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Well call it statement than if u prefer. I still believe based on past examples alinas return is very unrealistic. The term unrealistic actually doesn't exclude a comeback[emoji6]

Well, you remind my my grandma. She was watching a movie in TV once and wondered about one actor. She then stated that it is an actor XY, though my mother told her no, it is not XY, it is YZ. Then, when the movie ended and the credits followed, the name was YZ, my mum was right. But grandma stated: "And yet it was XY!" :biggrin:
 
Well, you remind my my grandma. She was watching a movie in TV once and wondered about one actor. She then stated that it is an actor XY, though my mother told her no, it is not XY, it is YZ. Then, when the movie ended and the credits followed, the name was YZ, my mum was right. But grandma stated: "And yet it was XY!" :biggrin:

Grandma was wrong and I bet that chapped her. ;)

I hope Nationals is one hell of a competition great skating.
 
Grandma was wrong and I bet that chapped her. ;)

I hope Nationals is one hell of a competition great skating.

I don't know what was next, I know the story only from my mother's narration, but it became part of the vocabulary of my family and we say it everytime when somebody doesn't want to admit he was wrong :biggrin:
 
Only time will tell if alina will have a comeback. I hope so too. But all this skater with great names and achievements didn't comeback after "taking a break". That are the facts, sorry

The fact is, skaters with great names and achievements don't go on to compete multiple seasons after winning the Olympics and win worlds the season after. I believe one did, though, and her name was Yuna Kim. Alina has this in common with her. What other similarities are there between her and Alina's careers? Oh yes, both have won every major competition in juniors and seniors and both are the only ones. Both also stated a lack of motivation after winning everything and took a break. This is where Alina is now. Yuna did decide to come back after her break and got another olympic medal and many others. Now, Alina can decide whatever she wants and she's not the same person as Yuna. But if we're going to use past Olympic champions to predict Alina's career choices against her own words, it makes sense to use the skater with the most similar career, instead of the skaters who did the opposite just to fuel our own hopes, no? ;)
 
I don't know what was next, I know the story only from my mother's narration, but it became part of the vocabulary of my family and we say it everytime when somebody doesn't want to admit he was wrong :biggrin:

I think a lot of families have this. ;) It's not easy to admit you were wrong I've been told that my whole life I struggle with taking the blame are admitting defeat or weakness.
 
The fact is, skaters with great names and achievements don't go on to compete multiple seasons after winning the Olympics and win worlds the season after. I believe one did, though, and her name was Yuna Kim. Alina has this in common with her. What other similarities are there between her and Alina's careers? Oh yes, both have won every major competition in juniors and seniors and both are the only ones. Both also stated a lack of motivation after winning everything and took a break. This is where Alina is now. Yuna did decide to come back after her break and got another olympic medal and many others.

Katarina Witt, Grishuk & Platov, Virtue & Moir, Gordeeva & Grinkov, Yuzuru Hanyu, Dick Button, Sonja Henie, Rodnina & Zaitsev . . .
 
The fact is, skaters with great names and achievements don't go on to compete multiple seasons after winning the Olympics and win worlds the season after. I believe one did, though, and her name was Yuna Kim. Alina has this in common with her. What other similarities are there between her and Alina's careers? Oh yes, both have won every major competition in juniors and seniors and both are the only ones. Both also stated a lack of motivation after winning everything and took a break. This is where Alina is now. Yuna did decide to come back after her break and got another olympic medal and many others. Now, Alina can decide whatever she wants and she's not the same person as Yuna. But if we're going to use past Olympic champions to predict Alina's career choices against her own words, it makes sense to use the skater with the most similar career, instead of the skaters who did the opposite just to fuel our own hopes, no? ;)
Yuna Kim did not want to continue after 2010. She was pressured into competing at 2014 OG cos Korea did not have a viable medal contender in figure skating.

Alina, meanwhile, has to fight for slots with her juniors and seniors.
 
Yuna Kim did not want to continue after 2010. She was pressured into competing at 2014 OG cos Korea did not have a viable medal contender in figure skating.

