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2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

I missed the Russian Cup ladies sp. So, Guliakova is skating to Carmen? What is Talalakina using as her sp music?
Does the ladies free skate conclude today?
 
I think something was wrong with the ice, or the rink today. I heard someone say it was too small which threw off everyone's patterns, but I think the ice itself might have been a problem. It seemed like all day long there were strange issues, people losing edges, etc.

Stasya wrote on her instagram "...Unfortunately, before the short program I had a problem with my right skate. And I still don't know if it's solvable at all, but I tried to deal with it until the last minute. Of course, such "minor things" in principle should not be of interest to anyone. This skating did not show my real readiness for the season, but there is a bad result. I do not give up, I have to cope with this failure and continue to work. Thanks to those who support"
 
Alexandra the Great, what an emphatic depute. I will wait for the next competitions with better quality videos and more cameras to enjoy her programs and make better conclusions. I hope Japan Open rewards us in that aspect and she skates even better. She had some problem(s) in step sequence and probably got tired by the end of FS or just overwhelmed by the first surreal part. I find her spins nicely done on the contrary to what many people say, she may lack in how they look aesthetically compared to some other top skaters but they are very on point technically.
 
I hear you but even in her horrible shape she is far better than Gracie was when she skated in russia last year. It is so sad to see her decline but it can't help with all the pressure from her compatriots. It is sad when the defending world and olympic champion is not a sure thing to go to worlds forget about the w two time world champ, o lympic silver medallist and current world bronze medallist looks so far out contention right now.
There is nothing sad about it. Its called comepetition and sport. And I wish some of you would finally understand that at the end all the counts is the result and only that.
 
There's a young chinese skater gaining some attention: https://www.instagram.com/p/B2jHTTQIZic/ https://www.instagram.com/nini_fanclub/

The reason I'm pointing her out here is that at age 12 almost 13 she is still competing at rhythmic gymnastics. Which makes me wonder, why don't we see more skaters from Russia with a background in rhythmic gymnastics? I think this kind of training can help with both flexibility and presentation(though there might be a downsides elsewhere... maybe jumps). It cultivates a different and perhaps complimentary set of motor skills and mentality. I'm sure cost is probably the main driver but I bet parents and children are probably told to specialize early(7 or so). I can't help but think there's room for a camp that can train girls in both up till age 10-11(maybe 12).
 
Cup of Russia. Stage 1. Juniors + Ladies' FS.
Live stream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9bthMk0f4M

Todays start lists are here:
Girls KMS https://fsrussia.ru/results/1920/1etap/SEG010.HTM
Women MS https://fsrussia.ru/results/1920/1etap/SEG012.HTM

Sof'ya Akat'yeva is #23, and probably very keen on making up yesterday's mistakes that had her end in in the penultimate flight.
The top flight has her team mate Adeliya Petrosyan #25
Along with Sof'ya Samodelkina #24 and four other skaters that did very well in the short program.
 
She still ended up below Ivett Toth and that should be embarrassing enough for her to give up her GP spot.

What a terrible thing to say. She had a bad competition. It is early in the season. She may be motivated to improve by this low result. She, also, earned her spot through past results. These are the rules. She is absolutely under no obligation to do anything. I hope she has a great season.
 
There is nothing sad about it. Its called comepetition and sport. And I wish some of you would finally understand that at the end all the counts is the result and only that.

What a horrible way to view sports... especially a beautiful artistic sport like figure skating.. Many things matter more than winning... Many of the performances that are best remembered in this sport did not win the gold
 
Heel-ography? Is that analogous to 'armography' a term I learned from BBC's "Strictly Come Dancing" show daily features with this ballet critic and his 'magic wand'? Completely off topic, I know.

But what do you mean by 'heel-ography'?

Edwin, you need to be more lenient. What they mean is that they have no idea that Alina's Carmen was in a way a tribute to Maya Plisetskaya and her Carmen Suite performance, where the heel move that was appreciated by ballet dancers/specialists comes from.
 
She still ended up below Ivett Toth and that should be embarrassing enough for her to give up her GP spot.

