2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[flanker]

as many here I am disappointed with Liza's planned layout. However, I think she is playing the long-term game. She probably knows chances to have a clean more complicated layout are very slim. So this year she will lose anyway. The goal is Olympics. So she shows them all: look I have a quad, my puberty long gone, give me 1-2years and I will complicate my program for O.
She actually is fighting against zhenya for an Olympic place on the team. With a little bit of luck one or two of the 3a are in the middle of puberty at the O season. For zhenya to land a quad is not very realistic, even correct lutz edge is not in sight. Valieva looks like she will grow quite a bit. For zagitova to come back is very unrealistic. The other two junior eteris are not that promising/talented as 3A. But liza will be there, reliable with quad and 3a. She will get the place on the olympic national team and get a medal at O. Mission accomplished[emoji6]

You just wrote some 15 (14 without Nastya Tarakanova) competitors of RusNats off. But they are there, most of them much weaker than Alina. So, how exactly is her comeback unrealistic when Alina is able to defeat anyone of those 15 ladies who are still competing.

 

[Supernovaimplosion]

Aren't Edea skates known for being easy to break in though? I'm not a skater but I've heard that's a huge advantage of them.

 

[Lunalovesskating]

Aren't Edea skates known for being easy to break in though? I'm not a skater but I've heard that's a huge advantage of them.

Even Edeas take a few weeks and not one day to break into. She is also skating in a different model, so I wonder how comfortable that is to skate in Ice Flys (they look like them, or could be Risports) when she skated in Edea Pianos her whole career
https://twitter.com/MedvedevaNation/status/1210205478560706566?s=19

 

[Scott512]

I though of the same thing. Perhaps the other boots have already been broken into to an extent and aren’t fresh from the box?

Possibly.

Definitely no connoisseur hehe!

The alcohol is for nerves and dealing with negativity lol

the fans are more nervous then the girls performing the performances of their lifetime. I hope you're unique medication help settle your nerves.

You just wrote some 15 (14 without nastya Tarakanova) competitors of RusNats off. But they are there most of them much weaker than Alina. So, how exactly is her comeback unrealistic when Alina is able to defeat anyone of those 15 ladies who are still competing.

Alina if she comes back next fall as I expect she will to True competition I think she'll be on the Russian B team to start and then have a real chance to move back to the A-Team. The question is will she want to lose those six or seven pounds to be able to do quads and triple axels? I have my doubts and I would not blame her if she did not do that. Nor would I blame her if she did not come back to competition. But because Alina is so young I think she will return.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

Alina if she comes back next fall as I expect she will to True competition I think she'll be on the Russian B team to start and then have a real chance to move back to the A-Team. The question is will she want to lose those six or seven pounds to be able to do quads and triple axels? I have my doubts and I would not blame her if she did not do that. Nor would I blame her if she did not come back to competition. But because Alina is so young I think she will return.

I don't think it's a matter of losing weight. She can do that now. I've never seen her do a 3A or quad outside a harness, so I think it would be hard to master something like that at this point in her career.

 

[halulupu]

You just wrote some 15 (14 without Nastya Tarakanova) competitors of RusNats off. But they are there, most of them much weaker than Alina. So, how exactly is her comeback unrealistic when Alina is able to defeat anyone of those 15 ladies who are still competing.

I am quoting tarasova the most legendary figure skating coach til eteri the great appeared. But even if she attampes a comback, liza with a quad and a clever layout will beat her

And by the way my post was about liza not alina. So peace and cake

 

[Lechat]

At least at the moment this new juniors don't have multiple quads. And they don't seem as talented as the current eteris aka 3As (besides valieva, who most likely will grow. She looks very similar to teen rodionova). My point though is that chances to get in the O team are higher and more realistic for liza than medal at this nationals from todays point of view

Alina was a late bloomer, she wasn’t successful as a junior except for her last year. Valieva will get used to land quads when she will become a senior. I don’t want to predict for the next olympics but if things keep going the futur olympic champion will be a girl who can land multiple quads and maybe 3A with a huge amont of stamina.

Except for the 3A among the seniors, I can’t see who will be able to do it.

 

[halulupu]

Alina was a late bloomer, she wasn’t successful as a junior except for her last year. Valieva will get used to land quads when she will become a senior. I don’t want to predict for the next olympics but if things keep going the futur olympic champion will be a girl who can land multiple quads and maybe 3A with a huge amont of stamina.

But there will be still a silver and bronze medal... For someone with 3a and 2 4t

 

[flanker]

I am quoting tarasova the most legendary figure skating coach til eteri the great appeared. But even if she attampes a comback, liza with a quad and a clever layout will beat her

And by the way my post was about liza not alina. So peace and cake

Liza, not wanna say anything against her personally, doesn't have clever layouts, that's historical fact (and will be the same in the future it seems). How she will deal with a quad in a competitive program is still a question. But Alina defeated her when she was doing multiple triksels and changing one 3A for a quad, even clean, doesn't rise Liza's chances much. Alina's capability of high GOE is not matched by Liza's axels or quads. Proven many times. Not to mention that why shouldn't be Alina able to learn it too, somehow people atill think that elements Alina has now are her termination.

