2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Amei]

How’s the triple axel coming for Guliakova?

Didn't Shcherbakova I think mention about getting a triple axel since it can be done in the Short program? Eteri's female skaters for the most part always have some strange double axels so it will be interesting to see a triple axel can come from that camp and be landed consistently (though their wonky doubles are usually landed)

What exactly will help Vasilieva stand out? I felt her programs were very bland last season. What is her best style?

She's still so young and hasn't had a lot of variety in her types of programs so I think we should wait a year or 2 or 3 before we say what her 'best style' is; I'd like to see them do something not as soft and lyrical - maybe like a Sabre Dance?

HHas Adelina Sotnikova been in any shows recently?

She did Plushenko's Nutcracker but that was a few months ago. Maybe Alina should talk to Adelina about choreographing Bad Guy

 

[Bluediamonds09]

You’ve missed a lot
Tarakanova is back to Panova, to Snow Leopards. Panova commented they’re planning to learn quads and 3A.

Haven’t heard about Tarusina‘s new programs, but her coach also commented they’ll be learning quads and 3A. However, later after that, I heard Tarusina was answering some questions on Instagram, someone asked about her progress with learning new jumps and apparently she said it was nothing serious from the beginning (that they weren’t actually planning/trying to learn those jumps). So probably Davydov was saying that to keep Tarusina relevant in the eyes of the fed.

You know what thoughts this brings to me?
It’s so hard to be a russian female skater right now, feels like besides being consistent and amazing on all levels, all coaches of those girls have to constantly do politicking to keep their girls relevant, as it helps with getting assignments, funding, etc.

Thanks. So, Tarakanova is planning more difficult jumps, but we haven’t seen any video of her practicing them this summer yet. And Tarusina is not going to add a quad (I didn’t think so, her jumps are so small). And what about Alina’s supposed 4F ? I thought I saw an interview in her fan fest with her saying that mistakes are now punished so severely that she just plans on skating clean. Is this true?

 

[Scott512]

I completely understand your frustration. I felt it too yesterday, and it was increased because it was super late and I was SO not having it. But on the bright side there are still plenty that see the situation for what it is, and who are not just doing the defending because they're fans of them (and here I mean of Daniil/ Eteri team).

Although what upsets me the most is that anyone who has a different opinion gets the same label, which is usually "Evgenia fan", even in cases where Evgenia is not related to the situation.

Edit: Point is, such harsh language is still not needed, in my opinion

I agree with you Vandeska. as for myself I let my negativity most of the week carry over to this controversy and I used verbiage I wish I could take back about Jojo even though I used sarcasm and humor . It did not work out and for that I apologize. I've been posting here for almost five and a half years on and off and I'm generally known if someone who's very positive and uplifting. But I made mistakes and misjudgments now and Van like everyone else.

For those who want to continue the JoJo discussion maybe a separate thread can be open for that because this controversy was about Jojo and Danil. Not Russian ladies.

in the end I hope this gets worked out and JoJo gets the credit for the choreography or they do a different choreography for the bad guy that has no JoJo look to it.

 

[Tere19]

A new interview from Polina T. they did it with Daria panenkova too.
My decision has nothing to do with Zhenya Medvedeva, although there were many statements that she pulled me along. But this decision is ripe for me and my family. I lost faith in myself. There are a lot of strong girls in the group who are learning new jumps, progressing - they are small, nimble, jumping.

Eteri Georgievna - the person who has a system has a clear understanding of how and when to work. If she sees that you can - even if you show by your appearance that “not today, I can’t, I don’t want to,” she will force you.

I began to answer her, maybe somewhere to disobey. Of course, Eteri Georgievna does not like it - she begins to swear, to put you in place, to explain to you that you are wrong. During that transitional period, this caused a very great offense: “Why, how do you dare say that?” Although at a younger age you thought: “Why do they say that to me? We need to do better so that there is no reason to find fault. ”

This man really became my own - I spent all the time on the rink, communicated with Eteri Georgievna. She brought up in me a character, an understanding of life, for which I am extremely grateful to her. When I left her - a year ago - it was probably not very beautiful: I did not fit, did not thank, did not give flowers. We greeted at the competition, but nothing more. I congratulated her on her birthday, and on this our communication was limited.

Then I did it because I was uncomfortable in front of her - for five years she put her soul into me, gave all of herself, and I'm leaving her. I was embarrassed, scared to go to her, ”said Tsurskaya on the TV channel “Golden Rain

 

[anonymoose_au]

A bit off-topic but wasn‘t the GPF originally with 8 skaters?

I think it was always 6, but for a few seasons there used to be a Super Final between the top two skaters at the end of the event. So there would be another warm up of just two skaters.

I wonder why they stopped doing that?

 

[Amei]

I think it was always 6, but for a few seasons there used to be a Super Final between the top two skaters at the end of the event. So there would be another warm up of just two skaters.

I wonder why they stopped doing that?

Skaters also used to be able to skate at more than 2 events, Sasha Cohen had several seasons where she did 3.

 

[Jeanie19]

Skaters also used to be able to skate at more than 2 events, Sasha Cohen had several seasons where she did 3.

