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2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

"Kostornaia is a different story. For me, by the effect on the public she’s a reincarnation of Julia Lipnitskaya. The same diametrical difference between the angelic image on ice and the real person, and not in favor of the person."

i really do not understand where anyone is gathering that Aliona is bad person? what has this girl done? or even Yulia? is it bitterness that she's done so well this season and beaten the other 2 in international outings so far? what a terrible thing to say about a 16 year old.

It's an outrageous assertion about Alena as a person who this journalist does not know at all. It's also just more strangeness and weirdness from the Russian figure skating community. It seems like there's an endless supply of that. Aliona is resented because she's such a great skater with great skating skills it's so few others have. She also has great star power and you can see it in her eyes. Maybe people don't like it that she's the most outgoing of 4A. but aliona is not pushy or aggressive at all so I don't know what anyone's problem could be with her.

This journalist obviously favors Sasha that's okay but that should not influence her opinion of Aliona. But it does. And then there's ballerina Anna who wins an awful lot and does not flinch in the face of Aliona or Sasha nailing there programs.
 
This journalist obviously favors Sasha that's okay but that should not influence her opinion of Aliona. But it does. And then there's ballerina Anna who wins an awful lot and does not flinch in the face of Aliona or Sasha nailing there programs.
"This journalist" is notorious Elena Vaitsekhovskaya who's personal hate to Tutberidze is well-known and started many years ago. She thrashes TutberidzeTeam on a daily basis. She wants to destroy them and spreads gossips. That's why her accreditation was revoked by RusFed and she had to go from her last job at RIA Sport.
 
"This journalist" is notorious Elena Vaitsekhovskaya who's personal hate to Tutberidze is well-known and started many years ago. She thrashes TurberidzeTeam on a daily basis. She wants to destroy them and spreads gossips. That's why her accreditation was revoked by RusFed and she had to go from her last job at RIA Sport.

thanks for sharing, i didn't know this. I heard about Rodina before, but not this person. sad there are people out there with such pointless hateful agendas.
 
What a pathetic excuse for a human being. I wonder how inadequate a “journalist” one must be—how unfulfilling a career one must have, to resort to slandering teenage girls for a living. Then again, The Skating Lesson is a thing, so I guess there is a certain market for this type of garbage. :rolleye:
 
thanks for sharing, i didn't know this. I heard about Rodina before, but not this person. sad there are people out there with such pointless hateful agendas.
Rodina is just a niche blogger and former Medvedeva's fan and stalker. Vaits worked at main stream sports media, wrote a book about FS in Russia.
 
What a pathetic excuse for a human being. I wonder how inadequate a “journalist” one must be—how unfulfilling a career one must have, to resort to slandering teenage girls for a living. Then again, The Skating Lesson is a thing, so I guess there is a certain market for this type of garbage. :rolleye:
She was interviewed at TSL channel not so long ago.
 
The recent funny article from Vaitsehovskaya was when she tried to „compliment“ Medvedeva‘s WoO show, but really the article was trying to do some backhanded shade of Eteri.
The hilarious thing was, she went on about how good the Averbukh‘s NY show was, and then mixes up the name of the main character and uses the one from the similar russian fairy tale, not the one Medvedeva actually was playing. I mean... she clearly „went to see the show“ and just completely forgot the name of the main character :D
I don’t doubt it was a good show, I just doubt she saw it or maybe that she paid attention :D
 
New interview by Harutjunjan, in which he complains about the state of (very young) women's figure skating...



“The main danger that is approaching is the tendency for people like Medvedev to appear,” Harutyunyan began a conversation four years ago with this conclusion. “Bach! And she appeared. She was a favorite in the Grand Prix Final. Last year, Radionova was the year before last. "Our star Lipnitskaya. And that scares me, anyway."

- I want to see Kostornaya as an adult, - in December 2019, Harutyunyan did not speak, but prayed. - I do not want to be dared by little thin girls.
“But Kostornaya’s everything is alright with feminine skating.”
- So I want everything to be in order, and not for one or two seasons. I heard these words: "Zagitova had to be finished." How can one say that? She just started to ride beautifully, it's nice to look at her. Which "finish"? As a spectator and as a coach, I don’t want her to finish. I do not know what needs to be done for this. The only thing I know is that you don’t have to bring an 11 or 12 year old girl who jumps two or three quadruples and takes away the beautiful Alina Zagitova. Or can you say that you have already removed? Let not the 11-year-old. Why am I sad? Because Zagitova has a completely different presentation of figure skating.

Suspension of the heart: just do not make Zagitova lie
- Artificially, it’s all the same wrong to limit competition.
- The fact is that the one that sweeps Zagitova will fall under the whisk of another. So we will never see a mature ride. Well, collect mature girls in one pile ...

https://rsport.ria.ru/20200106/1562645924.html

I imagine that interviews like these bother Tutberidze (especially when they mention Lipnitskaya...:slink:
Selfish and completely delusional guy
 
thanks for sharing, i didn't know this. I heard about Rodina before, but not this person. sad there are people out there with such pointless hateful agendas.

