she at least be eligible to compete as a senior internationally before we put undue pressure on the poor girl?

That is all:biggrin:
 
Re: the men's thread

As an "outsider" to that thread who doesn't follow the US men as closely as I follow the women (though I do a decent job on keeping up with the thread) here's my perspective on what I've seen as the recurring argument over the past 2-3 years:

Person A: Oh wow I am so excited about Nathan/Vincent's quad lutz! Can't wait to see him on the Worlds team.
Person B: HOW DARE YOU ASSUME THAT NATHAN/VINCENT WILL BE ON THE WORLDS TEAM??? WHAT ABOUT MAX/JASON???? MAX/JASON IS THE REASON WE HAVE THREE SPOTS.
Person A: WELL JASON DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A QUAD/MAX DOESN'T HAVE ARTISTRY OR ENOUGH QUADS SO YOU'RE DELUSIONAL
Person B: THERE'S MORE TO THE SPORT THAN QUADS/MAX DOES HAVE ARTISTRY/IF YOU CARE ABOUT QUADS YOU'RE PART OF WHAT IS RUINING THE SPORT/YOU NEED TO APPRECIATE THE VETERANS
Person A: I DON'T WANT TO BC I LIKE NATHAN/VINCENT

(Oddly enough, I haven't really seen any of these arguments over the latest up-and-coming talents like Camden/Alexei/Torgashev/Tomoki. But fans of Nathan and Vincent specifically seem to be at odds with fans of Max and Jason.)

Yeah, I didn’t go into detail because this is the ladies thread. My point really was that being excited about a skater you like is fine; saying that someone is stupid if they don’t agree with you or putting other skaters down isn’t.
 
Really? I think this is wonderful music to skate to. You have use the phrasing to highlight your jumps instead of just relying on the BOOMs to hit your jumps. Of course this takes someone with some level of musical sophistication. This is perfect for Starr.

I think I like it more for dance than singles. It’s very smooth and expressive. But jumps have a staccato feeling that interrupt the flow. They need to melt into the piece.
 
2019 Nationals will be my first figure skating competition!!!! If I only wanted to attend the ladies and ice dance events, how much $$ am I looking at? $200 ? $250 ? More?
 
We are getting assignments!

http://www.usfsa.org/story?id=84032&menu=TeamUSA

Asian Open will have

Indi Cha (adv. novice)
Alysa Liu (adv. novice)
Ellen Slavicek (adv. novice)
Gabriella Izzo (junior)
Ashley Lin (junior)
Starr Andrews (senior)

Can't say I know all the names... new people to watch!

Will we see a successful 3A???

YAY INDI!! She is seriously so polished and so promising. I hope she performs well here!! Ofc also great to see Alysa and Starr.
 
YAY INDI!! She is seriously so polished and so promising. I hope she performs well here!! Ofc also great to see Alysa and Starr.

Indi won Intermediate Nationals last year.

The first of 3 NA Series stops was last weekend at Skate Milwaukee. Six of last year's Intermediate ladies from Nationals were invited to participate. Based on the posted results, Indi came in 4th of the US ladies. Anyone know what happened there?
I was actually surprised that Indi got this assignment - I would have thought that one of the others who finished higher last weekend would have gotten the spot.
 
We are getting assignments!

http://www.usfsa.org/story?id=84032&menu=TeamUSA

Asian Open will have

Indi Cha (adv. novice)
Alysa Liu (adv. novice)
Ellen Slavicek (adv. novice)
Gabriella Izzo (junior)
Ashley Lin (junior)
Starr Andrews (senior)

Can't say I know all the names... new people to watch!

Will we see a successful 3A???

Very smart of USFS to send both Ashley Lin and Gabrielle Izzo to Asian Open. Ashley can start prepping for her junior program early and Gabriella can get her feet wet.
 
Indi won Intermediate Nationals last year.

The first of 3 NA Series stops was last weekend at Skate Milwaukee. Six of last year's Intermediate ladies from Nationals were invited to participate. Based on the posted results, Indi came in 4th of the US ladies. Anyone know what happened there?
I was actually surprised that Indi got this assignment - I would have thought that one of the others who finished higher last weekend would have gotten the spot.

I don't know what she did at NA challenge but I know it wasn't her best skates. I assume she was granted the opportunity because of nationals.
 
I don't know what she did at NA challenge but I know it wasn't her best skates. I assume she was granted the opportunity because of nationals.

That was my assumption as well.

When I saw all of the US ladies scores, they all looked low (20+ points lower than their other summer competition scores). My thought was a lot of triples were called for under-rotations. But no protocols were posted so that is my guess.
 
That was my assumption as well.

When I saw all of the US ladies scores, they all looked low (20+ points lower than their other summer competition scores). My thought was a lot of triples were called for under-rotations. But no protocols were posted so that is my guess.

Rules for novice in the US is different for international novice. We have a bonus system that gives extra points for doing triples and more for triple triples. We also have the 2nd half bonus, which international novice does not. It’s no surprising the scores dips so much.
 
I think it is nice that they are sending three advanced novice ladies to the Asian Open. Last year, they sent only Alysa. USFS must have decided it was beneficial. (I would agree). Japan & Korea have been sending some pretty top young athletes. And nice to see these young athletes getting international feedback early in the season when they still have time to work on their programs.
 
Rules for novice in the US is different for international novice. We have a bonus system that gives extra points for doing triples and more for triple triples. We also have the 2nd half bonus, which international novice does not. It’s no surprising the scores dips so much.

That makes complete sense! Thank you.
 
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