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She also trashed Tarasova in the 90s telling all the truth about the politics in Ice Dance and how that influenced Grishuk/Platov's success, then over the years she became a friend of her. So just because she criticized Tutberidze doesn't mean she has a personal hate.

Judging from an outside perspective, Vait might be wrong on many things, but RusFed's approach into this isn't right either. Right now in Russia you're either:

- Pro Eteri = pro the sysyem

- Anti-Eteri = your job as journalist won't last long.

This is very Soviet thinking, only positive comments, criticism is shutted down. That's bad too, Eteri is not like some god of figure skating, she made mistakes too, for one success, we don't know everything that is behind the scenes. (which is true for any coaches, not just her) You should instead accept the negative feedbacks, cause there might be some truth behind, you can always use to improve.

I don't always like Vait's approach but one thing i've always noticed is that she is very open: if she doesn't like something, she tells it. Not all journalists do this.

She clearly said that she's not interested on being a fan of certain skaters, like some fan do following athletes as their idols, but rather being a fan of the sport in general.

So journalist ethics is exclusive soviet thinking for you? I fell sorry for your country.
Let's play a game. If I find *random_number* anti-Eteri posts in pretty Russian media by pretty Russian journalists within the last *random_number* weeks/months/years, you delete your profile from here due to complete impossibility to discuss the topic being non biased, non brainwashed and non xenophobic.
 
You have to understand his perspective.

He built his success in the US, working and restoring aged athletes with Michelle Kwan, Adam Rippon and Ashley Wagner.

He's like Mishin and others, more on the camp of long lasting skaters so of course is not too positive about this type of development for a skater, winning everything in 2-3 years and then retire.
I pretty much understand. He lost the competition in Russia (that's why he is in the us). He is not able to produce a skater of Eteri's quality. Neither Kwan, nor Rippon, nor Wagner could even dream about say Trusova success. And Bell will never become the next Zagitova under Rafael. Her career doesn't even exist according to Eteri standarts. She has not won ANYTHING. And never will. Nether in 2-3 years, nor in 20-30. What long lasting you suppose to say? Long lasting thirty-whateverth of worldwide rating? Roflmao
 
I pretty much understand. He lost the competition in Russia (that's why he is in the us). He is not able to produce a skater of Eteri's quality. Neither Kwan, nor Rippon, nor Wagner could even dream about say Trusova success. And Bell will never become the next Zagitova under Rafael. Her career doesn't even exist according to Eteri standarts. She has not won ANYTHING. And never will. Nether in 2-3 years, nor in 20-30. What long lasting you suppose to say? Long lasting thirty-whateverth of worldwide rating? Roflmao

Sorry...did you forget about Nathan Chen?

Sure Alina won the Olympics, but she’s never been able to win a major competition twice.

It’s like the epitome of one hit wonder, she has never been able to repeat success.
 
I pretty much understand. He lost the competition in Russia (that's why he is in the us). He is not able to produce a skater of Eteri's quality. Neither Kwan, nor Rippon, nor Wagner could even dream about say Trusova success. And Bell will never become the next Zagitova under Rafael. Her career doesn't even exist according to Eteri standarts. She has not won ANYTHING. And never will. Nether in 2-3 years, nor in 20-30. What long lasting you suppose to say? Long lasting thirty-whateverth of worldwide rating? Roflmao

Nathan?
 
And Bell will never become the next Zagitova under Rafael. Her career doesn't even exist according to Eteri standarts.

Haven‘t posted much recently but maybe that‘s Eteri‘s problem then, not Mariah‘s. And Eteri’s coaching Morisi who will not be the next Nathan Chen (who, by the way, happens to be coached by the very same Raf) either so idk what you’re on about. Mariah, btw, has been doing very well this season, medaling at both GPs, winning a Challenger... yes, she‘s not Alina and, as you so astutely pointed out, will never be, but in my book that‘s totally fine. People are different, as are their careers. She‘s doing well for herself and Raf helped her fulfill her potential. Should everybody who‘s not likely to have Alina‘s success just give up skating? Alright then.

Raf makes questionable comments sometimes but I found nothing wrong with this interview, he‘s allowed to have an opinion and whether his students win against Eteri‘s or not has nothing to do with it. I‘m pretty sure he doesn‘t expect Mariah or Marin to do that, he‘s helping them to become better at their own pace, like any good coach should. I find it sadly ironic that every time someone utters an opinion that‘s different to yours, the reaction‘s just dismissive. As if their opinion was worthless just because they don‘t have a Trusova in their team. :rolleye:

That‘s my two cents and now I‘ll leave again and focus on looking forward to Europeans. Thank you, btw, to everyone who made suggestions for gifts for the girls. I like the idea about getting a dragon for Sasha and hope to find a cute one. :)
 
It's worth noting that Vaytsekhovskaya is an Olympic champion in diving, so she's not a no-name in sports.
 
I pretty much understand. He lost the competition in Russia (that's why he is in the us). He is not able to produce a skater of Eteri's quality. Neither Kwan, nor Rippon, nor Wagner could even dream about say Trusova success. And Bell will never become the next Zagitova under Rafael. Her career doesn't even exist according to Eteri standarts. She has not won ANYTHING. And never will. Nether in 2-3 years, nor in 20-30. What long lasting you suppose to say? Long lasting thirty-whateverth of worldwide rating? Roflmao

This is a joke, right? There's no way you are actually serious.
 