This "journalist" has a long history of trashy comments about Alina Zagitova. Nobody should take seriously what she says.
 
This "journalist" has a long history of trashy comments about Alina Zagitova. Nobody should take seriously what she says.

A but OT, but I saw the Alina/Zenya dualism like a chance to discriminate between people loving skating and pure fanatics or one of the girls.
They're both so good you don't really really need to attack one to defend the other and if you love skating you will admire them both regardless of who your favourite is.

Same for 3A.
There is something really special in each of them.
 
"This journalist" is notorious Elena Vaitsekhovskaya who's personal hate to Tutberidze is well-known and started many years ago. She thrashes TutberidzeTeam on a daily basis. She wants to destroy them and spreads gossips. That's why her accreditation was revoked by RusFed and she had to go from her last job at RIA Sport.

She also trashed Tarasova in the 90s telling all the truth about the politics in Ice Dance and how that influenced Grishuk/Platov's success, then over the years she became a friend of her. So just because she criticized Tutberidze doesn't mean she has a personal hate.

Judging from an outside perspective, Vait might be wrong on many things, but RusFed's approach into this isn't right either. Right now in Russia you're either:

- Pro Eteri = pro the sysyem

- Anti-Eteri = your job as journalist won't last long.

This is very Soviet thinking, only positive comments, criticism is shutted down. That's bad too, Eteri is not like some god of figure skating, she made mistakes too, for one success, we don't know everything that is behind the scenes. (which is true for any coaches, not just her) You should instead accept the negative feedbacks, cause there might be some truth behind, you can always use to improve.

I don't always like Vait's approach but one thing i've always noticed is that she is very open: if she doesn't like something, she tells it. Not all journalists do this.

She clearly said that she's not interested on being a fan of certain skaters, like some fan do following athletes as their idols, but rather being a fan of the sport in general.
 
Selfish and completely delusional guy

You have to understand his perspective.

He built his success in the US, working and restoring aged athletes with Michelle Kwan, Adam Rippon and Ashley Wagner.

He's like Mishin and others, more on the camp of long lasting skaters so of course is not too positive about this type of development for a skater, winning everything in 2-3 years and then retire.
 
Arutunian:
So I want everything to be in order, and not for one or two seasons. I heard these words: "Zagitova had to be finished." How can one say that? She just started to skate beautifully, it's nice to look at her. What "finish"? As a spectator and as a coach, I don’t want her to finish.

Arutunian:
And all the kids are just fantastic. And I want to see them all as adults and beautiful. This is the only thing I stand for.

Albus (about Arutunian):
Selfish and completely delusional guy.

I'm sorry, I couldn't hold back :laugh:
 
Rodina is just a niche blogger and former Medvedeva's fan and stalker. Vaits worked at main stream sports media, wrote a book about FS in Russia.

She (Rodina) is still a stalker. She regularly films the girls at the airport, competition practice etc. in a very intrusive manner and uploads the videos on her YT channel.
 
She also trashed Tarasova in the 90s telling all the truth about the politics in Ice Dance and how that influenced Grishuk/Platov's success, then over the years she became a friend of her. So just because she criticized Tutberidze doesn't mean she has a personal hate.

Judging from an outside perspective, Vait might be wrong on many things, but RusFed's approach into this isn't right either. Right now in Russia you're either:

- Pro Eteri = pro the sysyem

- Anti-Eteri = your job as journalist won't last long.

This is very Soviet thinking, only positive comments, criticism is shutted down. That's bad too, Eteri is not like some god of figure skating, she made mistakes too, for one success, we don't know everything that is behind the scenes. (which is true for any coaches, not just her) You should instead accept the negative feedbacks, cause there might be some truth behind, you can always use to improve.

I don't always like Vait's approach but one thing i've always noticed is that she is very open: if she doesn't like something, she tells it. Not all journalists do this.

She clearly said that she's not interested on being a fan of certain skaters, like some fan do following athletes as their idols, but rather being a fan of the sport in general.

I mean, I do believe Vaitsekhovskaya was actually tying to be a legitimate journalist, but she completely lost the plot when it came to Eteri.

She accused her of “pushing” Adelina out of the Team Event (where it made like 0 sense for Eteri to do that), and Eteri confronted her on that publicly, so Vaits had to apologize, and it became a personal thing to her at that point.

I mean look at it: she trashed Yulia day in, day out, right until the point where Yulia leaves. 1 month training with Urmanov, Vaits goes “Yulia is so mature now, you can see it, Yulia is so great”... okay, 1 time she could get a pass, that it’s just her opinion, nothing wrong with thinking there’s a drastic change.
Then she proceeds to being very mean to Evgenia, to the point where Tarasova complained about Vaitsekhovskaya’s unfair criticism on live tv. And then, as soon as Evgenia leaves, she invites her to an interview, suddenly her attitude completely changes.
Then she went on to be mean to Alina. How can we forget her comments about worlds 19 “Alina was limping towards the finish line like a plane with only one wing functioning”... simply incredible.

Now it’s Aliona’s turn, Aliona’s character is so bad, bla bla bla.

