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i agree if they are going to try new elements this season, Euros is the place to do it. they are competing against each other there and no one else, and a sweep should be easy. worlds will have much less room for error.
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i agree if they are going to try new elements this season, Euros is the place to do it. they are competing against each other there and no one else, and a sweep should be easy. worlds will have much less room for error.
Unfortunately when you’re a little promising russian skater, the matter is not “I’m going to this coaching team because I like the way they treats pupils” but it’s more like “who’ll take the responsibility to teach me and maybe make a champion of me?”. And probably you have to try many places because of the “no, for me that kid isn’t working”.
See Zagitova’s case: she was refused by Mishin and she joined Tutberidze team.
You can say that she has an opportunity (an Olympic gold opportunity of course).
Alysa Lozko, who was taken by Mishin instead of Alina, disappeared.
So...sometimes is a matter of foresight by the training team.
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Very good points interesting comments.
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The results speak for themselves, count the < marks, plus the physical condition of the skaters after leaving the ice gives a good indication of the attention to strength/endurance training and conditioning between the different rinks.
This featherlight Valeriya Shulskaya looked as fresh after finishing her routine as when she started it.
Speaking of Shulskaya, Frolova, Tsibinova, who made it to the Nationals by themselves, where do these girls go from here? How can they realise their ambitions and advance through the ranks if your scoring potential is currently maxed at around 200? Go for triksels and quads, girls this tall and lean as they are? Go for a maximised 'triples' content and strive for perfect GOE's?
All inclusive protocols are out: https://fsrussia.ru/files/docs/competitons/1920/rusnat1920_protocol.pdf , but these seem to be messed up for there is no women's SP?
FFKKR photo report from the gala: https://fsrussia.ru/news/4845-fotor...a-chempionata-rossii-v-krasnoyarske-2020.html
Tuktamysheva really stole the show in her fun routine, and smashing cymbals together is even more fun ;-)
BFF's Alyona and Dar'ya jumping together
I was actually mesmerized by Frolova
She has good technics, and her posture and arms movement & toe pointing is to die for. I was like ... how come I've never even watched her before and she gets very high ... 6th place. I also love her extending landings like that she was capable of in the FS at RusNATS, it's a skill that is getting lost but so valuable to me. Davydov and his skaters can definitely be proud.
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I was actually mesmerized by Frolova
Watching her during jgp, her jumps looked pretty bad to me. Very small and super shaky.
I'm not sure when she switched to Davydov, and what magic he did to her, but at russian nationals her progress compared to previous outings is stellar, and not just with jumps.
A lot more confident and secure.
And 6th place? a great success!
Same for Guliakova.
It's interesting, that the ladies no one thought would even be in the mix, placed so high.
I somehow thought that Konstantinova and Samodurova would be in top 6, so Guliakova and Frolova doing so well came as a complete surprise.
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Maybe, but then again Anna just won the RusNats and given lack of videos I don't think her 3A is ready yet. Sasha just loves to debut jumps quickly so she might try a 3A in the SP again but I don't know if it's truly ready either. Aliona has a lot to gain but is there reason to change the formula when this is domestic scoring/calling? It has always been the case through her career so far that if Anna/Sasha skate clean then they win so nothing has changed. Olympics is the main goal for all the skaters. They can even experiment in Worlds frankly.....Rika is the only threat and is sadly having injury trouble.
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Did anyone else notice that the reason why Aliona's 3F-3T landing was bad was because she made the 3T so big she finished the jump early, it was as big as the 3F! A 4T looks like such a possibility. And then that 3S in combination too was incredible for a second jump.
Frolova was definitely robbed a little. Strange calls for the Lz and GoE way too low. I'm surprised she didn't get 4th place.
Frolova was definitely robbed a little. Strange calls for the Lz and GoE way too low. I'm surprised she didn't get 4th place.
Contradictory..."she had a bad landing but still deserves +2/3 GOE"....No...a bad landing is a bad landing...just like Anna's quad flip should have gotten minus GOE, she stepped out
Overscored, inflated scores: FACT
I might be misinterpreting your wording here, but Shcherbakova did get negative GOE on the 4F, it has a base value of 11 points and she got 10.06 for it. Kostornaia didn't get any negative GOEs
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The team for the European Figure Skating Championships was known immediately after the national championship. The Executive Committee, where the tournament's participants were officially approved, could not wait.
