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2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
- Thread starter Spirals for Miles
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I think, that's the spirit that Eteri promotes. Unexpected meltdowns aside Alena and Alina win 1 and 2 in France. Then whoever is second will be OK with the third at NHK because there will be no one better than 2+3. I assume that Anna wins in China. Even if we have some exotic scenario like: Liza, Young, Anna 2+3 will be enough if the combined score of either Alena or Alina is higher than that of Young - should not be a problem. In fact, 5 Russians + Rika/Young final is still possible:
One scenario.
France: 1. Alina, 2. Alena
Russia: 1. Sasha
China: 1. Liza 2. or 3. Anna
Japan 1.Alina/Alena 2. Alina/Alena/Rika 3. Whoever won in France
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If they both score above/around 230 at both events they will likely win every tiebreaker scenario even with a 2+3. As long as both skate at or near their best this shouldn’t be a problem. Young and Liza especially scored too low at their first events to make up this deficit to beat them in tiebreakers.
This of course assumes everyone skates their best. If not, who knows.
This of course assumes everyone skates their best. If not, who knows.
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Yep, this is a narrative that's been pushed down our throats for years, from multiple angles. That Alina's retiring soon, that she's done, that she was just a one season wonder etc. etc. even though it obviously is already proven to have been untrue.
If there's any -actual- propaganda going on, it's the anti-Eteri propaganda.
Something I'm wondering is what's actually required for qualifying for GPF. I wonder if #2 and #3 spots would even be enough, or if you need a #2 and #2.
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At least in the US, Trusova's skate is geoblocked (and also not published by NBC) whereas Anna's is not. It'd be interesting to see the view count if US fans could watch Sasha too!
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[email protected] right. You don't have to reinvent the wheel to win in France.
Alena and Alina already have a huge advantage in authority among all who will be there. Maybe they have the best 4 programs this season. They have no rivals there. 3A is not needed even in FS. Alena only needs to smile once more. Error-free skating and everyone else will be extras. Kaori will take 3rd place.
For Japan, there will be a separate strategy based on the results and condition of each girl. If anyone gets in trouble in France Eteri will use a new secret weapon. She's very secretive this season.
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Are you sure? It says Anna's free skate is geo blocked in USA on Youtube region checker. This service has been money for me for helping me determine which proxy to use to view videos.
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It has been annoying me that the videos from Skate Canada have been blocked in the US. To watch Zhenya’s program, I had to watch it through instagram!! I hope GP France won’t have copyright issues too
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Counts are not always accurate due to many reasons. I’m certain you’re aware of that.
NBC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b14ImjKCf6Y
ISU: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGCgJlDbZ4M
1TV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TccbJD8XXY
And there were a couple uploads I remember... one with 350k views and another with 100k views. It's probably been viewed about 2 million times on youtube and then her dress transition gone viral on both twitter, another site, and imgur and that was probably saw by another million people.
The problem with for the one getting 2+3 at NHK is that the first tiebrreaker isnt total score but highest placement. So a 1+4 beats a 2+3 regardless of scores. If Anna wins in China (and Sacha at Rostelecom) like I expect her (/them) to there is no problem but if she where to struggle and place 3rd/4th she would still be in the final while opening up for others to get higher than 2+3.
But that being said my prediction for GPF is still going to be 4A + Rika + Lisa T/YY.
I think Eteri sees it as her goal to make each of her skaters score their maximum at each given comp regardless of how it affects other skaters, including her own. She would never willingly hold back one for the benefit of another. Even if it in my opinion would be smartest (if the main goal to get everyone in the GPF) to make sure that the one who is second at IdF beats the other at NHK
That pretty much sums up my thoughts too. But I have a feeling that Miyahara could be a factor. She might be the one who really shakes things up.
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https://youtu.be/Fjr78-7vcEM
A pre GP clip about Aliona from 1Tv. From the beginning you'd think she is a new horse riding sensation, not a figure skater
A pre GP clip about Aliona from 1Tv. From the beginning you'd think she is a new horse riding sensation, not a figure skater
One of the problems with measuring popularity based on YT views (or other platforms) is that there will allways be more than one video showing the skates both on YT and other platforms as well as some of them being geoblocked for certain regions. Unless you can find all videos of every skater at one event and make sure that all of them have the exaxt same geoblocks one cant get an accurate measure of how many people have watched a certain skater.
For example for one comp I might watch one group live in the stream another skater (that I for some reason couldnt see live) uploaded to instagram and a third on youtube. But if you watch views on YT alone you will only see me watching only the third skater and not the first two and it will tell you nothing of my preference.
there might also be that for one skater there is only the isu uploded video versus another skater that has 10 videos. Comparing then only the isu videos are unfair since many skaters may have watched the second skater in any of the 9 other videos. But at the same time it is also unfair to compare total amount of views since skater two has 9 more videos that YT can suggest to people and therefore get more exposure.
In gennerall I would say that the comcept of popularity is pretty useless since it is fickle, everchanging and hard to define in any meningfull way. It can and will be vary in diffent places for different age groups and every other categorization of people you can come up with. It may matter in terms of marketability for sponsor but then views on YT is far to generall to be of any use anyway.
I am a nerd and therefore likes data but we must be carefull not to read to much in to it and I dont like it when people use it to put one skater down in comparison to another.
For example for one comp I might watch one group live in the stream another skater (that I for some reason couldnt see live) uploaded to instagram and a third on youtube. But if you watch views on YT alone you will only see me watching only the third skater and not the first two and it will tell you nothing of my preference.
there might also be that for one skater there is only the isu uploded video versus another skater that has 10 videos. Comparing then only the isu videos are unfair since many skaters may have watched the second skater in any of the 9 other videos. But at the same time it is also unfair to compare total amount of views since skater two has 9 more videos that YT can suggest to people and therefore get more exposure.
In gennerall I would say that the comcept of popularity is pretty useless since it is fickle, everchanging and hard to define in any meningfull way. It can and will be vary in diffent places for different age groups and every other categorization of people you can come up with. It may matter in terms of marketability for sponsor but then views on YT is far to generall to be of any use anyway.
I am a nerd and therefore likes data but we must be carefull not to read to much in to it and I dont like it when people use it to put one skater down in comparison to another.
I would say it depends mainly on how her jumps get called. We know she has a tendency to UR and she would need to beat at least one of Anna, Lisa, YY in China as well as Medvedeva at Rostelecom to have a chance which I think will be hard unless the TP leaves her jumps alone. Bell also have an outside chance if she gets 3rd at IdF and beats Medvedeva at Rostelecom
https://youtu.be/Fjr78-7vcEM
A pre GP clip about Aliona from 1Tv. From the beginning you'd think she is a new horse riding sensation, not a figure skater
Could some kind soul provide a translation for us?
horses ? i hope her career doesn't turn into a Yulia.
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I don't see what's wrong with Alyona liking horses. She said after test skates that horseback riding is a hobby she enjoys during her time off, but skating is her career.
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the view account for Sasha's historic skate would be off the charts.
What's a disgrace that Sasha's historic skate is blocked by NBC. Lol at them. Way to grow the sport guys.