But one did not count. You had to select which two counted.

 

[Seruleane]

When I left her - a year ago - it was probably not very beautiful: I did not fit, did not thank, did not give flowers. We greeted at the competition, but nothing more. I congratulated her on her birthday, and on this our communication was limited.

Then I did it because I was uncomfortable in front of her - for five years she put her soul into me, gave all of herself, and I'm leaving her. I was embarrassed, scared to go to her, ”said Tsurskaya on the TV channel “Golden Rain

I appreciate Polina's honesty, and suspect this is often what happens when athletes leave their longtime coach. Sometimes, it may seem there is no way to leave gracefully or without great heartache/embarrassment on both sides, and it is just easier to leave quickly without much acknowledgement. It sounds like this was the case with many skaters and their coaches (Elena R and Inna Goncharenko, Adelina and Buyanova, etc.)

 

[Tere19]

I though Elena and Inna parted in good terms ....but i think Polina is now fine about all that because Eteri didnt make a fuss about her departure without a proper goodbye and flowers...

 

[Scott512]

A new interview from Polina T. they did it with Daria panenkova too.
My decision has nothing to do with Zhenya Medvedeva, although there were many statements that she pulled me along. But this decision is ripe for me and my family. I lost faith in myself. There are a lot of strong girls in the group who are learning new jumps, progressing - they are small, nimble, jumping.

Eteri Georgievna - the person who has a system has a clear understanding of how and when to work. If she sees that you can - even if you show by your appearance that “not today, I can’t, I don’t want to,” she will force you.

I began to answer her, maybe somewhere to disobey. Of course, Eteri Georgievna does not like it - she begins to swear, to put you in place, to explain to you that you are wrong. During that transitional period, this caused a very great offense: “Why, how do you dare say that?” Although at a younger age you thought: “Why do they say that to me? We need to do better so that there is no reason to find fault. ”

This man really became my own - I spent all the time on the rink, communicated with Eteri Georgievna. She brought up in me a character, an understanding of life, for which I am extremely grateful to her. When I left her - a year ago - it was probably not very beautiful: I did not fit, did not thank, did not give flowers. We greeted at the competition, but nothing more. I congratulated her on her birthday, and on this our communication was limited.

Then I did it because I was uncomfortable in front of her - for five years she put her soul into me, gave all of herself, and I'm leaving her. I was embarrassed, scared to go to her, ”said Tsurskaya on the TV channel “Golden Rain

Thank you. It must be very difficult to leave eteri. I don't know why she would be scared of her coach. It's not like Eteri would give her a spanking or something. Polina is so different than all the other Russian girls so I wish she was still involved with figure skating even if it was only doing shows.

 

[Tere19]

Дарья Паненкова :
(I had to laught about the part when she was caught buying chocolate at novogorsk and was worried Eteri was going to use that to make fun of her for a long time ...)
Daria Panenkova: “When I was drawn for sweets, the coaches somehow caught me in the store. I was afraid that Tutberidze would be teasing for a long time. ”

Russian figure skater Daria Panenkova told why she left the group Eteri Tutberidze.

“The fight began with weight. I was more drawn to the sweet - all sorts of chocolates. Even somehow the coaches caught me in the store. Then I was not funny. Eteri Georgievna is more on the positive, she teases, and I was scared that she would tease hard and long.

I went to every workout with pain, and I had a fear that my leg would break. Eteri Georgievna said "go calm down" because I was crying.

In the locker room, when the training was already over, Eteri Georgievna told me: “Either you go out to the younger ones on the ice, or you leave.” And I said I'm leaving. I packed up and left the training camp, ”said Panenkova on the TV channel“ Rain ”

 

[nussnacker]

I feel sorry for Daria in this.
I feel like she left in the moment of weakness, and decided things on impulse, teens are sometimes too emotional to think rationally.
As she said herself later, Eteri tried to persuade her to stay and try again (I assume like she did with Alina), but Daria decided to quit fs.
After hibernating at home, she realized she wanted to go back to Eteri, but it was too late.
Who knows, maybe Eteri will take her back.

 

[Scott512]

I feel sorry for Daria in this.
I feel like she left in the moment of weakness, and decided things on impulse, teens are sometimes too emotional to think rationally.
As she said herself later, Eteri tried to persuade her to stay and try again (I assume like she did with Alina), but Daria decided to quit fs.
After hibernating at home, she realized she wanted to go back to Eteri, but it was too late.
Who knows, maybe Eteri will take her back.

I think Daria is only 16 so maybe she can make a comeback. I'm sorry for her leg injury and all the other pain she had. Figure skating is a brutal sport even for all these beautiful girls in it. So taxing physically and mentally. It hurts to read what dariya and Polina went through.

 

[rlopen]

About GPF, I don’t know why they can’t just run it as a normal Grand Prix with the 12 best women skating it out. That way if someone bombs a GP but gets 1st at another one, it isn’t the end of the GP series for them...I know that the GP used to not be that prestigious, but nowadays it’s one of the most exciting parts of the figure skating season and there is an insane level of depth in all disciplines. It’s time the GPF reflected that, especially because Worlds does not accurately reflect the level of depth of the best figure skaters in the world with the limits on nations (I really only think Olympics should have nation limits...but the Worlds nation limit is never gonna change.)

