2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[McBibus]

I think Alena is only doing 3A+2T because it's not worth it for her to do a 3A+3T. You can only repeat two triple jumps (or one quad and one triple) she repeats 3A and 3F.
And it's better to put the 3T on the 3F, beacuse she's very consistent with it, and can do the combo in the second half for the bonus. If she learns a loop combo, she could do a 3A+3T. (But I actually prefer her not to, as Loop combos can potentially cause hip problems on the long run, and she has enough BV without it.)

I totally forgot about the repetion limits.
It now makes sense.
My bad and thanks for lighting it up.

 

[McBibus]

What was left behind the scenes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFforvNeIhY hopefully available worldwide, another fantastic montage of training clips.

@7:33 Danil showing silly videos to Eteri

https://youtu.be/GFforvNeIhY?t=453

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

I think Alena is only doing 3A+2T because it's not worth it for her to do a 3A+3T. You can only repeat two triple jumps (or one quad and one triple) she repeats 3A and 3F.
And it's better to put the 3T on the 3F, beacuse she's very consistent with it, and can do the combo in the second half for the bonus. If she learns a loop combo, she could do a 3A+3T. (But I actually prefer her not to, as Loop combos can potentially cause hip problems on the long run, and she has enough BV without it.)

I thought two quads can be repeated and two triples, no? :O
And what about the doubles?

 

[ruga]

I thought two quads can be repeated and two triples, no? :O
And what about the doubles?

Two triple or quad jumps can be repeated, out of which one can be quad. Two double jumps can be repeated as well, but not necessarily in combination.

 

[Maju]

https://youtu.be/rohoBl1Dtbc What does Eteri say here?

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

Two triple or quad jumps can be repeated, out of which one can be quad. Two double jumps can be repeated as well, but not necessarily in combination.

Thank you. I always thought that 2 quads can be repeated and then 2 triples can also be repeated with no connection to the quads. As for the doubles - I heard that a double jump can be repeated even 3 times?

 

[ruga]

Thank you. I always thought that 2 quads can be repeated and then 2 triples can also be repeated with no connection to the quads. As for the doubles - I heard that a double jump can be repeated even 3 times?

They changed the rules about doubles in 2010 I think. Back then, the number of doubles was unlimited (or limited to 3, can't recall), but now it almost matches the rule about triples and quads.

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

https://youtu.be/rohoBl1Dtbc What does Eteri say here?

She said that she wanted the girls to skate everything perfectly. However that did not happen - both Alyona and Sasha left points on the table. But they still swept the podium since they had big elements that worth a lot even If they are not performed perfectly.
She also said that Sasha's practice went really well and Anna's practice not so much. And maybe that helped Anna as she was more concentrated.

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

They changed the rules about doubles in 2010 I think. Back then, the number of doubles was unlimited (or limited to 3, can't recall), but now it almost matches the rule about triples and quads.

Thanks.

 

[Fluture]

Where exactly does this statement about Eteri come from?

Funnily enough, I don‘t think I‘ve even mentioned Eteri per name and yet you seem to be very sure that it was her I was talking about. For the records, I‘ve already stated that other coaches aren‘t exactly angels only either. Plushenko, Buyanova, even Mishin.. they all have their issues and moments where I sit there and just “shake my head“.

Nevertheless, even more ironic is that this statement you picked up on doesn‘t even come from me, it comes from Eteri herself. It‘s not bashing, it‘s a statement she fully supports. Maybe y‘all should start reading some of her interviews from before she got all smart with PR and stuff like that.

 

[Fluture]

On another note... I‘ll be going to the Euros and am thinking of buying some plushies to throw for the 3A and a Russian flag. Yes, I fully intend to cheer for them all the way.

So, anyone got some ideas what they might like? I was thinking of a bear for Anna because she always gets them thrown onto the ice and a unicorn for Aliona. What about Sasha?

 

[Avl]

What about Sasha?

She likes dogs. Think about it.

 

[Good Vibes Only]

On another note... I‘ll be going to the Euros and am thinking of buying some plushies to throw for the 3A and a Russian flag. Yes, I fully intend to cheer for them all the way.

So, anyone got some ideas what they might like? I was thinking of a bear for Anna because she always gets them thrown onto the ice and a unicorn for Aliona. What about Sasha?

Oh wow, that’s so exciting!! You are very lucky!! As mentioned, Sasha would probably like a dog stuffed animal or she also seemed to like the bread stuffed animal, so maybe another food stuffed animal. I don’t know what type of food she likes.

 

[LenaRadiFan]

On another note... I‘ll be going to the Euros and am thinking of buying some plushies to throw for the 3A and a Russian flag. Yes, I fully intend to cheer for them all the way. [emoji23]

So, anyone got some ideas what they might like? I was thinking of a bear for Anna because she always gets them thrown onto the ice and a unicorn for Aliona. What about Sasha?

Doesn't Sasha sometimes get the Yuri on ice dog? Like that brown fluffy one

 

[ruga]

On another note... I‘ll be going to the Euros and am thinking of buying some plushies to throw for the 3A and a Russian flag. Yes, I fully intend to cheer for them all the way.

So, anyone got some ideas what they might like? I was thinking of a bear for Anna because she always gets them thrown onto the ice and a unicorn for Aliona. What about Sasha?

A dragon, if you find one, could be a good idea, especially after the free

 

[Vilord]

I thought two quads can be repeated and two triples, no? :O
And what about the doubles?

