2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
- Thread starter Spirals for Miles
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uhh let me jus pop in n say tat i feel both trusova and zagitova programs suit them so well tis season. I know ppl hate on danill fr his choreo n well i might understand why last season but he did a rly good job tis time. Anyway cheers to both of them n i hope they both do rly well n maybe we'll have record breaking scores every comp
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uhh let me jus pop in n say tat i feel both trusova and zagitova programs suit them so well tis season. I know ppl hate on danill fr his choreo n well i might understand why last season but he did a rly good job tis time. Anyway cheers to both of them n i hope they both do rly well n maybe we'll have record breaking scores every comp
Please use normal, human comprehensible language on this board
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I watched, and Alina really skated well. 154 is a score that she could have gotten at any other competition with a generous judging panel. I feel that the other skaters' score is a bigger problem. Especially Rika, which was way too low. But let's hope this is not an indicative on how the ISU competitions will be scored. Still well done to the girls.
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Alina's behaviour? Hmmmm. She just says so many controversial things. Maybe you have her mixed up with Nastya G.
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Okay, thank you for explaining. I too said that TES seemed very low for a layout with 4 quads and whatnot. I still think that.
However, if we look at TES as a whole, it also includes GOE and spins and stuff like that. And at the moment Alina (and not only her) is miles above Sasha in quality on spins for example. So, I do see quite a big difference here. But of course, that‘s not exactly something that would have that much of an impact. Then, there’s the landings on Sasha‘s jumps. I mean, she jumps quads and 4 of them, that‘s crazy! I don‘t want to take anything away from that. But still... no matter how amazing that is, her landings today still looked.. laboured a bit.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3PCwBYHauE/?igshid=tanbd68ner32
Here are the jumps. Really, the only three that were deserving of high GOE here are the 4Lz, the solo 3Lz and the 2A. The rest has either a hand-down or a shaky landing. No matter how amazing the fact is that she jumps 4 quads, she shouldn’t automatically be given high GOE because of that.And given how strict the judges have shown to be this season, it would not surprise me if they‘d called the two 4Ts and the 3Lo on the combo under either. I‘m not knowledgeable enough to say they are and the stream I watched wasn‘t as good to judge accurately, but there is a small hook on the landing and just saying that‘s what could explain the “low“ TES score (in which universe 97 has now become low but that‘s not the point here) Whereas, if we compare jumps and other elements to Alina, she‘ll rack GOE up on all of them. So, if Sasha stays in the 1-2 range for most of her elements whereas Alina gets 4s and 5s and Sasha gets some carrots as well.... That can make a difference. Idk. I thought Sasha would break 100 easily with a layout like that but I can say how she wouldn‘t. It will definitely be interesting to see the protocols.
Also, as for the comparison between Alina, Rika Evgenia and Sasha. I do disagree that Sasha has a full program. I mean, I just watched it and with those four quads, half of it is preparation. I’m sorry to say it like this but choreography seems like an afterthought. Her skating skills are good in principle but she gets sloppy as she runs out of steam. It’s just painfully obvious that the main focus is on the quads and basically all areas of PCS other than transitions have been neglected. And that’s okay, I guess, she’s making history, skating beautifully isn’t priority here. But that‘s not the point anyway since it‘s about TES here.
But I have to say this WAS a competition and Rika scored only 144 (what happened there btw?) so even if Sasha had only landed three quads, she‘d still have won. And I believe that she would have won with three quads against Alina too. She would have had another triple triple combo instead of the quad then. And maybe she’d have got higher GOE on that too. The fourth quad doesn‘t really make that much of a difference because it replaces a triple. Zhenya‘s best score is 142, two points lower than what Rika got here. If this was a competition and Sasha had only jumped three quads she would have ended up first anyway. So, while I do agree that Sasha‘s TES seems low in perspective of the layout she had and in comparison to others (Alina), I don‘t think the score warrants the amount of outrage some have shown here.
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True! Let's hope they give 80-82 in the short to Sasha on Skate Canada and Rostelecom, and 170 in the free, and that no reputation scoring will go in her way :agree:
And even if it does, she's still going to win anyways :yay:
You want Sasha to score 250 right out of the box? Lol. Many excellent girls and ladies can barely break 200. Hmmm.
