2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Mishaminion]

I hope Sinitsyna gets whatever issues out of her system here, rather than at a more prestigious competition. I think she's turning into a magnificent skater.

Sinitsyna, Usacheva, and Valieva are the Russian junior skaters I really enjoy watching these days. I am still rooting for Tarakanova, too, but my nerves are on edge every time she steps on the ice...

Sinitsyna was fantastic at JGP, so hoping she was just having a bad day and nothing more. She's great, and like Kostornaia could in Juniors can challenge even without quads.

Tarakanova has never been high on my favourites list...I'm not sure what it is but I just do not get her at all, all I feel watching her is uneasy and confused why many others rate her so highly

 

[Nord Stream 2]

Sinitsyna was fantastic at JGP, so hoping she was just having a bad day and nothing more. She's great, and like Kostornaia could in Juniors can challenge even without quads.

Tarakanova has never been high on my favourites list...I'm not sure what it is but I just do not get her at all, all I feel watching her is uneasy and confused why many others rate her so highly

Once in a hundred years and the stick shoots.
You just haven't seen much of her.
At full speed, she is able to carry Ovechkin overboard.

 

[Mishaminion]

Once in a hundred years and the stick shoots.
You just haven't seen much of her.
At full speed, she is able to carry Ovechkin overboard.

I've watched as much of her as I have any of the Russian Juniors. She is good, lots to like, but... I fail to connect with her skating somehow.

 

[Finley]

It is rumored that in Crystal even the watchman can make 4T. But since at the moment < , so he does not put it on the Internet.
It's not really a joke.

This guy needs to get it together.

 

[Nord Stream 2]

This guy needs to get it together.

He still has 3A in the works. Also not yet presentable.

 

[starla16]

Scherbakova needs to stay thin coz the upper shoulder rotation is only as good as it gets when Med was with that technique.
I have seen pictures her mother was stick thin so genetics may decide her future not technique barring injuries.

 

[colormyworld240]

So I just watched a new clip of Anna’s 4Lz!3T and to me it looks like she uses her arms a lot to get the rotation in. Same as Evgenia used to, but different from Alyona, Alina or Sasha. Is there a reason some Eteri girls jump this way and not others?

In addition to different first coaches, the girls also have different body types and limitations. Sasha is someone who has very strong muscular legs which gives her big jumps. Anna doesn't really have that, unfortunately; but she is more slender which allows her to rotate faster. But all that said, I think it was measured and Anna's 4Lz is as high as Sasha's, so there's not much of a difference there in terms of power from legs.

 

[colormyworld240]

Sinitsyna was fantastic at JGP, so hoping she was just having a bad day and nothing more. She's great, and like Kostornaia could in Juniors can challenge even without quads.

Tarakanova has never been high on my favourites list...I'm not sure what it is but I just do not get her at all, all I feel watching her is uneasy and confused why many others rate her so highly

She's known for her amazing skating skills. When she was still with Panova prior to her international debut, like Anna was known for her musicality, Tarakanova already had a huge following for her SS. Imo, she's still the best among the Russian ladies in that area, but everything else has declined.

 

[Jontor]

I doubt Anna's going to get 75, but a lot will depend on the quality of her lutz-loop combo (which has been called UR both at Lombardia Trophy and Skate America)

I wish Anna would change the combo to 3F3Lo, and then have the 3Lz as the solo jump. That wouldn't change the BV that much and I think she would have higher success with it.

 

[Jontor]

It will be interesting to see how Liza has changed her programs this weekend. Every single time we have seen her this season she has changed her routines. What is she going for? 3A+3T? 3Lz+3T? The stakes are high, and she knows that. She can't do much about Anna it seems, but she can challenge that other triksel lady, and she knows she needs to beat her.

Edit: I just rewatched Young You's programs from SC. She is maxed in her short with 3A, 3Lz+3T and 3F. Very hard to beat her if she's clean.
In the long she has just one 3A, but she fell on that in SC, and I wonder if she has a plan B to add another 3A if she lands the first? Anyway, she has two 3Lz's it seems. So BV seems to be higher than Liza's - Liza really needs to up her game here...