Horrible comment. Not only is it disrespectful to Ivett but Sotskova as well. She‘s struggling, yes, but she earned that GP spot. There is a certain criteria and she fulfilled it. And in no way should she be “embarrassed enough to give up her GP spot“. What kind of person are you, to talk about a skater who works hard everyday like that? Especially after everything Maria‘s gone through? Seriously.

There is nothing sad about it. Its called comepetition and sport. And I wish some of you would finally understand that at the end all the counts is the result and only that.

Wow. This is so sad I don‘t even know what to say. Is this really what this sport, or any sport really, is about? I hope it‘s not because otherwise I should ask myself why I‘m still watching... Of course results matter but they shouldn‘t be the end all be all. Sometimes it‘s the journey that‘s far more interesting than the result will ever be.
 
Horrible comment. Not only is it disrespectful to Ivett but Sotskova as well. She‘s struggling, yes, but she earned that GP spot. There is a certain criteria and she fulfilled it. And in no way should she be “embarrassed enough to give up her GP spot“. What kind of person are you, to talk about a skater who works hard everyday like that? Especially after everything Maria‘s gone through? Seriously.



Wow. This is so sad I don‘t even know what to say. Is this really what this sport, or any sport really, is about? I hope it‘s not because otherwise I should ask myself why I‘m still watching... Of course results matter but they shouldn‘t be the end all be all. Sometimes it‘s the journey that‘s far more interesting than the result will ever be.

not sure if you got the context - please read again. so you rather give sotskova lets say a spot for european instead of lets say zhenya because she has a hard time privetly at the moment not caring about results? thats is wow for me. you all complain about reputation scoring. however when it is in favor for your favorites than it woud be ok. sad an unfair
 
I have to disagree about Sotskova. Today she had the chance to prove herself, but instead she was spiralling down even further. I admire her will to not give up, but today it was clear that she has lost her jumps, lost her stamina. So I don't think she is fighting enough. Everyone can have a bad day, and should be encouraged to come back from that. Sotskova has now had a bad year and I don't see any improvements. Of course she can control her assignments - she got that GP spot because she wanted to, and because she still ranks high enough in the world standings. But I doubt that she can finish in the top 10 at GP France (out of 12).

But what is really unfair though, is that because of that GP spot Maria also has a free ticket to RusNats. Does she really want to go there and fight for the last places like last year?. Meanwhile, there are many talented hungry girls that fight for their lives in the Group Stages of Russian Cup to grab one of the 5-6 places that's left for them. So no, I don't think Sotskova shall hold on to her spots just because she can, when she at the same time is making it harder for the ones who would love the opportunity to show themselves.

Tsurskaya had a bad year last season as well. She knew that she had to fight harder than ever to come back and realised she didn't have the motivation for that. She publically said so. As much as I loved Tsurskaya and hated to see her go, I admire her decision to resign. I am not saying Maria should resign, if she wants to skate and doesn't want to give up. Fine. But she has to fight. It was clear to me comparing Sakhanovich and Sotskova today. It was like night and day. One is a fighter - the other not - imo.

Couldn't disagree more about this. Sotskova got her GP spot because, according to the criteria, she deserved it. She earned it. If she bombs this year, she won't get any GP spot next year. It's as simple as that. You don't know if she "wants to go there and fight for the last places like last year". I don't know either. She should do what she feels is right and if skating at Nationals is what she wants - good for her for going for it. It is not her obligation to give up a spot to another girl if she rightfully earned it. She is an athlete and she has to look after herself. And if she feels she can improve and doesn't want to go without skating, by any means, she should do it. As for the Russian Nationals - it is not Masha's fault that rusfed is too lazy to introduce another flight. People would watch all these girls and they'd love to. Russian figure skating is immensely popular at the moment. All these girls "fighting for their lives" wouldn't have to if there simply was another group of 6 girls like there should have been a long time ago really. Of course, I feel for them because it's not fair that they can't go to Nationals even though they'd deserve it. It broke my heart last year when Sima couldn't make it. But that's not Sotskova's fault and she shouldn't be held responsible for holding back other girls just because she doesn't give up a spot she earned for herself. RusFed has enough girls who deserve to skate at Nationals. Sotskova has one spot, that's not nearly enough for all the likes of Gulyakova, Nugumanova, Gubanova, Talalaikina... they'd be able to make up another flight just fine. Test skates were broadcasted on National television. So, why then doesn't rusfed realise tht and add another flight? That's the real question here, not why Sotskova is unwilling to give up a GP event.