 

[Anya00]

Tarakanova came back to snow lepards and svetlana accepted her back and even celebrated her birthday there...very good if you consider they didnt part in ver good terms (same with kanysheva) they are training a quad and she is going to stay one more season in juniors.

What do you mean by Kanysheva didn’t part in very good terms?

 

[Grin]

Eteri's female skaters for the most part always have some strange double axels so it will be interesting to see a triple axel can come from that camp and be landed consistently (though their wonky doubles are usually landed)

Do tell me how wonky Alena's double axel is.
Also you can watch Lilbet doing 3A at Eteri show.
Who could have guessed that I will be glad to see typical anti-Eteri mantra in this thread. That JoJo can make wonders.

 

[Fluture]

Do tell me how wonky Alena's double axel is.
Also you can watch Lilbet doing 3A at Eteri show.
Who could have guessed that I will be glad to see typical anti-Eteri mantra in this thread. That JoJo can make wonders.

Alena hasn‘t learned her axel technique from Eteri, though. It has always been an excellent jump for her. Lil‘Bet has had a pretty good axel as well but it‘s definitely true that she improved her rotational speed to get that 3A. So, credit where credit is due. It’s just that the students that have learned their 2A technique from Eteri have a pretty weak and swingy one - see Zhenya and Anna.

It‘s not anti-Eteri mantra. I don‘t doubt for one that she‘ll (and Dudakov) be able to help Sasha get that 3A. Alena when she’s recovered as well. And Anna probably too. It’s just interesting because Anna‘s 2A really doesn’t look as if she could pull off a 3A. But then again, her 3Lz doesn’t look either as if a quad way possible. And still here we are.

 

[BossT]

Veronika & Alyona ZHILINA - Spins, Cantilever, MOONWALK, practice (06/2019)
https://youtu.be/ocsoHd4neI0

 

[icetug]

Дарья Паненкова :
In the locker room, when the training was already over, Eteri Georgievna told me: “Either you go out to the younger ones on the ice, or you leave.” And I said I'm leaving. I packed up and left the training camp, ”

I remember an interview with one of former Eteri's girl (sorry, I can't remind which one) who left her team in the same circumstances - when she was shifted to the younger group of skaters. And as I understood, she took it as a comedown, moreover - a kind of humiliation. In Daria's case I feel this could be a crucial reason she decided (and I'm not denying that too rashly) to leave, as she was the second oldest girl in the team, preparing to her senior debut, so moving to the younger group must have seemed horrible for her...
Must say I feel terribly sorry for Daria as she faced so many difficulties in her first senior season. Are there any news of her? Is she going to continue?

 

[nussnacker]

Alena hasn‘t learned her axel technique from Eteri, though. It has always been an excellent jump for her. Lil‘Bet has had a pretty good axel as well but it‘s definitely true that she improved her rotational speed to get that 3A. So, credit where credit is due. It’s just that the students that have learned their 2A technique from Eteri have a pretty weak and swingy one - see Zhenya and Anna.

It‘s not anti-Eteri mantra. I don‘t doubt for one that she‘ll (and Dudakov) be able to help Sasha get that 3A. Alena when she’s recovered as well. And Anna probably too. It’s just interesting because Anna‘s 2A really doesn’t look as if she could pull off a 3A. But then again, her 3Lz doesn’t look either as if a quad way possible. And still here we are.

I don’t think that’s accurate.
In a way, things depend on the skaters a lot too.
We have seen all sorts of jumpers with wonky techniques and beautiful techniques coming from the same schools from the same coaches, sometimes a coach can teach that person do it correctly, sometimes he/she can’t. Sometimes a student can learn it, sometimes he/she can’t.
Look at Tuktamysheva and Samodurova, both were raised by Mishin, the greatest jump specialist out there, Liza jumps textbook, yet Sofia’s jumps are pretty low and far from textbook. Coach isn’t a magician that simply teach everyone the same technique. Coaches have to teach everyone differently. That’s why skaters end up with different techniques coming from the same coach.
(Btw, I want to credit Panova here, her track record with her students is quite impressive)

When it comes to skaters themselves, some have stronger edge jumps, some are stronger toe jumpers, so it all depends not only on the coaching but also on the student. Nathan is a natural jumper, has very good toe jumping technique, yet his axel isn’t as good and he often makes mistakes. At the same time we have Shoma, who’s often critiqued for his flip and lutz, but his axel is way better than that of Nathan’s.

TCC is given credit for technique, yet Stephen, the guy who actually was taught everything starting from scratch at TCC, has a horrible technique on quite a few jumps. So for every good case, there’s a bad case too.

Overall, I think people got used to blaming Eteri when the technique is bad, but when it’s good, then it’s not Eteri who taught it that should work both ways
You found an example of Elizabeth doing well with Eteri with her axel, same can apply for Sofia who also learned 3A there. For every example there can be a counter example