2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Edwin]

I totally agree Vilord. It is unfair to everyone involved and I really hope that the ISU will look into this and clearify/add to the rules, because it is going to be an even bigger mess for Russian Ladies next year.

Yes, there should be a persistent high scoring objective or a formula which devaluates results over time when not replaced by new more current results.
But ISU will probably ride out the storm since this particular tense situation only exists in Russian ladies singles and they don't want to create precedents or give the impression of bowing under pressure.

Now it's up to the athlete. We can only hope she won't be bombarded with h@te on her social media or in the gossip and scandalous press.

 

[halulupu]

I'd like to know an opinion on Kostornaya's lutz edge from those who say Liza's lip call was fair.

You can slow-mo from here.

https://youtu.be/11dGNe7052g?t=79

She barely goes on the outside, but for the most part it stays flat.

well barely is enough this days. I am ok with it, at least its a little outside and no excessive prerotation (more or less the same as alinas lutz). of course tuks lip call was harsh in comparison, a ! should have been done it for me

 

[Mishaminion]

I'm sure the Tech Panel saw it better than you could (from a blurry slow mo) - she performed the jump almost in front of them.

Perhaps they were all checking their tweets on their phones at that moment and missed it?

 

[Tolstoj]

I'm sure the Tech Panel saw it better than you could (from a blurry slow mo) - she performed the jump almost in front of them.

Do they? We see overlooked edge calls so many times every season, especially with the ladies, the video is not even that blurry on 1080p and sometimes you don't even need that resolution to catch it.

In this case you could call the "!" or give the benefit of the doubt since she seems to go on the outside edge but for the most part it stays flat, i'm not even saying it was that outrageous.

 

[Mishaminion]

Yes, there should be a persistent high scoring objective or a formula which devaluates results over time when not replaced by new more current results.
But ISU will probably ride out the storm since this particular tense situation only exists in Russian ladies singles and they don't want to create precedents or give the impression of bowing under pressure.

Now it's up to the athlete. We can only hope she won't be bombarded with h@te on her social media or in the gossip and scandalous press.

She already has been bashed enough here

 

[Artemisa]

Sorry... but i don't understand such a big discussion about scores... Liza lost both 2 points in Tech( i'm not going to discuss edges ..) and 2 points in PCS ... The points lost in PCS I think kostornaia was superior .... Kostornaia program is near flawless, every movement is perfect (it's a program that she knows very weel ...that's an advantage) ... Liza have finally a good program but you look at her program and you see little flaws if you compare to kostornaia ... Liza have great jumps but that's it ...Kostornaia knows how to jump and her next step is choregraph

 

[nussnacker]

Even if you give that, Liza's program is still more difficult due to the 3A, i don't particularly agree with the insane inflation for Kostornaya from the get go.

Yes she is great but this was not a perfect skate:

In the combination she had no speed coming out, + 5 for that is very generous.

lack of flow in the steps sequence, she was almost falling a couple of times (the choreography for the steps could be a factor too, that part needed some rework last season);

The edge on the lutz is not clearly outside.

Because of the levels and that lip call, she was only 1,5 points ahead in base value.
And the judges gave GOEs to Aliona, but were less generous with Liza.
I have mixed feelings, something about Liza‘s score doesn’t feel right, it’s too low
I saw the lip, but I didn’t think they would call it, since lips in general are called more leniently, because they are quite rare.
But she was getting lip calls at StPt cup stage too though. But stil, quite harsh on Liza.

They need to got for Lz-T in short, I think Liza does a much cleaner flip when she does it solo.

 

[Vilord]

I was looking at the World Raking list by mistake, not the SB list.
I agree with you. Still curious regarding how the decision is made if there are more skaters than guaranteed spots because the ISU did not foresee that one in their rules (at lease I could not find it in their relevant document).

As far as I know there is nothing in the rules regarding how such a situation is to be handled. Someone obviously decidded to cut Tarusina and Gubanova from the senior GP (For Tarusina the plan was clearly JGP but still) exatly who or whom that was is anyones guess but as RusFed is one of the more powerful federations I cant imagine they not having a say in who to not give a spot of the lower ranked "Guaranteed" ones. One can argue as to what decision would have been the smartest in who to cut and while I personaly would have picked Gubanova over Sotskova (Like Jontor said earlier) I dont think there ever was a good solution to this that would have made everyone happy.

