2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[katymay]

Ksenia is great! Definitely a strong contender this year!

It was nice to see her win, I think she is a great skater who gets lost in the Russian shuffle. I'm not crazy about her long, but her SP -I love it. My favorite short program this year I think.

 

[thatbeatingheart]

Sinitsyna is a joy to watch, I already liked her a lot last season but she's on another level now. I also really like both of her programs, there's so much going on but she never seems rushed, every movement seems to serve a purpose and not just be a filler. She could work a little more with her face but that doesn't bother me much with someone who's as expressive with her body as her. Well done, young lady!

 

[katymay]

Now that I've watched Trusova's program again on YouTube-there isn't a damn thing wrong with her PCS, except for a few bent knees and a few messy landings (but on quads). If she were competing against men, her PCS would have been higher. (Not Hanyu high, but certainly higher). She really was lowballed, and that is worrisome for the future. It kind of reminds me of what FIG is doing to Simone Biles in order to keep the scoring closer. And Trusova is sort of the Simone Biles of figure skating.

 

[skatergurl7]

Now that I've watched Trusova's program again on YouTube-there isn't a damn thing wrong with her PCS, except for a few bent knees and a few messy landings (but on quads). If she were competing against men, her PCS would have been higher. (Not Hanyu high, but certainly higher). She really was lowballed, and that is worrisome for the future. It kind of reminds me of what FIG is doing to Simone Biles in order to keep the scoring closer. And Trusova is sort of the Simone Biles of figure skating.

Was thinking the same thing, trusova is definitely the Simone biles of skating. Judges don’t want a ringer to win everything. Although I will say PCS was pretty accurate this early in her first senior season but I’m sure it will rise as she continues to dominate.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

Sasha may not be the easiest on the eyes to watch, but she is a true queen. I really believe we will talk about skating one day as before and after her. If she can stay clean, she is in competition with herself, but she is 100% beatable because of her PCS. Alina was over 11 points ahead of her in that category and only ended 6 points overall behind her with no quads...if she misses, others can catch her. If she really wants to stay in the top spot she HAS to work on the 2nd mark.

Sasha is in good shape. She won this LP by a comfortable margin and she deserved to. There really isn't much choreography or a program until after the second quad. It's understandable because what she's doing is historic and insanely difficult, but she is handsomely rewarded for that difficulty. She shouldn't get astronomical marks for PCS too if she's not delivering the program content of the top competitors, as someone like Alina shouldn't get points for quads that she doesn't do.

 

[readernick]

Now that I've watched Trusova's program again on YouTube-there isn't a damn thing wrong with her PCS, except for a few bent knees and a few messy landings (but on quads). If she were competing against men, her PCS would have been higher. (Not Hanyu high, but certainly higher). She really was lowballed, and that is worrisome for the future. It kind of reminds me of what FIG is doing to Simone Biles in order to keep the scoring closer. And Trusova is sort of the Simone Biles of figure skating.

I can't agree. The program was really just a jump drill. An amazing jump drill but a jump drill none the less. I don't think she would get higher PCS in men's. Her SS would not look good against the top men. And, after watching her program and seeing the protocols, I have to say the judges were spot on or even a bit generous in GOE. Her quads combos were messy. The landings on some of her quads were suspect. The 4Lz was the best . But, it doesn't have the same height as her other quads. I am sure her GOE will go up when she has better landings on her jumps. PCS wise the score was fair.

 

[colormyworld240]

Sinitsynas skating skills is the best amongst the russian ladies, another Panova skater with skating skills distinction

# Sinitsyna
# Kostornaia
# Valieva
# Zagitova - minus the hunch back

I'd still put Tarakanova above all of them in skating skills. Deeper edges, more speed, gains speed more easily, flows across the ice. Just skating skills, though, as Anastasia's upper body is wild, but that's also what I used to love about her.

 

[Elucidus]

Sasha is in good shape. She won this LP by a comfortable margin and she deserved to. There really isn't much choreography or a program until after the second quad. It's understandable because what she's doing is historic and insanely difficult, but she is handsomely rewarded for that difficulty. She shouldn't get astronomical marks for PCS too if she's not delivering the program content of the top competitors, as someone like Alina shouldn't get points for quads that she doesn't do.