So all doubles and singles can be repeated twice with or withour combination.
You can repeat two quads or tripples (max one quad) and then one of them must be in combination or sequence.
So either you repeat one quad and one tripple or two tripples. No limit to amount of doubles but max two of each.

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

So all doubles and singles can be repeated twice with or withour combination.
You can repeat two quads or tripples (max one quad) and then one of them must be in combination or sequence.
So either you repeat one quad and one tripple or two tripples. No limit to amount of doubles but max two of each.

That explains why no one has attempted a 6 quad program yet. It is not only about stamina, it seems.
It is also interesting that last season Alina had two double axels both as single jumps and two triple lutzes both as a part of a combination.
Yuna Kim used to perform 3 double axels, as far as I remember.
Edit: Actually Nathan can If he performs 4T, 4S, 4F, 4LZ and also adds his 4Lo (how many times he did 4Lo?) and then repeates one quad. He is the only skater who has all quads except for 4A...

 

[YuBluByMe]

That explains why no one has attempted a 6 quad program yet. It is not only about stamina, it seems.
Edit: Actually Nathan can If he performs 4T, 4S, 4F, 4LZ and also adds his 4Lo (how many times he did 4Lo?) and then repeates one quad. He is the only skater who has all quads except for 4A...

Before the rules changed, Chen actually did land six quads in a free skate, but it sure as hell wasn’t pretty. He’s only landed a 4Lo once. But yeah Chen is currently the only skater that could land six quads and not turn the skate into a complete disaster. As I believe there’s a big difference between landing all quads and competing with all quads, I don’t expect to see another six-quad free skate anytime soon.

 

[SkateSkates]

That explains why no one has attempted a 6 quad program yet. It is not only about stamina, it seems.
It is also interesting that last season Alina had two double axels both as single jumps and two triple lutzes both as a part of a combination.
Yuna Kim used to perform 3 double axels, as far as I remember.
Edit: Actually Nathan can If he performs 4T, 4S, 4F, 4LZ and also adds his 4Lo (how many times he did 4Lo?) and then repeates one quad. He is the only skater who has all quads except for 4A...

The rule was changed after 2010 regarding double axels. You used to be able to do 3, but it was then capped at 2.

Double axels do not need to be in combination if they are repeated. Last year Aliona and Anna both had 2 solo 2As in their programs. Ksenia Sinitsina also has 2 solo 2As in her programs this season (and last).

 

[KOBOT37]

Regarding to theory that Eteri simply replaced Alina with 'better' and 'newer' product of Factory...

Assuming we don't believe theory according to which Alina is a brainless barbie doll who is manipulated by evil Eteri and every her statement is in fact written by Eteri to mislead people and put few things into perspective everything fits the picture.

First,Eteri made it clear that for her, the medal you won ceases to matter after you take it off your neck and after that you need to work like you never won anything. Alina had 2 very hard seasons both mentally and physically, she said that after last season, she wanted to relax a bit and was tired of competition, do we have any reason to believe she is lying?

So at the end of last season,we had a situation in which, Alina wasn't ready to work 'like she never won anything', was under a coach who demands exactly that and leaving her,at least back then was out of question(simply, it surely doesn't make her chances to win better) and she probably doesn't want to take full year off due to several reasons (first, she needs to win right to compete in 2 GPs next year, second-she has many contracts and her sponsors probably want her to be active).

As far as I know, either Eteri or Alina said that Alina was told 'it's up to you if you train, you can stay away from training if you want' (something along these lines), what is the easiest explanation of that? Imagine if Alina walked into Sambo one day and told Eteri "I want to take it easy for next season,then we will see", what do you think Eteri would answer? Most likely something like-"Sure, but if you aren't doing 100% don't expect much of my attention,I have army of hungry girls to think about".

If you believe Alina, Eteri's rumored words and her rumored 'lack of attention towards Alina', also her willingness to let Alina take part in so many shows and everything else becomes easily explainable and true to Eteri's style (she isn't going to lose much time on somebody who isn't giving her all to training,regardless of who she is).

I think that both sides were happy with that arrangement and Alina was okay with having as much attention from Eteri as say, Moris, until GPF happened. Alina is of course experienced skater who has tasted defeats but... there is a defeat and then there is a hopelessness, she has lost before but she has never been in a situation where she needed borderline miracle (her best performance and one of 3As worst performance) to win a medal,nothing to say about the fact that Even miracle wouldn't be enough to get her gold. This may be fine for Moris for whom as rumors have it, figure skating is a never ending party, but for 'champion of everything' such state of affairs is probably very unpleasant.

At some point it hit her hard that... while she was partying, her team mates were studying the blade and she had little to no shot at beating them (all of the 3A improved dramatically during the Season,Especially Anna and Alena),this makes her change of 'fighting spirit' after JO and open skate very logical and explains her decision to miss Russ nats.

All you need is to believe Alina (and she definitely deserves that much respect) and everything that happened sound less dramatic,considering that it's 17(!) years old we are speaking about.

it's Alina decision, she needs to decide what does she want, to me it's clear that she doesn't want to 'just skate', she wants to have a real shot at winning and I really doubt she will leave Sambo, Alina Better than anybody knows that Sambo is a place where winners are created and you won't win anything with running away from Eteri. It's matter of how much does she want it, she said that she no longer wanted to work from 6AM to 9PM, Soon she will have to finally decide if she does want winning again bad enough that she is ready to work like she never won anything, if she decides to try it again, then there is no place better than Khrustalny for that and no coach better than Eteri and most likely that will stay that way for a foreseeable future.