Tsurskaya didn't have the motivation to competitively skate any longer and she retired. Good for her for realising that. Sotskova apparently feels she can go further and wants to skate. Good for her too. Of course she will have to fight if she wants a chance at GP events and the like. She's not any different from all the other Russian girls in that aspect. If she's not doing well this year (and so far it looks like she isn't), then she will not get any events next year. Kanysheva, Tarusina, Tarakanova, Sinitsyna... there are enough waiting in line. But I don't think a lot of you realise how difficult it is to lose a parent at such a young age and to insinuate that Sotskova isn't fighting is just plain unfair in my eyes. She's going to university and skating competitively. I'd say she's doing more than enough. And again, if she finishes out of the top 10 at her GP event and does badly at Nats, she'll be out of contention for next year anyway. Give the spots to girls who are capable of skating at a high level then. But I don't see why she should "feel embarrassed" and therefore give up her GP event this season. That's just mean and to me it shows a lot of the character of people who write this and their lack of basic human compassion. I'm not even a fan of Sotskova's skating, never have, probably never will be. But I just hate when people talk about these girls like that and forget that they're human beings who fight harder everyday than they probably can even imagine.
 
not sure if you got the context - please read again. so you rather give sotskova lets say a spot for european instead of lets say zhenya because she has a hard time privetly at the moment not caring about results? thats is wow for me. you all complain about reputation scoring. however when it is in favor for your favorites than it woud be ok. sad an unfair

When did I eve say that?? It could not be more obvious that Sotskova is as far away from making the Euros team as probably possible. And by the way, it's not like Zhenya is all that likely to make it herself this year. Too many girls for only three spots. So, I don't get that question. Give the girls the spots that deserve them. Of course I'd prefer to see Zhenya skate live at Euros. But I'm not pretending that it's likely to happen and if other girls skate better at Nationals, they'll deserve it more. End of question. I do care about results, this is a sport after all. And I would not give Sotskova anything just because she's struggling privately other than basic human decency and respect. I don't think she should be judged more leniently, I don't think she should be given any spots she doesn't deserve. All I'm saying is that some of the harsh comments here, saying "she should be embarrassed" etc are way too harsh and out of line. She earned her spot this year. If she skates miserably she won't get anything for next year anyway and rightfully so.

And btw, I answered to your comment in a different context, not exactly related to Sotskova. It was more the "results are the only thing that mattered" that bothered me. And Sotskova is far from my favourite, I don't even like her skating and have criticized her rather harshly in the past. But it's a bit different to judge someone's results and skating than attacking them personally for lacking "motivation" or "fighting qualities" and saying they should give up their spots out of embarrassment.
 
When did I eve say that?? It could not be more obvious that Sotskova is as far away from making the Euros team as probably possible. And by the way, it's not like Zhenya is all that likely to make it herself this year. Too many girls for only three spots. So, I don't get that question. Give the girls the spots that deserve them. Of course I'd prefer to see Zhenya skate live at Euros. But I'm not pretending that it's likely to happen and if other girls skate better at Nationals, they'll deserve it more. End of question. I do care about results, this is a sport after all. And I would not give Sotskova anything just because she's struggling privately other than basic human decency and respect. I don't think she should be judged more leniently, I don't think she should be given any spots she doesn't deserve. All I'm saying is that some of the harsh comments here, saying "she should be embarrassed" etc are way too harsh and out of line. She earned her spot this year. If she skates miserably she won't get anything for next year anyway and rightfully so.

And btw, I answered to your comment in a different context, not exactly related to Sotskova. It was more the "results are the only thing that mattered" that bothered me. And Sotskova is far from my favourite, I don't even like her skating and have criticized her rather harshly in the past. But it's a bit different to judge someone's results and skating than attacking them personally for lacking "motivation" or "fighting qualities" and saying they should give up their spots out of embarrassment.

well than learn to answer comments in the correct context. especially if u are impling how bad u feel about people who actually think that in the end the result should matter and not the rest.
 
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