I can't agree. The program was really just a jump drill. An amazing jump drill but a jump drill none the less. I don't think she would get higher PCS in men's. Her SS would not look good against the top men. And, after watching her program and seeing the protocols, I have to say the judges were spot on or even a bit generous in GOE. Her quads combos were messy. The landings on some of her quads were suspect. The 4Lz was the best . But, it doesn't have the same height as her other quads. I am sure her GOE will go up when she has better landings on her jumps. PCS wise the score was fair.

What a travesty Just food for thought: https://ibb.co/ByBr9zQ
Do you really think that her ability to do all elements degraded after two weeks? If you are going to say that it's different panel and there is no conspiracy - I still doubt it very much. Why? Because all supposedly clean Miyahara's jumps, who is notorious for getting low GOEs for them due to low height - were assessed MUCH BETTER than Trusova jumps In fact, judging by protocols - Trusova jumps were receiving GOEs on par with Nagasu's GOEs - who was clearly not even in competitive form and in retired status If it's not screaming to you about direct sabotage - I don't know what it is

 

[Amei]

I'd still put Tarakanova above all of them in skating skills. Deeper edges, more speed, gains speed more easily, flows across the ice. Just skating skills, though, as Anastasia's upper body is wild, but that's also what I used to love about her.

The problem for Tarakanova is that they aren't giving her programs/music for her natural abilities to shine, her 2017-2018 programs were the best at that.

 

[randomfan]

I’m not sure why so many people are complaining about how “low” Sasha’s PCS was. First, 63 is by no means a bad score. Second, while her TR score should’ve been much higher, she needs to be more expressive and make her programs less of a jumpfest to warrant higher PE, CO, and IN. And finally, the argument that she should receive much higher PCS than what she got as a junior is also odd, because while Sasha improved, she didn’t by THAT much. Plus, it’s not like her junior PCS was justified either...

I say the real underscored one in PCS here was Satoko (not surprising) despite her mistakes, but I won’t go into that since this is the Russian Ladies thread.

 

[madison]

I’m not sure why so many people are complaining about how “low” Sasha’s PCS was. First, 63 is by no means a bad score. Second, while her TR score should’ve been much higher, she needs to be more expressive and make her programs less of a jumpfest to warrant higher PE, CO, and IN. And finally, the argument that she should receive much higher PCS than what she got as a junior is also odd, because while Sasha improved, she didn’t by THAT much. Plus, it’s not like her junior PCS was justified either...

I say the real underscored one in PCS here was Satoko (not surprising) despite her mistakes, but I won’t go into that since this is the Russian Ladies thread.

She got low scores compared to the highest PCS received here, that of Zagitova's.
In my books, Rika should have got the highest PCS out of the three, because she has the best glide, really smoothly, complex choreography for which she uses her entirely body.
Watching again Zagitova's program, I can say that she has the best package out of them, in terms of dress, make- up, but this program is the easiest she ever did, not only in terms of jumps, but also in choreo and transitions (she has in and off transitions only to the 3 lutz), The choreo is based on some hands' movements (some mix style between African and Indian) between jumps. Not to add that the SS and the posture are not the best, and this is a well known thing from the season before. Trusova was messy and I think she should stick with 3 quads for this season as the benefits of adding another quad are not so great in terms of points, but still I dont find 11+ points gap between she and Zagitova jusitified (as I said Zagitova doesnt excel in either skating skills, or transitions, the program is effective with good music arrangements, but the choreo is really basic). So I would have scored Rika 73 in PCS, Zagitova 71 and Trusova 68-69.

 

[randomfan]

She got low scores compared to the highest PCS received here, that of Zagitova's.
In my books, Rika should have got the highest PCS out of the three, because she has the best glide, really smoothly, complex choreography for which she uses her entirely body.
Watching again Zagitova's program, I can say that she has the best package out of them, in terms of dress, make- up, but this program is the easiest she ever did, not only in terms of jumps, but also in choreo and transitions (she has in and off transitions only to the 3 lutz), The choreo is based on some hands' movements (some mix style between African and Indian) between jumps. Not to add that the SS and the posture are not the best, and this is a well known thing from the season before. Trusova was messy and I think she should stick with 3 quads for this season as the benefits of adding another quad are not so great in terms of points, but still I dont find 11+ points gap between she and Zagitova jusitified (as I said Zagitova doesnt excel in either skating skills, or transitions, the program is effective with good music arrangements, but the choreo is really basic). So I would have scored Rika 73 in PCS, Zagitova 71 and Trusova 68-69.