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Wow both Alina and Sasha were amazing today! I loved seeing both of their smiles at the end of their programs!! Did anyone else see Javi's reaction to that massive quad salchow in the background of the replay?! I wanted to see Nathan's reaction Both girls did amazing, regardless of the scores. Team Tutberidize is fighting for all of those world spots and as of right now, I would give them all three if I were the russian fed.
Both girls did amazing, regardless of the scores. Team Tutberidize is fighting for all of those world spots and as of right now, I would give them all three if I were the russian fed.
With this "i dont like some aspects of Alina's behaviour", your credibility already becomes zero. After reading other posts about your own behaviour, I think you should stop commenting on Alina.
You think what you want, I comment what I want. I dont understand this type of comments that impose to others what to do.
Maybe you are so kind and explain it.
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Well it got only level 3. Don't know how it may relate with its length though. But it seemed quite short to me as well.
After seeing the protocols and full performance Sasha's TES makes more sense. 3 quads were quite shaky today and the loop was underrotated. GOE for 3 lutz could have been higher but that's pretty much it.
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Yes of course you can comment what you want to comment on. But when you say something about Alinas behavior in a negative way it perplexes some people here and some people are like WTH. Because most people here would think Alina is one of the most polite and friendly skaters in the world. Always kind and never a harsh word for anyone.
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I don’t think that StSq has a requirement on ice coverage from what I rmb! That’s only for Choreo sequence. She got a Lvl 3 on the StSq probably cos she didn’t have as much variety. She has less steps/turns than last year (a lot of complaints I rmb about the team throwing the kitchen sink with the Stsq and the number of steps/turns) And She was a bit off with the timing towards the end and It looked to me like she might have missed some steps/turns in the process vs during test skates. Also got levelled down on one spin. Probably something she’ll have to work on before she starts the season proper. Might actually be the first time I’ve seen her get levelled down for a spin actually? Save that one spin in euros I think for the whole of last season. She’s generally a pretty good spinner and didn’t really see much wrong with the spin today but I’m thinking maybe she wasn’t low enough or something.
Not as solid a performance compared to test skates and was tentative in parts — but still a solid showing for the start of the season.
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I actually found the scores and GOEs on the protocols to match the performances on video. Highlights for me:
Alina’s 3Lz3Lo, FCSp, Solo 3Lz
Sasha’s 4Lz, bringing the 4s back (although not the best landing)
Regarding Sasha’s PCS- my suspicions were correct. The integrity of the program was completely disrupted before the first 2 quads and the 4th quad. They have a few weeks to clean this up, and I hope they will, because one of the biggest improvements I saw in Sasha’s skating at the test skates vs last year was her entries into the quads. Now it just looks like a practice session, but Team Tutberidze will see the feedback from the judges and adjust accordingly.
Alina’s 3Lz3Lo, FCSp, Solo 3Lz
Sasha’s 4Lz, bringing the 4s back (although not the best landing)
Regarding Sasha’s PCS- my suspicions were correct. The integrity of the program was completely disrupted before the first 2 quads and the 4th quad. They have a few weeks to clean this up, and I hope they will, because one of the biggest improvements I saw in Sasha’s skating at the test skates vs last year was her entries into the quads. Now it just looks like a practice session, but Team Tutberidze will see the feedback from the judges and adjust accordingly.
Wow both Alina and Sasha were amazing today! I loved seeing both of their smiles at the end of their programs!! Did anyone else see Javi's reaction to that massive quad salchow in the background of the replay?! I wanted to see Nathan's reaction
Alina deserves high PCS. Her program takes a huge amount of stamina, and she never loses speed. Everything Alina did, she did well. Trusova tried to do the impossible, and the last 30 sec or so you could see the fatigue. (understandable). The elusions at the end were a bit sloppy, as was the last spin. Also, some of Trusova's extensions were not...extended today. (But heck, who cares...four quads. Dang). I do think PCS wise, Trusova should be higher than Rika-because much of Rika's program is slow and/or resting. Also, I sort of wonder if Trusova were competing as male, instead of female, would her PCS be higher? Because sometimes there seems to be a different standard.
I actually thought Rika deserved the higher PCS out of the three cause she actually followed the music, dancing to it with whole her body.
Alina focused more on hands' movements and in the first half it looked as she was passing from jump to jump.
