2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Scott512]

And so they have the nerve to call the Russian press yellow tabloids...

Kostornaia can only win over Trusova if he makes serious mistakes, he always won that way (JGPF 2018). Today skating clean Trusova has 175 points or more. Kostornaia will not exceed 165 with PCS better than those of Yuna Kim, and we all know that Trusova will never be more than 5 points below her in SP.

And do not forget that Trusova is training 3A, at some point it will dominate and thus goodbye competition, will have an SP of 80 + FS of at least 180. There you will only have to wait for Zhilina to be a senior to defeat her with her same TES.

So you have Sasha scoring 180 in addition to 80 in the short program that's a total of of of 260! And the 180 you have Sasha with and just the free skate is more than some fine ladies score combined short program and free skate.

Do the fanfiction writers really ever stop? They who know it all just based on k&c interactions, who goes with whom to a competition...

I suppose they have a bit less time to spread their nonsense during the actual season. This thread was unbearable to look at over the summer.

Will it stop? Not likely.

 

[Artemisa]

Do the fanfiction writers really ever stop? They who know it all just based on k&c interactions, who goes with whom to a competition...

I suppose they have a bit less time to spread their nonsense during the actual season. This thread was unbearable to look at over the summer.

I'm surprise that a this point this forum doesn't have their only tv show ..so many are the theories .. cast for the villain or hero Eteri

 

[Mishaminion]

Well overall yes absolutely, Alena deserved to win, she was clearly better in the free.

The scores after the SP were controversial to say the least: 5 points behind a skater who doesn't even have the 3a in the program, that's probably what they thought when they saw them.

I did think WTH at first with Liza's SP but then saw how many points she threw away on spins and steps, plus finally getting dinged for her flip edge. PCS was actually better than Lombardia, she was rewarded for putting the original music back to fit the program better, don't know why on earth it was ever changed in the first place.

 

[silverfoxes]

Well overall yes absolutely, Alena deserved to win, she was clearly better in the free.

The scores after the SP were controversial to say the least: 5 points behind a skater who doesn't even have the 3a in the program, that's probably what they thought when they saw them.

So having a 3A should trump everything else? Then why even bother presenting the rest of the program? Alena is a complete package with far superior transitions, spins, artistry, etc. If Liza cannot understand where she falls short, then Mishin has really failed her as a coach.

 

[Tolstoj]

I did think WTH at first eith Liza's SP but then saw how many points she threw away on spins and steps. PCS was actually better than Lombardia, she was rewarded for putting the original music back to fit the program better, don't know why on earth it was ever changed in the first place.

Imo that was a terrible move from either Mishin or RusFed (almost sabotage).

Admitting you skate to a music with a choreography meant to be for another piece, is like giving an excuse to judges to give you low scores in Performance and Composition since the skating is not to the music.

Like even if the decision made sense, do not say that was the same choreography.

 

[Tolstoj]

So having a 3A should trump everything else? Then why even bother presenting the rest of the program? Alena is a complete package with far superior transitions, spins, artistry, etc. If Liza cannot understand where she falls short, then Mishin has really failed her as a coach.

They probably didn't know about the edge call on the flip cause i believe this is the first event where Liza gets an edge call on that element, it's quite unusual.

Cause that really brought down the TES more than anything else: tech panel call the element, and judges also gives negative GOE on top despite the combination was landed. PCS were actually higher compared to Lombardia Trophy.

 

[JazzUp]

I'm surprise that a this point this forum doesn't have their only tv show ..so many are the theories .. cast for the villain or hero Eteri

Villain, and villain only! the day Eteri is considered a hero on any GS forum is the day the hell freezes over.

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Alyona the proud winner

 

[JazzUp]

Imo that was a terrible move from either Mishin or RusFed (almost sabotage).

RusFed?!? You seriously think RusFed controls the music choices of Russian skaters? "Comrade Mishin, you need to change Comrade Tuktamysheva's SP music to something more bland!" ?

 

[Artemisa]

Russian TV commentators said Mishin behaved like an ostrich when the 3A swept the podium in last season's Nationals, ignoring the progressive approach to high level figure skating by some Moscow rink. Now it's probably too late and Tuktamysheva herselfs seems to remain completely unfazed by her deficiencies. With 4 Amazing Aces at this level, 3 on the team and one reserve, there is no practical need at the moment for any of the 'second flight in Test Skates'. Unless for political reasons one of the Aces needs to be dropped ...

I don't think is late... But at least they have to try... I don't get why Liza don't have 3-3 she is a very good jumper ... and she have personality so it's not that dificult to create a good program that fit that ...