Not to drag this thread off topic, but was there any particular reason why they felt the need to pressure her into continuing? Just because she was the reigning OGM? It's not like Korea as a whole had (at the time) this big reputation to protect within the sport of ladies figure skating, and Yuna was pretty much their only one-in-a-million talent. I don't think anyone would have been particularly surprised if Korea didn't have a medal contender in Sochi. If this was Pyeongchang 2014, and not Sochi 2014, maybe I could see where the pressure would come from.
 
Not to drag this thread off topic, but was there any particular reason why they felt the need to pressure her into continuing? Just because she was the reigning OGM? It's not like Korea as a whole had (at the time) this big reputation to protect within the sport of ladies figure skating, and Yuna was pretty much their only one-in-a-million talent. I don't think anyone would have been particularly surprised if Korea didn't have a medal contender in Sochi. If this was Pyeongchang 2014, and not Sochi 2014, maybe I could see where the pressure would come from.

I think it was Yuna that Korea wanted to see continue, not just a medal contender. Even if they had had other medal contenders, Korea still would have wanted Yuna to continue skate. She was Korea's pride and sweetheart and they wanted to watch her skate as long as possible.

BTW I really hope that Alina returns. I was very impressed with her improvement in performance and interpretation this season, and was looking forward to seeing her develop her own style and artistry further.
 
The fact is, skaters with great names and achievements don't go on to compete multiple seasons after winning the Olympics and win worlds the season after. I believe one did, though, and her name was Yuna Kim. Alina has this in common with her. What other similarities are there between her and Alina's careers? Oh yes, both have won every major competition in juniors and seniors and both are the only ones. Both also stated a lack of motivation after winning everything and took a break. This is where Alina is now. Yuna did decide to come back after her break and got another olympic medal and many others. Now, Alina can decide whatever she wants and she's not the same person as Yuna. But if we're going to use past Olympic champions to predict Alina's career choices against her own words, it makes sense to use the skater with the most similar career, instead of the skaters who did the opposite just to fuel our own hopes, no? ;)

You can't honestly compare Alina to Yuna. There's no doubt in anyone's mind that Yuna was GOAT and deserved all her wins and reputation, and more; while there's plenty of skepticism among many people about Alina's true place in the pantheon of figure skating legends.

If you want to compare Alina to anyone, compare her to Sotnikova. Anyone remember her? Not as well as Yuna, that's for sure. Out of the three of them, which one's exquisite skating will continue to be remembered and revered by all, the entire world, not just "patriots"?

In other words, there're medals... and then there's reality.
 
Not to drag this thread off topic, but was there any particular reason why they felt the need to pressure her into continuing? Just because she was the reigning OGM? It's not like Korea as a whole had (at the time) this big reputation to protect within the sport of ladies figure skating, and Yuna was pretty much their only one-in-a-million talent. I don't think anyone would have been particularly surprised if Korea didn't have a medal contender in Sochi. If this was Pyeongchang 2014, and not Sochi 2014, maybe I could see where the pressure would come from.

It's pretty obvious if you follow sports.
Getting a medal from FS is better than no medal since Yuna was the only medal contender. Sports officials KPI is largely determined by results, medals.
They need to meet a certain medal target, fall short, heads will roll. This is true for most countries.
 
No means of watching the program run throughs other than 1tv.ru through a VPN?
 
Anybody has any info on 'new faces' Valeriya Shulskaya, Anastasiya Grachyova and Kseniya Tsibinova? Apart from sparse results and some videos hardly anything can be found, with fskate.ru down.

Riasport published some details from the run throughs:

Triksels from Trusova, Tuktamysheva and Kostornaya in their run throughs to music, though not all attempts successful. Some quads thrown by Trusova and Shcherbakova later in their sessions.
 
You can't honestly compare Alina to Yuna. There's no doubt in anyone's mind that Yuna was GOAT and deserved all her wins and reputation, and more; while there's plenty of skepticism among many people about Alina's true place in the pantheon of figure skating legends.

If you want to compare Alina to anyone, compare her to Sotnikova. Anyone remember her? Not as well as Yuna, that's for sure. Out of the three of them, which one's exquisite skating will continue to be remembered and revered by all, the entire world, not just "patriots"?

In other words, there're medals... and then there's reality.

1. Sotnikova's career is one good performance(at the best possible time, but still). Alina's career is ~2 seasons and half.