As for Sotskovas skate today she looks far from her best competetive form 2 seasons ago and doesnt look happy to skate and score as she does (Understandably so when her total score is about what the to gets in FS only). She has obviously had a turbulent year and it cannot be fun knowing you are not skating to the level she is used to and probably wants to skate at. And considering this Im not sure going to a GP this season is going to help her or do her any good so for that reason it might be a good idea to give it to someone else. Also if she where to resign her spot this year im fairly sure she could use the "returning skater" rule in a couple of years if she where to regain her previous form which she cant do if she skates this year and scores verry low I think.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

I'm really surprised that, at this point in her career, Liza hasn't gotten any help to make her movement look more polished. Everything needs more stretch, and she is capable of doing it. There are moments of her SP I like, but the overall impression isn't as strong as it could be.

 

[Mishaminion]

As far as I know there is nothing in the rules regarding how such a situation is to be handled. Someone obviously decidded to cut Tarusina and Gubanova from the senior GP (For Tarusina the plan was clearly JGP but still) exatly who or whom that was is anyones guess but as RusFed is one of the more powerful federations I cant imagine they not having a say in who to not give a spot of the lower ranked "Guaranteed" ones. One can argue as to what decision would have been the smartest in who to cut and while I personaly would have picked Gubanova over Sotskova (Like Jontor said earlier) I dont think there ever was a good solution to this that would have made everyone happy.

As for Sotskovas skate today she looks far from her best competetive form 2 seasons ago and doesnt look happy to skate and score as she does (Understandably so when her total score is about what the to gets in FS only). She has obviously had a turbulent year and it cannot be fun knowing you are not skating to the level she is used to and probably wants to skate at. And considering this Im not sure going to a GP this season is going to help her or do her any good so for that reason it might be a good idea to give it to someone else. Also if she where to resing her spot this year im fairly sure she could use the "returning skater" rule in a couple of years if she where to regain her previous form which she cant do if she skates this year and scores verry low I think.

Well it is up to Maria to decide what she does next, it is unfair to clamour for her to withdraw or straight up retire. She's a lovely skater with a lot of good qualities, her jumps are just not there at this point but it isn't impossible for her to get better again, I think she's being written off too soon. Sure, it is highly unlikely she'll make the Russian team again but if she can make it to a point where she's skating well enough to just have fun...then I say "go for it!"

 

[JazzUp]

Do they?

In this case, they definitely did see better - she was literally in front of the Tech Panel sitting on the right side of the judges' podium.

the video is not even that blurry on 1080p

Oh, really? Please tell me, o Eagle Eye, what do you see
here , on a 1080p screengrab?

 

[Mishaminion]

I'm really surprised that, at this point in her career, Liza hasn't gotten any help to make her movement look more polished. Everything needs more stretch, and she is capable of doing it. There are moments of her SP I like, but the overall impression isn't as strong as it could be.

She scored higher at Lombardia with the music not matching what little choreography she has, performance wise this was much better. The program made more sense with the original music it was designed for and I think she performed it pretty well. So the fact she scored less in PCS is a bit puzzling, it was much better than Lombardia.

 

[pearly]

As far as I know there is nothing in the rules regarding how such a situation is to be handled. Someone obviously decidded to cut Tarusina and Gubanova from the senior GP (For Tarusina the plan was clearly JGP but still) exatly who or whom that was is anyones guess but as RusFed is one of the more powerful federations I cant imagine they not having a say in who to not give a spot of the lower ranked "Guaranteed" ones. One can argue as to what decision would have been the smartest in who to cut and while I personaly would have picked Gubanova over Sotskova (Like Jontor said earlier) I dont think there ever was a good solution to this that would have made everyone happy.

As for Sotskovas skate today she looks far from her best competetive form 2 seasons ago and doesnt look happy to skate and score as she does (Understandably so when her total score is about what the to gets in FS only). She has obviously had a turbulent year and it cannot be fun knowing you are not skating to the level she is used to and probably wants to skate at. And considering this Im not sure going to a GP this season is going to help her or do her any good so for that reason it might be a good idea to give it to someone else. Also if she where to resign her spot this year im fairly sure she could use the "returning skater" rule in a couple of years if she where to regain her previous form which she cant do if she skates this year and scores verry low I think.

