2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Jontor]

*UPDATED* Russian Ladies in the SB list after 13 (of 30) events

1 (1) - Alexandra Trusova 238.69 - CS Nepela Memorial
2 (new) - Alena Kostornaia 234.84 - CS Finlandia Trophy
4 (3) - Kamila Valieva (J) 221.95 - JGP Chelyabinsk
5 (4) - Anna Shcherbakova 218.20 - CS Lombardia Trophy
6 (5) - Evgenia Medvedeva 217.43 - CS Autumn Classic
7 (6) - Ksenia Sinitsyna 215.58 - JGP Egna/Neumarkt
8 (7) - Elizaveta Tuktamysheva 214.38 - CS Lombardia Trophy
14 (13) - Viktoria Vasilieva 198.79 - JGP Chelyabinsk
15 (14) - Daria Usacheva (J) 197.19 - JGP Croatia Cup
16 (15) - Anastasia Tarakanova 194.74 - JGP Baltic Cup
21 (19) - Maiia Khromykh (J) 190.73 - JGP Riga Cup
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27 (25) - Anna Frolova (J) 181.96 - JGP Croatia Cup
31 (28) - Sofia Samodurova 179.65 - CS Lombardia Trophy
52 (49) - Stanislava Konstantinova 162.25 - CS Nepela Memorial
66 (64) - Maria Sotskova 155.25 - CS Nepela Memorial


Kostornaia joins the nest at the top! Next week: GP Skate America with Tuktamysheva, Shcherbakova, Konstantinova

Top 24 in the SB list, except juniors (J), are guaranteed at least one spot at the senior GP next year
Last year, to be in the Top 24 in the Seasons Best List you had to score 196.34

Still to skate: Sakhanovich, Zagitova, Nugumanova
And those without GPs aka 'Gubanova's gang': Kanysheva, Gubanova, Gulyakova, Talalaykina, and others...

 

[silveruskate]

Aliona with her second 3A being clean would have scored around 90 TES, and I think she can achieve around 77.5 (maximum) by the end of the season so I think her ceiling is around 167. She somehow sold that Twilight program I'm so impressed and love it. With a 3A in the SP I think she can only be second to Sasha at this stage. <3

But then who knows someone might just bring out another jump like is happening nowadays.

 

[Decoder]

Adeliya Petrosyan just proved her worth, thinking on her feet to add back all the combinations that didn't work out as planned in her draft program. Some problems with stability and endurance, but a great skate nevertheless, but will her ranking be enough?

Sof'ya Gorbachyova delived an excellent free program just before, and will win a medal here. Good for her and her club and region.

Sof'ya Akat'yeva took a hard fall on her quad Toeloop but otherwise posted the superior score, triksel and all, but will no doubt be disappointed over her performance. Looks a little sad in the K&C.

I guess Sof'ya was sad because she failed the 4T at stage 1 as well? No worry brave girl, you'll definitely get it!

 

[nussnacker]

Aliona with her second 3A being clean would have scored around 90 TES, and I think she can achieve around 77.5 (maximum) by the end of the season so I think her ceiling is around 167. She somehow sold that Twilight program I'm so impressed and love it. With a 3A in the SP I think she can only be second to Sasha at this stage. <3

But then who knows someone might just bring out another jump like is happening nowadays.

Aliona said quite a few times that she loves both of her programs a lot this season, and that her twilight fs is her favourite program of all time.
Only makes sense to give what Aliona desires to her, I think she's able to sell that program much better than even her r&j last season.

 

[Mishaminion]

And so they have the nerve to call the Russian press yellow tabloids...

Kostornaia can only win over Trusova if he makes serious mistakes, he always won that way (JGPF 2018). Today skating clean Trusova has 175 points or more. Kostornaia will not exceed 165 with PCS better than those of Yuna Kim, and we all know that Trusova will never be more than 5 points below her in SP.