 

[Mishaminion]

It will be interesting to see how Liza has changed her programs this weekend. Every single time we have seen her this season she has changed her routines. What is she going for? 3A+3T? 3Lz+3T? The stakes are high, and she knows that. She can't do much about Anna it seems, but she can challenge that other triksel lady, and she knows she needs to beat her.

Hopefully she's found a layout that works and sticks to it, constantly revising her programs is counterproductive

 

[Jontor]

Hopefully she's found a layout that works and sticks to it, constantly revising her programs is counterproductive

Agree, constantly changing the layout is not good, but this time she needs to. The layout she had at SA isn't enough to beat Young You.

 

[Greengemmonster]

Question about judging.

If it's RusNats do they have a full panel of international judges? Or is it just judges from that country ie RusNats will only have Russian judges since it's their national competition.

Is it the same for other nationals like US, Japanese etc

 

[Jontor]

Question about judging.

If it's RusNats do they have a full panel of international judges? Or is it just judges from that country ie RusNats will only have Russian judges since it's their national competition.

Is it the same for other nationals like US, Japanese etc

I think it is only national judges.

 

[Mishaminion]

Agree, constantly changing the layout is not good, but this time she needs to. The layout she had at SA isn't enough to beat Young You.

It's not, and I think changing her combo to 3T-3T was why she made a mistake on it. The constantly changing layout makes it hard for her to get into the proper rhythm and timing of it.
But then again, like you said, that combo is not going to help ger get ahead of Young You if she's clean, so it's possible she's changed it, again.

It is almost as if TeamMishin were completely unprepared for the challenges Liza would face with the the talented juniors moving up to seniors.

 

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[Scott512]

A strange relationship between Ksenia and Moiseeva 3:20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SRxbqbAAoI&feature=youtu.be
And such a love for Shabotova https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXdvSIN-Ygw

What's going on there?
Maybe Ksenia wants to take a step in the other direction.....?
Panova needs to take action.

who was that skating? Nice.

It's not, and I think changing her combo to 3T-3T was why she made a mistake on it. The constantly changing layout makes it hard for her to get into the proper rhythm and timing of it.
But then again, like you said, that combo is not going to help ger get ahead of Young You if she's clean, so it's possible she's changed it, again.

It is almost as if TeamMishin were completely unprepared for the challenges Liza would face with the the talented juniors moving up to seniors.

Your last paragraph says it all. Liza with her own triple axel for years couldn't even make the 2018 Winter Olympic team. She's really good of course but sometimes it seems like Liza has let the new generation slip by her.

 

[Amei]

I wish Anna would change the combo to 3F3Lo, and then have the 3Lz as the solo jump. That wouldn't change the BV that much and I think she would have higher success with it.

Hopefully if the combo is called with another UR (even though I think the Lombardia was a bogus call) in the SP that they will change it to a 3lz+3t going forward or something that she it's unlikely she gets an UR due to her landing unless its truly UR - while yes she would sacrifice her BV her 3Lz+3Lo isn't giving her much in GOE where it's an advantage; a 3Lz+3T with positive GOE would probably put her better than an UR 3lz+3Lo.

 

[Amei]

Your last paragraph says it all. Liza with her own triple axel for years couldn't even make the 2018 Winter Olympic team. She's really good of course but sometimes it seems like Liza has let the new generation slip by her.

I think you can honestly say that about all of the ladies - they all have known for about 2 years that Shcherbakova and Trusova were doing quads and especially the last year it was pretty clear that the quads were something they were going to compete with as seniors, but it seems that none of the skaters that were seniors already really started training a quad until this past offseason so they are still learning them and learning the stamina to do them and do them with the rest of a FS program.

 

[hippomoomin]

This is the probably the worst skate she had in recent years. It looks she could not get enough height in her jumps, though I don't think her jumps were high to start with. I just started to like Ksenia this season because of her performance ability, but now I am a little worried about her growth spurt. It may affect her like Sofia with her jumps.

Ksenia's SP at Volvo Cup
https://youtu.be/_SRxbqbAAoI