2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Good Vibes Only]

You're not listening. Tarusina and Gubanova had also GUARANTEED spots. Can you explain how they didn't get any assignments?

Well Tarusina retired from skating and Gubanova just changed coaches. Plus they are not as well known of skaters as Maria is. This would make it harder for them to get GP spots. As for the challengers...I am guessing that they didn't send Gubanvoa to any because she hasn't adjusted to the coaching change yet. But who knows? Unless you are apart of the russian fed then no one knows any of the inner details, so we can only guess.

 

[Fluture]

Liza's SP:

http://www.figureskatingresults.fi/results/1920/CSFIN2019/CSFIN2019_Ladies_SP_Scores.pdf

To be honest, that edge call is right.

I agree, it looked e even in real time when watching (surprising!) But I was still surprised that they actually called it. And e too, not ! Her lost levels on spins and steps are certainly deserved, that’s an area she can improve on, as is her transitions score under 8 (the only one btw, which I find very appropriate) However, since her program to the original music is very nice and she‘s a great performer I‘m surprised her performance score isn‘t higher. Her 3Lz especially is great and would deserve more GOE. Overall, I’m still a bit surprised at how low the score is.

But can‘t help it... I‘m very happy for Aliona whose scores are great and deserved!

 

[pearly]

They were in the Top 24 in the SB list.

Link please? I was looking at 18/19 World Ranking by mistake, cannot find the SB list for that season. (Sotskova is still 21st in the World Standings so that hold up for sure.)

 

[Pantsu]

Federation has to submit you, and if not, than your "guaranteed" status means nothing

Tuktik had a lip since test skates, finally got a call
All that talk about correct technique

 

[Jontor]

Federation has to submit you, and if not, than your "guaranteed" status means nothing

Tuktik had a lip since test skates, finally got a call
All that talk about correct technique

I didn't spot it at first, but yes that was a Lip alright. It's unusual though, I don't recall I ever seen a Lip call before.

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Link please? I was looking at 18/19 World Ranking by mistake, cannot find the SB list for that season. (Sotskova is still 21st in the World Standings so that hold up for sure.)

I added the link to the original post

 

[Edwin]

Tuktamysheva did not talk with reporters after performing in Finland

Russian figure skater Yelizaveta Tuktamysheva refused to talk with reporters after her performance at the Finlandia Trophy tournament in Espoo.

Tuktamysheva performed her short program without falls, receiving 72.66 points for her performance, which allowed her to take second place (the first was Alyona Kostornaya, 77.25).

“Everything is fine, I am satisfied, no comment,” said the skater in a sad voice in the mixed zone.
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https://sport24.ru/news/other/2019-...zhurnalistami-posle-vystupleniya-v-finlyandii

 

[flanker]

I agree, it looked e even in real time when watching (surprising!) But I was still surprised that they actually called it. And e too, not ! Her lost levels on spins and steps are certainly deserved, that’s an area she can improve on, as is her transitions score under 8 (the only one btw, which I find very appropriate) However, since her program to the original music is very nice and she‘s a great performer I‘m surprised her performance score isn‘t higher. I‘m still a bit surprised at how low the score is.

But can‘t help it... I‘m very happy for Aliona whose scores are great and deserved!

Agree on everything with you in this.
(BTW originally I wrongly posted the link for protocols again in my previous comment now there is a link to Liza's program as I've intended.).

 

[Mishaminion]

You're not listening. Tarusina and Gubanova had also GUARANTEED spots. Can you explain how they didn't get any assignments?

It's a difficult situation for Russian ladies, with more skaters meeting the requirements than there are spots available. Gubanova is on the alternate list, but Russia is maxed out on spots and she can only replace a Russian.
Maria was Russian number 3 right up until the 18/19 season and was successful enough to remain on the top 24 WS list despite her poor results last year.
Despite the wrath of many people on this forum who clamour for skaters to retire the second they have difficulties, Sotskova had her spot on the merit of her previous high achievements, regardless of current performances.
Neither Gubanova or Tarusina have been as successful as Maria at any point in their careers, unfortunately.

 

[starla16]

Tuktamysheva did not talk with reporters after performing in Finland

Russian figure skater Yelizaveta Tuktamysheva refused to talk with reporters after her performance at the Finlandia Trophy tournament in Espoo.

Tuktamysheva performed her short program without falls, receiving 72.66 points for her performance, which allowed her to take second place (the first was Alyona Kostornaya, 77.25).

“Everything is fine, I am satisfied, no comment,” said the skater in a sad voice in the mixed zone.
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https://sport24.ru/news/other/2019-...zhurnalistami-posle-vystupleniya-v-finlyandii

I think shes pissed off, she never got a Lip before ?
hope she is motivated to skate clean tommorow she can still score close to 150 if clean.

 

[Tolstoj]

Liza's SP:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrvYLK8QVao

To be honest, that edge call is right.

Even if you give that, Liza's program is still more difficult due to the 3A, i don't particularly agree with the insane inflation for Kostornaya from the get go.