President of the FFKKR Aleksander Gorshkov emphasised that the team will be formed according to the sports principle and there is no reason for changes. And so it happened. Those who took first, second and third places in the National Championships will go to the Europeans in Graz, Austria.
The three participants of the European Championship from Russia have been known for a long time. Of interest was only the distribution of podium places. Unexpectedly for many, for the second year in a row, Anna Shcherbakova became Champion of Russia, Alyona Kostornaya lost to her by just a little, and Aleksandra Trusova gave this championship a turn.
Sasha fell from her first two quadruples, and on the third she made a butterfly. For a couple of minutes, the whole world doubted the three students of Tutberidze would go to the European Championship, but Aleksandra perfectly executed the rest of her program, cleanly performed a cascade of a quadruple Toeloop + Euler + triple Salchow and earned more than twenty points over Lisa Tuktamysheva.
At the European Championships, our skaters will be without rivals. Most likely, the gap between the third and fourth places will be more than 50 points. Only two ex-Russians Yekaterina Ryabova and Yekaterina Kurakova are suitable for the role of potential competitors. But beyond high-profile headlines like “Tutberidze vs. Orser and Plushenko,” this is unlikely to proceed.
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From: https://sport24.ru/news/other/2019-...aya-shcherbakova-rezultaty-chempionata-rossii
From a blog (https://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/russiateam/2681322.html):
Sasha has Bronze, but formally has not yet secured a trip to the European Championship in late January. A ticket to Graz is guaranteed to the Champion - Shcherbakova and Silver Medalist - Kostornaya. Who will fly to Austria with them will be decided by the coaching council.
Here are the factors that will have to be determined by the coaches and the federation: "the level and stability of the results shown at the stages and the final of the Grand Prix, as well as taking into account the technical content of the competition programs, the reliability of their execution, including elements of the highest category of complexity, choreographic preparedness, psychological stability, age and promising opportunities for athletes" - as quoted from the regulations.
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Aleksandra also, was deserving without any doubt whatsoever. And this explains her desperate tears of disappointment and proves her strength of character: she thought she'd lost her chance, but kept fighting till the end while others gave up.
President of the FFKKR Aleksander Gorshkov emphasised that the team will be formed according to the sports principle and there is no reason for changes. And so it happened. Those who took first, second and third places in the National Championships will go to the Europeans in Graz, Austria.
The three participants of the European Championship from Russia have been known for a long time. Of interest was only the distribution of podium places. Unexpectedly for many, for the second year in a row, Anna Shcherbakova became Champion of Russia, Alyona Kostornaya lost to her by just a little, and Aleksandra Trusova gave this championship a turn.
Sasha fell from her first two quadruples, and on the third she made a butterfly. For a couple of minutes, the whole world doubted the three students of Tutberidze would go to the European Championship, but Aleksandra perfectly executed the rest of her program, cleanly performed a cascade of a quadruple Toeloop + Euler + triple Salchow and earned more than twenty points over Lisa Tuktamysheva.
At the European Championships, our skaters will be without rivals. Most likely, the gap between the third and fourth places will be more than 50 points. Only two ex-Russians Yekaterina Ryabova and Yekaterina Kurakova are suitable for the role of potential competitors. But beyond high-profile headlines like “Tutberidze vs. Orser and Plushenko,” this is unlikely to proceed.
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From: https://sport24.ru/news/other/2019-...aya-shcherbakova-rezultaty-chempionata-rossii
From a blog (https://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/russiateam/2681322.html):
Sasha has Bronze, but formally has not yet secured a trip to the European Championship in late January. A ticket to Graz is guaranteed to the Champion - Shcherbakova and Silver Medalist - Kostornaya. Who will fly to Austria with them will be decided by the coaching council.