And do not forget that Trusova is training 3A, at some point it will dominate and thus goodbye competition, will have an SP of 80 + FS of at least 180. There you will only have to wait for Zhilina to be a senior to defeat her with her same TES.

Kostornaia is now only 4 points behind Trusova in SB and can still add more technical difficulty like a 3A in the SP.
She's right up there with her comparing their current SB, not some mythical future ones you have made up.

 

[DenissVFan]

It's hard to fathom but now there are 4 skaters with a quad (or multiple quads & quad combos) or a 3A (and 3A combos) and we know for sure that at least one of them won't me on the World team :eekn:

 

[silveruskate]

Aliona said quite a few times that she loves both of her programs a lot this season, and that her twilight fs is her favourite program of all time.
Only makes sense to give what Aliona desires to her, I think she's able to sell that program much better than even her r&j last season.

I'm saying I'm happy she sold it as I was unsure she could. What is the problem.....

It's just my preference as a fan, I'm happy she surpassed my expectations for it by a lot. Still I wonder what she could do with other music, but she's very successful already.

 

[Mishaminion]

Aliona said quite a few times that she loves both of her programs a lot this season, and that her twilight fs is her favourite program of all time.
Only makes sense to give what Aliona desires to her, I think she's able to sell that program much better than even her r&j last season.

You can 100% tell how much fun she's having with the Twilight program, and that she genuinely loves the whole theme.
It's not everyone's cup of tea, but her joy is infectious and even I couldn't wipe the smile off my face.

 

[Decoder]

The russian cup is qualifiers to Nationals right? With Akatievas win here (as well as in the first one right) does that mean that we are now guaranteed to se her at junior nats?

Honestly with her apparent stability on the 3A and overall quality of everything else (apart from stsq1...) she could probably challenge for a medal. Also I hope we get to se her land the 4T in comp soon.

I saw this on the vk page of team eteri (https://vk.com/eteritutberidze):

"Congratulations on the gold and bronze medal at the second stage of the Cup of Russia - Rostelecom 2019-2020, and with the selection on Championship of Russia among juniors"

So I guess (at least) Sof'ya is qualified for junior nats.

 

[Vandevska]

They probably won't take it as an advice, but perhaps team Mishin understands the benefits of having a fuller program now. Aliona was 5 pts ahead in the SP without a 3A, and posted a massive score in the FS. Elizaveta is lagging behind even with her 3As, and if she wants to be even considered for the team, they need to add more transitions.

 

[Scott512]

Kostornaia is now only 4 points behind Trusova in SB and can still add more technical difficulty like a 3A in the SP.
She's right up there with her comparing their current SB, not some mythical future ones you have made up.

Amazing and an amazing senior debut for Alyiona. she is very deserving of all her success and the plaudits that come with it because she's unique and special and today's figure skating world. I also think sassy Liza is off to a good start this season and set up to have an excellent season and challenge to make the top three on the national team at euros and worlds. But the depth among the Russian ladies is off-the-charts insane. The competition will be fierce but the camaraderie among the ladies will be very warm.

 

[nussnacker]

I'm saying I'm happy she sold it as I was unsure she could. What is the problem.....

It's just my preference as a fan, I'm happy she surpassed my expectations for it by a lot. Still I wonder what she could do with other music, but she's very successful already.

no problem at all, I'm just adding to your comment that I think she sold it even better than the program she had last year
My comment wasn't supposed to be stating any counter points to your comment, just adding more details to the conversation Sorry it came out weird, I guess

 

[Vandevska]

How do you guys think that the judges will rank Alina and Alena in the short program if they both go clean?

Without the 2A, Alina will be a few points ahead. With the 3A, Aliona will be a couple of points ahead.

 

[Tolstoj]

Somewhat unexpected. Will Liza N. get an international assignment? I know she has an UR problem but it seems she's been working hard to improve. It wasn't that long ago when people thought she would be a world champion.

To this day i still believe her career didn't go up (yet? i mean never say never right?) like Eteri's skaters because of a couple of missteps, namely JGPF 2016 and when she left Mishin and he started to trash talk her.