I mean, I would buy her criticism to a degree, but at this point she demonstrated a pattern. If she wants to get at Eteri, she should try to attack her directly, not involve these teens into it with her never ending bashing and hate.

I’m all for free speech, but some things just aren’t right. If people tell me she got fired unfairly, I’d probably question that really hard.
R sport is a respectable news outlet, they are into professional, non clickbait delivery of the material, they’re not some cheap sports website, but part of a big network, I honestly think they’ve just had enough of her scandalous manner of journalism. It’s not what they’re about.
She can get a job at some yellow page breitbart type news outlet if she wants to, that seems more fitting to her style of journalism in recent few years. But spinning it into her being a political victim? puh-leaaase.
 
This "journalist" has a long history of trashy comments about Alina Zagitova. Nobody should take seriously what she says.
she should be taken seriously when she threatens Alina.

She also trashed Tarasova in the 90s telling all the truth about the politics in Ice Dance and how that influenced Grishuk/Platov's success, then over the years she became a friend of her. So just because she criticized Tutberidze doesn't mean she has a personal hate.

Judging from an outside perspective, Vait might be wrong on many things, but RusFed's approach into this isn't right either. Right now in Russia you're either:

- Pro Eteri = pro the sysyem

- Anti-Eteri = your job as journalist won't last long.

This is very Soviet thinking, only positive comments, criticism is shutted down. That's bad too, Eteri is not like some god of figure skating, she made mistakes too, for one success, we don't know everything that is behind the scenes. (which is true for any coaches, not just her) You should instead accept the negative feedbacks, cause there might be some truth behind, you can always use to improve.

I don't always like Vait's approach but one thing i've always noticed is that she is very open: if she doesn't like something, she tells it. Not all journalists do this.

She clearly said that she's not interested on being a fan of certain skaters, like some fan do following athletes as their idols, but rather being a fan of the sport in general.
Criticisms are not shut down on a Eteri and her girls. They are in fact non freaking stop. Unfortunately.

I mean, I do believe Vaitsekhovskaya was actually tying to be a legitimate journalist, but she completely lost the plot when it came to Eteri.

She accused her of “pushing” Adelina out of the Team Event (where it made like 0 sense for Eteri to do that), and Eteri confronted her on that publicly, so Vaits had to apologize, and it became a personal thing to her at that point.

I mean look at it: she trashed Yulia day in, day out, right until the point where Yulia leaves. 1 month training with Urmanov, Vaits goes “Yulia is so mature now, you can see it, Yulia is so great”... okay, 1 time she could get a pass, that it’s just her opinion, nothing wrong with thinking there’s a drastic change.
Then she proceeds to being very mean to Evgenia, to the point where Tarasova complained about Vaitsekhovskaya’s unfair criticism on live tv. And then, as soon as Evgenia leaves, she invites her to an interview, suddenly her attitude completely changes.
Then she went on to be mean to Alina. How can we forget her comments about worlds 19 “Alina was limping towards the finish line like a plane with only one wing functioning”... simply incredible.

Now it’s Aliona’s turn, Aliona’s character is so bad, bla bla bla.

I mean, I would buy her criticism to a degree, but at this point she demonstrated a pattern. If she wants to get at Eteri, she should try to attack her directly, not involve these teens into it with her never ending bashing and hate.

I’m all for free speech, but some things just aren’t right. If people tell me she got fired unfairly, I’d probably question that really hard.
R sport is a respectable news outlet, they are into professional, non clickbait delivery of the material, they’re not some cheap sports website, but part of a big network, I honestly think they’ve just had enough of her scandalous manner of journalism. It’s not what they’re about.
She can get a job at some yellow page breitbart type news outlet if she wants to, that seems more fitting to her style journalism in recent few years. But spinning it into her being a political victim? puh-leaaase.

Wow Nuss you listed many instances of this journalists vindictiveness. No wonder Eteri cannot stand this person. Legitimate criticisms are one thing but this is over the top with all the incidents you listed. Funny how this journalist couldn't stand Yulia until she left Eteri and then couldn't stand Zhenya until she left Eteri. It kind of makes you go hmmmm. It would be the same with Alina except she did not leave eteri. ;) it's been proven that this female journalist does not hide her disdain for the great coach and her great athletes. That cannot be denied. Guilty as charged! And if Eteri had her fired too damn bad. TAT is next! ;)
 
she should be taken seriously when she threatens Alina.

Vaitsekovskaya did not exactly threaten Alina, that was Rodina, who said among else that she wants to cut Alina's face with a knife (and who is still followed by some :confused2:), but V. was truly unprofessional in many of her actions. So I agree with nussnacker completely, making her a "victim of the system" is just :rolleye:
 
thanks for sharing, i didn't know this. I heard about Rodina before, but not this person. sad there are people out there with such pointless hateful agendas.

Rodina is pretty repulsive it's like she's the love child of this Vait woman who is basically ruined her own career hope for her hatred of one woman and her phenomenal students. It truly makes no sense. but Vait made her own bed and now has to lay in it. It's the same with this hack Rodina. They both have truly done this to themselves. fair criticisms of this legendary coach eteri is one thing but these two have gone over the top and unnecessarily so.
 
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