Here are the factors that will have to be determined by the coaches and the federation: "the level and stability of the results shown at the stages and the final of the Grand Prix, as well as taking into account the technical content of the competition programs, the reliability of their execution, including elements of the highest category of complexity, choreographic preparedness, psychological stability, age and promising opportunities for athletes" - as quoted from the regulations.
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Aleksandra also, was deserving without any doubt whatsoever. And this explains her desperate tears of disappointment and proves her strength of character: she thought she'd lost her chance, but kept fighting till the end while others gave up.
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Absolutely agree with that last paragraph. Sasha didn't give up, nailed her second half quad combo and even successfully landed her loop combo she had struggled with before.
Sasha is a tough little cookie, but even the toughest of us cry sometimes.
She was laughing off a fall in her gala performance and more or less her old self.
Sasha is a tough little cookie, but even the toughest of us cry sometimes.
She was laughing off a fall in her gala performance and more or less her old self.
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What was left behind the scenes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFforvNeIhY hopefully available worldwide, another fantastic montage of training clips.
Guliakova was actually better last year when she scored 202.63. But the competition was a little tougher and she ended in 10th place.
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This is awesome, thank you so much for sharing! I'm a sucker (like many people, I imagine) for all kinds of behind the scenes stuff!
Funny enough, this season is looking eerily similar to last season. Alyona takes J/GPF again for the 2nd year. Anna claims Nationals for the 2nd year. Being the JW champion last year, Sasha might just be the one to take the Worlds crown.
Definitely agree though that although 3A have been dominating, the fun and excitement comes out of predicting which one of them will win. They are constantly trying to one up one another, trading rankings for 2 years now, and each having had their moment of glory.
None of them rely on the same strengths to win, and so it's not a robotic race to the top either! My personal favorite is Alyona, but I cannot deny Anna her victory for landing 3 quads and not neglecting the artistic side. If Sasha shows up with more quads/axels, she might just be able to make up the PCS deficit too! Euros will just be a preview of their ultimate fight at Worlds
Definitely agree though that although 3A have been dominating, the fun and excitement comes out of predicting which one of them will win. They are constantly trying to one up one another, trading rankings for 2 years now, and each having had their moment of glory.
None of them rely on the same strengths to win, and so it's not a robotic race to the top either! My personal favorite is Alyona, but I cannot deny Anna her victory for landing 3 quads and not neglecting the artistic side. If Sasha shows up with more quads/axels, she might just be able to make up the PCS deficit too! Euros will just be a preview of their ultimate fight at Worlds
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Me too, when the camera's aren't intrusive, do not try to find saucy details, the athletes behave genuine and natural and will tolerate being followed around.
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Yeah I noticed that too. She finished the rotation was earlier than usual and was hanging in the air backwards for a second before landing. Probably wanted it too bad and as the British commentators would say “overcooked it”. She knew she needed all the GOEs she could get but unfortunately it didn’t work out. I’m sure she will be drilling it in practice to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
I am also surprised she hasn’t mentioned the 4T because it’s such a high jump for her but maybe she is training it and we don’t know about it or will plan to learn it in the off season. As much as we like to speculate we never truly know what’s going on, how training goes on a daily basis, etc. even these 30 mins practice sessions that have been streamed for us this season don’t truly show what training is like for any of these top athletes who are on the ice for many hours every day.
Everyone knows that Liza is older and doesn't want to risk injuries. It's the lack of strategy that makes everybody wonder. Her programs are a mess, year after year. Every competition she has a new layout or even a new program. Of course you don't get consistent with your elements if you switch them around, take them in, take them out again. Introducing the quad at this point was just senseless. The quad will help her if she does two 3A's along with valuable combos. It's about points. And points are calculated. 4T is 1,5 points more than a 3A. I mean seriously? She could have kept the layout the way it was before and improve at spin levels instead.
That's also 1,5 points...And for those who say Liza is thinking longterm: If she fails to qualify for Worlds and Euros year after year, she always starts from zero when the GP series starts. No GOE, no PCS...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZL5zkByBaQ
Can someone please translate what Alena, Anna, and Sasha were saying to eachother during the draw?
Can someone please translate what Alena, Anna, and Sasha were saying to eachother during the draw?