Some of the calls she gets in Russia are always a bit harsh to me, the 3lo-3lo in the SP for instance was not underrotated.

I'm happy she's getting some recognition now, i hope she gets an international assignment: the 3ltz-eu-3s in the free was a new combo for her and it worked perfectly, there are still some skills in her skating that i don't see in any other russian girl.

The only thing in the free i wish she holds the spiral a little longer: she creates some very pretty pictures on the ice, you want to keep it 2-3 seconds more to earn the claps from the audience.

As for Gubanova, still lots of works to do in shape/physical conditions and personally i don't love this new Fedichkina-like packaging but it could work for her when all the elements will be ready.

 

[Edwin]

I guess Sof'ya was sad because she failed the 4T at stage 1 as well? No worry brave girl, you'll definitely get it!

Probably, but AFAIK neither she nor Rozanov gave any comments so far. For Sof'ya, it's probably better to stay away from the press at her age, but Rozanov could have told something as the adult in charge.

Sof'ya looks to be in a growth spurt and perhaps she struggles with her coordination a little? Hopefully she'll settle down by the time of the Russian Cup finals. Now it is most likely up to the #TeamDavydov girls to challenge in their event.

 

[silverfoxes]

I KNOW!!! wasn't she proclaimed 'Eteri's least favourite', "Eteri's writing her off", "Eteri doesn't care about her".
Ehm... The tables have turned! At least people will stop speculating whether Eteri hates her own skaters... for a week or so maybe

Do the fanfiction writers really ever stop? They who know it all just based on k&c interactions, who goes with whom to a competition...

I suppose they have a bit less time to spread their nonsense during the actual season. This thread was unbearable to look at over the summer.

 

[Tolstoj]

It wasn't a case that they wanted Kostornaia to win and made it happen. Alena made it happen and absolutely deserved her scores.
Liza just wasn't as good. Even her jumps didn't save her this time and neither did hand signals and sass.

Well overall yes absolutely, Alena deserved to win, she was clearly better in the free.

The scores after the SP were controversial to say the least: 5 points behind a skater who doesn't even have the 3a in the program, that's probably what they thought when they saw them.

 

[starla16]

very good score for a debut
she has a queenly aura, just needs work on increasing her step sequences coz its slow.

 

[Artemisa]

And so they have the nerve to call the Russian press yellow tabloids...

Kostornaia can only win over Trusova if he makes serious mistakes, he always won that way (JGPF 2018). Today skating clean Trusova has 175 points or more. Kostornaia will not exceed 165 with PCS better than those of Yuna Kim, and we all know that Trusova will never be more than 5 points below her in SP.

And do not forget that Trusova is training 3A, at some point it will dominate and thus goodbye competition, will have an SP of 80 + FS of at least 180. There you will only have to wait for Zhilina to be a senior to defeat her with her same TES.

Yes ... but is more difficult for trusova skate clean than kostornaia ... and that can be a factor ..
The same way trusova is training 3 A... I don't doubt that Kostornaia maybe is training some type of 4 .... who know's what is happening in Eteri's kingdom...

 

[Edwin]

They probably won't take it as an advice, but perhaps team Mishin understands the benefits of having a fuller program now. Aliona was 5 pts ahead in the SP without a 3A, and posted a massive score in the FS. Elizaveta is lagging behind even with her 3As, and if she wants to be even considered for the team, they need to add more transitions.

Russian TV commentators said Mishin behaved like an ostrich when the 3A swept the podium in last season's Nationals, ignoring the progressive approach to high level figure skating by some Moscow rink. Now it's probably too late and Tuktamysheva herselfs seems to remain completely unfazed by her deficiencies. With 4 Amazing Aces at this level, 3 on the team and one reserve, there is no practical need at the moment for any of the skaters from 'second flight in Test Skates'. Unless for political reasons one of the Aces needs to be dropped ...