2. Sotnikova is an Olympic Champion, Alina won everything there is to win.

3. Sotnikova retired after Olympics,Alina won worlds after Olympics and won it without any questions.

4. Nobody questions Alina's OGM medal except Medvedeva's immediate family and few delusional fans.

5. Who remembers Sotnikova? Uh,Ms King to begin with. Figure Skating another site and how about Nation of Russia ? Also, I don't know but you seem to remember Sotnikova.

6. Alina is the best Russian lady in History, trust me, that will ensure she is remembered until at least, Russia will have another winner of every major Trophy of FS.

7. Sotnikova isn't true champion... lol, if anybody here thinks that in 10 years ANYBODY except Ms King and few her followers will remember Sochi Controversy... I am sorry but you are dead wrong. How many people remember all these fight Floyd Mayweather 'deserved' to lose? Yeah, nobody except probably his most devout haters. That isn't how any of it works, When Brian Scalabrine in his famous post-NBA winning interview said that in 20 years nobody would care if he played only 5 seconds or won MVP, he was right. So sorry but, as time passes,less and less questions will be asked about Sotnikova's Gold, Ms King can burn down 100 CPUs making new youtube videos but it wont change anything :biggrin:

8. Sotnikova was perfect example of one hit wonder (well, she had that one hit at perfect time) Alina had lengthy career filled with a rise, rivalry, problems and getting World Gold medal after all these troubles. She is a legend and as unfortunate as it may sound for her fans, she has very few reasons to return. There will always be people who question anything, even if she returns and wins everything second time, but she has medals which regardless of how many people 'question' them, ensures her place among legends of FS.

9. I understand that there are some people (who mostly, coincidentally of course, come from countries which don't exactly enjoy perfect times in FS right now ) who think that a 'true legend' needs to stay active for 'at least' 2 olympics, but again, that isn't how any of it works (or will ever work), Athletes aren't measured according to length of their Carer but to the achievement they had and as Eteri and Co. rightly put it "Alina won more in these 3 years than most skaters win in 10" :agree:
 
You can't honestly compare Alina to Yuna. There's no doubt in anyone's mind that Yuna was GOAT and deserved all her wins and reputation, and more; while there's plenty of skepticism among many people about Alina's true place in the pantheon of figure skating legends.

If you want to compare Alina to anyone, compare her to Sotnikova. Anyone remember her? Not as well as Yuna, that's for sure. Out of the three of them, which one's exquisite skating will continue to be remembered and revered by all, the entire world, not just "patriots"?

In other words, there're medals... and then there's reality.

You're not looking at the facts, this is once again your biased opinion. Sotnikova, no disrespect to her, has only one international title to her name, the OGM. Alina, like Yuna, has also won everything; the OGM is just one of their many accomplishments. They both won major international titles before and after winning OGM which very few have done. Alina, like Yuna, deserved all her wins and reputation. There is skepticism with Alina's wins, as there is with any other skaters'. Take any victory and there will be someone who tells you another deserved it. But which do you want to dispute: JGPF, JW, GPF, Euros, Olympics, or Worlds? And how many of these are similar to Adelina? I'm not sure what you have against Alina, but if we're looking at the facts alone, her career is much more similar to Yuna's than Adelina's. Titles, rankings, and records. Their interviews on why they chose to take their breaks. You know, the things that are actually quantifiable and the words of the athletes themselves as opposed to whatever agenda you're trying to push.
 
Katarina Witt, Grishuk & Platov, Virtue & Moir, Gordeeva & Grinkov, Yuzuru Hanyu, Dick Button, Sonja Henie, Rodnina & Zaitsev . . .

I should clarify I was talking about the ladies. But yes, of course Katarina Witt who won her second olympic gold. I don't think this is a comparison that I can make to Alina, though. But my point is the comparison of Alina to other ladies who have taken a break to then retired is inaccurate, as her career and accomplishments follow the path of a skater who did indeed come back after taking a break.
 
Well, you remind my my grandma. She was watching a movie in TV once and wondered about one actor. She then stated that it is an actor XY, though my mother told her no, it is not XY, it is YZ. Then, when the movie ended and the credits followed, the name was YZ, my mum was right. But grandma stated: "And yet it was XY!" [emoji3]
And u are the naive teenager sitting next to them and still believing every word of your mother[emoji85][emoji6]
 
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