Yes she is great but this was not a perfect skate:

In the combination she had no speed coming out, + 5 for that is very generous.

lack of flow in the steps sequence, she was almost falling a couple of times (the choreography for the steps could be a factor too, that part needed some rework last season);

The edge on the lutz is not clearly outside.

 

[halulupu]

It's a difficult situation for Russian ladies, with more skaters meeting the requirements than there are spots available. Gubanova is on the alternate list, but Russia is maxed out on spots and she can only replace a Russian.
Maria was Russian number 3 right up until the 18/19 season and was successful enough to remain on the top 24 WS list despite her poor results last year.
Despite the wrath of many people on this forum who clamour for skaters to retire the second they have difficulties, Sotskova had her spot on the merit of her previous high achievements, regardless of current performances.
Neither Gubanova or Tarusina have been as successful as Maria at any point in their careers, unfortunately.

please just admit that you were wrong and jontor was right! and now you can finally stop with this senseless arguments

 

[Fluture]

Does anyone have videos of Sima and Guliakova today? I‘m very happy for Sima that she won.

 

[Mishaminion]

Even if you give that, Liza's program is still more difficult due to the 3A, i don't particularly agree with the insane inflation for Kostornaya from the get go.

Yes she is great but this was not a perfect skate:

In the combination she had no speed coming out, + 5 for that is very generous.

lack of flow in the steps sequence, she was almost falling a couple of times (the choreography for the steps could be a factor too, that part needed some rework last season);

The edge on the lutz is not clearly outside.

Were we watching a different Kostornaia because I swear the one I saw had a great 3-3 and the step sequence was good without any "almost falling over?"

 

[macy]

The judges sent a clear message today they are able, ready, and willing to reward Alena. I think the judging was fair and I'm thankful they didnt lowball her like Anna. She deserved every point she got today. Stellar for a senior debut.

She is going to make this a very interesting season!

 

[pearly]

I added the link to the original post

Thanks. Is it possible that they were offered a spot and turned it down (for example knowing they would retire)? I am not sure what happens if a country maxes out on spots before all skaters who are guaranteed one receive theirs, I don't think it is in the rules. What gets priority - World Standings or Season's Best list? Are you saying that this is where the federation stepped in and decided who goes? Is that an internal rule for RusFed or just a guess that that is what happened?

 

[starla16]

Tuks face and reaction after the score says it all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6oRnIRiYG4

 

[Jontor]

It's a difficult situation for Russian ladies, with more skaters meeting the requirements than there are spots available. Gubanova is on the alternate list, but Russia is maxed out on spots and she can only replace a Russian.
Maria was Russian number 3 right up until the 18/19 season and was successful enough to remain on the top 24 WS list despite her poor results last year.
Despite the wrath of many people on this forum who clamour for skaters to retire the second they have difficulties, Sotskova had her spot on the merit of her previous high achievements, regardless of current performances.
Neither Gubanova or Tarusina have been as successful as Maria at any point in their careers, unfortunately.

Finally, I agree with everything you say LOL! It is a very difficult situation for all Russian Ladies as the competition is insane. And yes, neither Gubanova or Tarusina has been as successful as Maria, but that's mainly because they didn't have the chance because of the fierce competition at home.

 

[starla16]

The judges sent a clear message today they are able, ready, and willing to reward Alena. I think the judging was fair and I'm thankful they didnt lowball her like Anna. She deserved every point she got today. Great for a senior debut.

She is going to make this a very interesting season!

yes but they also sent a signal to Tuk, your 3 Axel isn't enough and you aren't guaranteed a win even with three axels.
yes I know she got the bogus lip.

 

[Mishaminion]

please just admit that you were wrong and jontor was right! and now you can finally stop with this senseless arguments

What is senseless is suggesting Maria give up her right to compete at a GP just because she's struggling.
What is senseless is whining and saying horrible things about a young woman who just wants to skate for her love of it, calling her a "disgrace" and saying she had no decency if she doesn't withdraw.
What is senseless is accusing her of not having any decency yet suggesting she fake an injury to give up her GP spot.

This has to stop, there is now pages and pages of this drivel, endlessly bashing the poor girl.

 

[katymay]

Even if you give that, Liza's program is still more difficult due to the 3A, i don't particularly agree with the insane inflation for Kostornaya from the get go.

Yes she is great but this was not a perfect skate:

In the combination she had no speed coming out, + 5 for that is very generous.

lack of flow in the steps sequence, she was almost falling a couple of times (the choreography for the steps could be a factor too, that part needed some rework last season);

The edge on the lutz is not clearly outside.

The thing with Kostornaia is she almost seems to fly and float across the ice, and it leaves one transfixed. Judges are human, and I think some things are overlooked because you are almost moved into an alternative state when you watch her. It is hard to see the flaws. When I watch Liza, I think to myself, if only she could improve A, B and C. If only. (Even though she has improved a great deal) It is much easier to pick apart a program which is not enjoyable.