I do agree that the PCS gap between Sasha and Alina should be nowhere near that big. But rather than Sasha being underscored, I think Alina was just too overscored in this case. Adding onto your analysis of Alina’s program (which I agree with), her choreo is surprisingly empty at some parts, like right after the flying camel spin. Overall, this program has potential to become something great, so I hope that her team can keep working on the choreo throughout the season.

Interestingly, while I agreed with your PCS reasoning of the three, I still would’ve had the scores themselves much, much lower: 65-66 for Alina, 60-61 for Sasha (TR really saving her here), and I agree with the 67 that Rika got (68 would’ve been fine too). I guess I’m just really strict when it comes to PCS .

 

[lusterfan]

I do wonder if judges are not entirely ready to let the quadsters come in and snatch all the golds.

Interestingly when we look at JO scores, and Trusova and Alina's recent/historical SP scores, Alina would still beat Trusova and her 4 quads. Now I know Trusova will get more stable and her PCS will rise, but she doesn't exactly have that much of a margin of error! Alina was in great shape and her PCS is god-tiered right now. Trusova has to chuck out all the quads and cleanly just to have a chance. A mistake or two and judges seem ready to give it to Alina.

This is just early season speculation though - let's wait and see what unfolds I just want to see Kostornaia stand on the Worlds podium (and preferably gold).

 

[AkikoNana]

Trusova is incredible for jump and land 3 different types of quads; last year she said she didn't want to include 3 of them because she couldn't warm them all up in the warm up and this year she come with Salchow, Lutz and 2 Toe with one in combo! However I disagree that she should have higher pcs; although his FS is well studied to bring out her fierceness and power of his jumps, the pcs are composed of different voices: concentrating on the quads requires energy and the interpretation / coreo obviously suffers. I do not agree with giving high pcs only for jumping and landing quads. Said that, is remarkable what she’s doing with the tech content for her age!

 

[Jontor]

Does anyone know why Samodurova has withdrawn from Finlandia Trophy? She is still listed to skate at Ice Star though.
I wonder if Konstantinova who was listed as a substitute at Finlandia will go instead?

 

[ruga]

I think that out of all Russian girls I have seen so far Alina improved the most. Her jumps are higher, more effortless and have better landings. Not to mention relaxed skating and a program that is probably the best that Daniil has ever created. She totally deserves the PCS gap between her and Trusova IMO. Scores at JO pretty much reflected what she showed on ice.

 

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I think that out of all Russian girls I have seen so far Alina improved the most. Her jumps are higher, more effortless and have better landings. Not to mention relaxed skating and a program that is probably the best that Daniil has ever created. She totally deserves the PCS gap between her and Trusova IMO. Scores at JO pretty much reflected what she showed on ice.

Yes, she is the true queen now both in her looks and skating.

 

[Decoder]

I think that out of all Russian girls I have seen so far Alina improved the most. Her jumps are higher, more effortless and have better landings. Not to mention relaxed skating and a program that is probably the best that Daniil has ever created. She totally deserves the PCS gap between her and Trusova IMO. Scores at JO pretty much reflected what she showed on ice.

Just look at Alina's performances in the last seasons, look at how she is skating now, and compare the overall skating quality of hers with others, it is not difficult to see that Alina's PCS is very fair. However, it is easy to complain about her "high" PCS by dragging Sasha into this with her relatively lower PCS score at the moment - this is actually a cheat shot. Sasha's score will go up for sure, everyone knows that, whereas some people are worried about losing the chance to seek some fake justice.

 

[[email protected]]

Now Alina has both the freedom to be relaxed as she has already proved everyhting and the financial freedom. Her famous tutu was Medvedeva's old dress. Her Cleopatra's dress now is a piece of art. I cannot imagine how much it can cost but she can afford any dress now. I am so happy for her.

 

[JazzUp]

Her famous tutu was Medvedeva's old dress.

The one she started performing DQ while still in juniors, yes. The one that made her the world famous "Red Ballerina" after Olympics was a new one, made specially for Alina.