Get back to me after Trusova wins five world championships, LOL.

So... who's greater and being better would-be like target?
Kwan with five WC titles or say, Zagitova with OGM?

There are eternal achievements and there are "periodic"...

P.S. Trusova's unlikely to win many majors if any. She's competing against the Wikipedia. Only two jumps left and it's OK to stop with 4Lo. She may go home the same day...
 
Sorry...did you forget about Nathan Chen?

Sure Alina won the Olympics, but she’s never been able to win a major competition twice.

It’s like the epitome of one hit wonder, she has never been able to repeat success.

Rather epitome of "unfriendly" post. Like winning olympics and a year later winning worlds seems to me proves the ability to win "a major competition twice", definitely the most important competition of the season twice. It's not Alina's fault there was no olympic games to win in 2019 :biggrin:. That's very far from "one hit wonder".* Just recently I wrote here about the multiple winners of the worlds from the last years (since Kwan's last WC title) and the only one who won worlds back to back was Zhenya Medvedeva. The others, incl. names like Yuna Kim and Mao Asada needed four years to win their second title. So saying that Alina is unable to repeat her success now, after just two completed senior seasons, is either uninformed or... the other option.

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* Originally I wrote "one hot wonder", but that actually fits Alina very well. So yes, Alina is not "one hit wonder", she is "one hot wonder" :devil:
 
So... who's greater and being better would-be like target?
Kwan with five WC titles or say, Zagitova with OGM?

There are eternal achievements and there are "periodic"...

P.S. Trusova's unlikely to win many majors if any. She's competing against the Wikipedia. Only two jumps left and it's OK to stop with 4Lo. She may go home the same day...

I’d say five World titles is personally worth more than one OGM. While the Olympics is certainly a lifetime achievement to have that level of consistency to win five titles shows a level of skill that puts you among the greats.

Both are in the history books.

Merry Christmas!
 

An exception that only confirms the rule. Tutberidze success is systematical. Nathan is the only one and I don't see him to last long.
About Kwan. Oh my, I would absolutely love to watch how she would compete against Trusova right now. Or at the recent Championship of Russia. Could she be a lucky one to climb into top-10 there?
 
Raf makes questionable comments sometimes but I found nothing wrong with this interview, he‘s allowed to have an opinion and whether his students win against Eteri‘s or not has nothing to do with it. I‘m pretty sure he doesn‘t expect Mariah or Marin to do that, he‘s helping them to become better at their own pace, like any good coach should. I find it sadly ironic that every time someone utters an opinion that‘s different to yours, the reaction‘s just dismissive. As if their opinion was worthless just because they don‘t have a Trusova in their team. :rolleye:

That‘s my two cents and now I‘ll leave again and focus on looking forward to Europeans. Thank you, btw, to everyone who made suggestions for gifts for the girls. I like the idea about getting a dragon for Sasha and hope to find a cute one. :)

It has. All the things. If he says, that Alina had only 2.5 years of her career he would better realize that Mariah hasn't had a day of hers. You know, the same logic, isn't? And better start to pay attention to his own students, why this happened and what he could do instead of cheap talking about the others.
 
I’d say five World titles is personally worth more than one OGM.

Different people have different opinions about all this.

To me, in the whole history of figure skating there have been only 4 ladies who won five or more world championships: Herma Szabo, Sonja Henie, Carol Heiss, and Michelle Kwan. Before Michelle, this feat hadn't been accomplished for 50 years. (Although Katarina Witt, with 4 worlds and two OGMs should be included in this elite group, too.) It may never happen again.

In contrast, there have been 22 winners of the Olympic Games. In 2022 there will be another. Yet another in 2026, every 4 years rain or shine, here comes another. They can't ALL be the all-time great, even though they achieved the ultimate goal.
 
An exception that only confirms the rule. Tutberidze success is systematical. Nathan is the only one and I don't see him to last long.
About Kwan. Oh my, I would absolutely love to watch how she would compete against Trusova right now. Or at the recent Championship of Russia. Could she be a lucky one to climb into top-10 there?

You don't see him to last long.

It's already the 4th senior season for Nathan and I'm pretty sure he will compete at the very top level at least till 2022, so it's minimum 6. I wouldn't call it short because if I do, most (if not all) of Eteri's skaters' careers would have to be called so many things that I do not want to call.

And putting a skater who retired almost 15 years ago into today's competition is not going to prove anything, really.
 
So journalist ethics is exclusive soviet thinking for you? I fell sorry for your country.
Let's play a game. If I find *random_number* anti-Eteri posts in pretty Russian media by pretty Russian journalists within the last *random_number* weeks/months/years, you delete your profile from here due to complete impossibility to discuss the topic being non biased, non brainwashed and non xenophobic.

I guess we're getting into things that are not very easy to discuss.

Let's just say that i'm against any sort of censorship, freedom speech should always be guaranteed for the journalists even when they talk nonsense.

You can obviously criticize or denounce the journalist, ask for compensation even, and Tutberidze has so many fans that people would respond to it, but you shouldn't remove a person from his/her job. But that's me talking with the laws i have here in Italy, i understand it's different in Russia.

maybe not, but zero involvement in figure skating means her comments are irrelevant.

If i remember correctly she said in the interview on TSL that she tried Figure skating for months with even a coach to understand the fundamentals.

That's at least something.
 
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