What Tarasova says is what Tarasova wishes. And Tarasova's wishes are not always in a compliance with reality.

The fact that your post is mainly about Liza doesn't exclude you from the reaction on your mention of Alina, when it is a significant mention where you decide her further chances.

 

[flanker]

Alina was a late bloomer, she wasn’t successful as a junior except for her last year. Valieva will get used to land quads when she will become a senior. I don’t want to predict for the next olympics but if things keep going the futur olympic champion will be a girl who can land multiple quads and maybe 3A with a huge amont of stamina.

Except for the 3A among the seniors, I can’t see who will be able to do it.

Except that the "last year" was her only international junior year where she won JGPF, junior rusnats and junior worlds (plus silver at senior rusnats). Yes, that's how unsuccesful junior looks like

 

[LenaRadiFan]

Definitely no connoisseur hehe!

The alcohol is for nerves and dealing with negativity lol

And sometimes scoring cannot be tolerated in any other way [emoji6][emoji23][emoji23]

 

[halulupu]

Liza, not wanna say anything against her personally, doesn't have clever layouts, that's historical fact (and will be the same in the future it seems). How she will deal with a quad in a competitive program is still a question. But Alina defeated her when she was doing multiple triksels and changing one 3A for a quad, even clean, doesn't rise Liza's chances much. Alina's capability of high GOE is not matched by Liza's axels or quads. Proven many times. Not to mention that why shouldn't be Alina able to learn it too, somehow people atill think that elements Alina has now are her termination.

What Tarasova says is what Tarasova wishes. And Tarasova's wishes are not always in a compliance with reality.

The fact that your post is mainly about Liza doesn't exclude you from the reaction on your mention of Alina, when it is a significant mention where you decide her further chances.

Only time will tell if alina will have a comeback. I hope so too. But all this skater with great names and achievements didn't comeback after "taking a break". That are the facts, sorry

 

[Mishaminion]

Only time will tell if alina will have a comeback. I hope so too. But all this skater with great names and achievements didn't comeback after "taking a break". That are the facts, sorry

Errrr Yuna Kim left competitive figure skating then returned.
Mao Asada retired then came back, though she did not have much success on her return.

 

[Scott512]

I don't think it's a matter of losing weight. She can do that now. I've never seen her do a 3A or quad outside a harness, so I think it would be hard to master something like that at this point in her career.

I agree. But it's Alina herself who said she would have to lose 30kilos which is more than 6 pounds to be to do quads.

 

[Scott512]

Errrr Yuna Kim left competitive figure skating then returned.
Mao Asada retired then came back, though she did not have much success on her return.

you are correct about that but a completion is much stronger now so Alina would have a harder time returning to competitive form than previous great skaters.

 

[ruga]

I think Alina will be able to come back, but her situation would be quite the opposite from Yuna's. Yuna came back partly due to pressure from Korea since she was a big star and basically the only top skater, while Alina will have to jump into a field with the 3A, who will be established skaters by then, Medvedeva and Tuktamysheva, who are both experienced and not willing to give up their places and some other skaters that are not exactly a threat now, but have great potential (Tarakanova, Sinitsyna, Kanysheva), not to mention girls who would turn senior the year after and despite not being direct competitors, still could put on some pressure.

 

[Mishaminion]

you are correct about that but a completion is much stronger now so Alina would have a harder time returning to competitive form than previous great skaters.

Probably, yes.

Still, for now she has stated she is not retiring and I see no reason not to believe her. She might change her mind, she might feel differently in a few months, but as of right now her plan is to return.

 

[nussnacker]

https://www.instagram.com/p/B6brkNNJbrw/
A heartfelt message from one of the former students of Eteri (who owns a decor studio now).

 

[theharleyquinn]

Liza's layouts signal a skater who isn't often secure on her jump landings. Even her 3A had mostly spotty landings last year, but she seems to have stabilized it since then. I can understand that this hangup makes jumps in combination difficult, but having high TES is the bread and butter of how she can win competitions. High BV 3-3 jumps are needed to maximize the layout, especially as quads and 3As are added. Even if Mishin doesn't want to work on spins, step sequences, or aspects of her PCS (where she will undoubtedly leave points behind), working out Liza's challenges with 3-3 jumps would seem to be a high priority. It's telling that they keep switching the combo jump in the SP, which is even more strange because she's had success with 3F3T and 3Lz3T since last season.

 

[Mishaminion]

Liza's layouts signal a skater who isn't often secure on her jump landings. Even her 3A had mostly spotty landings last year, but she seems to have stabilized it since then. I can understand that this hangup makes jumps in combination difficult, but having high TES is the bread and butter of how she can win competitions. High BV 3-3 jumps are needed to maximize the layout, especially as quads and 3As are added. Even if Mishin doesn't want to work on spins, step sequences, or aspects of her PCS (where she will undoubtedly leave points behind), working out Liza's challenges with 3-3 jumps would seem to be a high priority. It's telling that they keep switching the combo jump in the SP, which is even more strange because she's had success with 3F3T and 3Lz3T since last season.

The constant layout changes themselves don't help, the 3T-3T she put back in her SP after so long she made a mistake on.