 

[Tolstoj]

RusFed?!? You seriously think RusFed controls the music choices of Russian skaters?

Oh yeah, Federation people and judges watch the programs behind closed doors even before the Test Skates and give their feedbacks to the skaters.

Ultimately i think the coach has the last say, but taking in consideration all these feedbacks and suggestions.

In Season 2016-17 Mikhail Kolyada kept his Nigthingale Tango SP from the previous season before the test skates because apparently someone from the Federation hated the new Short, it wasn't even worthy of showing it for them, that's at least what articles said.

 

[Mishaminion]

They probably didn't know about the edge call on the flip cause i believe this is the first event where Liza gets an edge call on that element, it's quite unusual.

Cause that really brought down the TES more than anything else: tech panel call the element, and judges also gives negative GOE on top despite the combination was landed. PCS were actually higher compared to Lombardia Trophy.

And rightly so, it was the wrong edge.

I think her level 3's cost her worse though, a skater of her supposed caliber should not be failing to reach level 4, especially when her main rivals do so consistently.

 

[Mishaminion]

Oh yeah, Federation people and judges watch the programs behind closed doors even before the Test Skates and give their feedbacks to the skaters.

Ultimately i think the coach has the last word, but they take in consideration all these feedbacks and suggestions.

In Season 2016-17 Mikhail Kolyada kept his Nigthingale Tango SP from the previous season before the test skates because apparently someone from the Federation hated the new Short.

That's not the same as controlling it, it wasn't just slapping random music on to a newer program designed for something different.

 

[Tolstoj]

That's not the same as controlling it, and besides...Liza already had changed it before test skates.

Same happened with Kolyada that year.

Like i said, they watch these programs before the Test Skates, that's something even skaters and coaches sometimes mention in interviews. Still Mishin could have said no, and keep it anyway, he has the last decision.

Eteri kept Medvedeva's 9/11 free program despite it wasn't well received at first, skaters and coaches spoke about it after the Test Skates.

 

[Mishaminion]

Same happened with Kolyada that year.

Like i said, they watch these programs before the Test Skates, that's something even skaters and coaches sometimes mention in interviews.

I corrected it. He went back to an old program, that's all. Probably by his own choice

 

[Tolstoj]

I corrected it. He went back to an old program, that's all. Probably by his own choice

That's not what everyone said at the time.

Regarding slapping a different music but keeping the choreo that was Mishin, probably a decision made to save time, she would have not been able to go back in Canada to work on a new program and another program not made by Shae-Lynn would have felt less interesting.

Like i said, yes i agree it was a terrible move by whoever made that happen, thankfully they went back to the original music in time for the GP season.

 

[Mishaminion]

Same happened with Kolyada that year.

Like i said, they watch these programs before the Test Skates, that's something even skaters and coaches sometimes mention in interviews. Still Mishin could have said no, and keep it anyway, he has the last decision.

Eteri kept Medvedeva's 9/11 free program despite it wasn't well received at first, skaters and coaches spoke about it after the Test Skates.

So clearly Rusfed couldn't make Eteri change Zhenya's music but could Liza's? Lol

Bearing in mind the sensitive nature of Zhenya's program choice, some people found it tasteless and tacky.
What reason would they have to feel so strongly about Liza's not even controversial original music?

 

[nussnacker]

And rightly so, it was the wrong edge.

I think her level 3's cost her worse though, a skater of her supposed caliber should not be failing to reach level 4, especially when her main rivals do so consistently.

Agree. She lost about 3 points on that flip call, the levels definitely costed her more.

 

[JazzUp]

That's not what everyone said at the time.

Oh, so "everyone said" is a valid source for you? Ok.

 

[Tolstoj]

So clearly Rusfed couldn't make Eteri change Zhenya's music but could Liza's? Lol

Re-read the posts.

I think coach always has the last say on everything, but RusFed and judges send their feedbacks, and you want to listen to them cause some of these judges will score you in competition. All skaters take these suggestions very seriously.

Judges send feedbacks even during warmups the days before a competition.

In the case of the 9/11 program, we don't know their opinions on it, but even if they were negative, the coach ultimately chose to keep it. (again restarting a program from scratch in September can ruin a season, it can take a lot of time you should spend on other things)

 

[Tolstoj]

Oh, so "everyone said" is a valid source for you? Ok.

It's at least more accurate than someone's opinion 3 years after. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

What's relevant here is that yes, there are behind closed doors skates where RusFed can watch these programs.