Ugh, I am not about to go back and check that returning skater/come-back skater entry rule, I went through them too many times today. I don't think she would qualify under it, from what I recall.
Perhaps she reconsiders her entry, but her skates at Nepela weren't that bad. By current top Russian standards yes, but overall, not bad.

 

[Mishaminion]

In this case, they definitely did see better - she was literally in front of the Tech Panel sitting on the right side of the judges' podium.



Oh, really? Please tell me, o Eagle Eye, what do you see
here , on a 1080p screengrab?

Kostorblobaia!
Seriously that is... blurry, looking at it is making me feel like I'm drunk.

 

[Edwin]

I'm really surprised that, at this point in her career, Liza hasn't gotten any help to make her movement look more polished. Everything needs more stretch, and she is capable of doing it. There are moments of her SP I like, but the overall impression isn't as strong as it could be.

#TeamMishin is rooted in conservatism, not wanting to push the envelope from the inside, unlike #TeamTutberidzeForProgress. I was pleasantly surprised by the fire in Tuktamysheva's performance just now, as if she knew she had to make something good. Her laconic reaction to her scores only barely hides her disappointment.

It will be interesting to see how she fares during the season, Mishin's last chance at glory in ladies singles most likely. All the GP pairings were the same on entrance, but perhaps some skaters will be shifted around? But I can also imagine FFKKR just wanting the 'old' and the 'new' to battle it out between themselves, they don't want the Amazing Aces knock each other out before GPF.

Seems like Gleikhengauz coaches the young seniors in their foreign starts, Dudakov does the domestic starts, my guess is Tutberidze will do the Alina starts, adding her reputation and authority to the Olympic Champion.

I am watching the YLE TV2 broadcast I downloaded right now since the Ledokol relay is unavailable for download, and was fooled by Jenni Saarinen from Finland who looks like a mirror image of Stanislava Konstantinova: same red dress, same hair style, almost the same face and shape, LOL.

 

[Pantsu]

She scored higher at Lombardia with the music not matching what little choreography she has, performance wise this was much better. The program made more sense with the original music it was designed for and I think she performed it pretty well. So the fact she scored less in PCS is a bit puzzling, it was much better than Lombardia.

At Lombardia it was 31.76 and here it is 32.94. Seems fair to me
The difference between Alena and Tuktik is only 1.20 PCS

 

[Mishaminion]

At Lombardia it was 31.76 and here it is 32.94. Seems fair to me

Oh was it?
My bad, I thought it was higher.
It was the technical she lost points on today

 

[Jontor]

#TeamMishin is rooted in conservatism, not wanting to push the envelope from the inside, unlike #TeamTutberidzeForProgress. I was pleasantly surprised by the fire in Tuktamysheva's performance just now, as if she knew she had to make something good. Her laconic reaction to her scores only barely hides disappointment.

It will be interesting to see how she fares during the season, Mishin last chance at glory in ladies singles most likely. All the GP pairings were the same on entrance, so perhaps some skaters will be shifted around? But I can also imagine FFKKR just wanting the 'old' and the 'new' battle it out between themselves, they don't want the Amazing Aces knock each other out before GPF.

I am watching the YLE TV2 broadcast I downloaded right now, and was fooled by Jenni Saarinen from Finland who looks like a mirror image of Stanislava Konstantinova: same red dress, same hair style, almost the same face and shape, LOL.

Yes, I saw that fire too. She was really on fire today! I hope she is not too disapppointed that the music change didn't help the score. This time she got down on TES and I hope she realize that and keep going for that choreo that is wonderful imo. I still feel she is skating with a Dry Martini in her hand though, but that's a good thing.:luv17:

 

[JazzUp]

Kostorblobaia!
Seriously that is... blurry, looking at it is making me feel like I'm drunk.

This might help a little

 

[Mishaminion]

This might help a little

This is great, all the effects of a night out on the booze but without all the cost and effort!

Seriously you can't even tell where the ice is nevermind her blades, it looks like fog.