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2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

I remember them posting Alina doing quads in a harness. Does this mean Alina has the quad also?

If I remember correctly she said a few weeks ago that she would need to “lose at least 3 kilos to do a quad“ (which is a terrible and unhealthy idea but what‘s new) so I’m not sure she has it already. Maybe training alongside the 3A and all their crazy tricks will push her to train a quad or 3A as well. I just hope she stays safe, though, she doesn‘t have to prove anything and imo, I don‘t think she needs a quad. I might be the only one but I would be much happier if she simply cleaned up her posture and skating skills and continued to improve on her artistic maturity. She‘s grown a lot over the last few years and she‘s won everything. I would be very happy simply to watch her grow as an artist instead of having to pray for her not to injure herself every time she sets up a quad... she has nothing left to prove. But I might be the only one thinking like that. Let‘s wait and see what Alina herself thinks about that!
 
Idk, probably, though I‘m no fan of her skating. I do find her personality endearing and like her charming skating. But I think her technique‘s even worse than Shcherbakova‘s on the 4Lz and that‘s saying a lot. And the 3A doesn’t exactly scream quality either. I think she has a lot of potential but like with some of her Russian rivals I wish she‘d focus on developing proper skating skills and jump technique before scrambling to include the ultra-c elements in her programs. But she’ll be a threat for sure, let’s see what will happen at the JGPF and who will end up winning between her, Sinitsyna and Valieva.

Being the sole girl in your rink, your region, perhaps your entire national program with triksels and quads gives Liu and her trainers no real visual reference. Strength of Russia right now is the trikselistas and kwadistkas meet each other at many competitions, monthy almost. So comparing technique, measuring progress, is so much easier for the trainers, and the skaters feel more challenged and perhaps more proud and rewarded by competing directly with each other? Which creates a positive drive and upwards momentum in all of them. You can imagine Akat'yeva and Samodelkina being disappointed with themselves when one of them falls while the other completes the jump, no better motivation to try better next time.

About Zagitova needing to learn quads, doesn't this all depend on the most subjective of PCS? If you strip Medvyedeva, Zagitova, Tuktamysheva of all reputation and longevity bonusses, and remove the most subjective PE, CO and IN components, based on TES and SS, TR, they do need ultra-si to compete with those who already possess ultra-si skills and are quite decent in the TES. Wether these 'older' skaters find it necessary and worth the effort they must decide for themselves.
There is probably a safe weight to jump quads, or perhaps better defined, a power to weight ratio that has to be met? All muscle Trusova is clearly in an advantageous position here, less muscled but leaner still Shcherbakova isn't at a disadvantage either. When their bodies fill out, they probably remain their quads, but perhaps have more difficulty with them, needing to spare themselves more, instead of chucking the skill in every demonstration or post exhibition challenge?

Having acquired a triksel or quad when still a stick shaped girl, you can probably maintain it as you fill out into a young woman. For a young woman to learn rotating skills that depend on 'your figure' is much harder, and all efforts shown on social media seem not to progress pass the 'harness assisted' phase.
 
Those are the most sour grapes tasted ever. Eteri scored 6:0, Sasha has 3A, well, I expect more of this kind of comments in the near, well, future.

Sasha has 3A, Eteri‘s skaters won all 6 events, none of them is Alina. So, what exactly does any of that have to do with her? I find the idea to artificially lose weight to land a jump a terrible and unhealthy idea and it‘s not the first comment of that kind I‘ve heard. That‘s why I hope Alina will not go that route and focus on keeping healthy and skating cleanly instead. She can score close to 240 without a quad and will continue to be a medal contender at every event she enters, so I‘d prefer for her not to ruin her body for a jump. If that‘s sour grapes for you, then I‘ll gladly take them. I prefer my fruit to be a bit sour anyway, too sweet was never to my taste. :shrug:
 
Anna Frolova pleased with her SP score in 5th state of Russian Cup SP, a 69.16 for a clean routine, and did she seem to skate faster and more confident too?
 
Congrats to Alyona

Even with one slight mistake she was superior to everyone

I've been away so I missed a lot, taking time to catch up.

Wow on Sasha's 3A, she is amazing and instead of complaining about the rules she jokes about it; shrugs her shoulders and learns a 3A.

Taking her own destiny into her own hands and no rulebook will stop her doing that
 
So, I‘ve watched it all and I’m not as thrilled as I expected to be, given my favorite winning and all. I think everyone knows by now what a huge Aliona fan I am and yet today I thought the scores just weren‘t .. right. Her 3As both looked UR, with the first one being close to a downgrade, her lutz edge is flat and due to the mistakes her interpretation in the beginning wasn’t as sharp as I’m used to. And... she still wins the FS? Today, I thought Rika was better, even lutz-less. Aliona should have won overall, given the pristine SP and her BV advantage but the FS today was not as good compared to Rika. I can‘t say I‘m angry, I‘m just disappointed at the judging:

No ! calls for either Alina or Aliona and huge GOE even though their edges were clearly flat? Ignored URs for both of them? And that’s not even mentioning PCS. A FS where an Alina who was understandably mostly focused on the jumps and only showed some interpretation in the step sequence gets the highest scores for interpretation? Where she beats Aliona AND Rika in skating skills who are two of the best in the business? The only thing I thought was appropriately judged was Aliona’s composition mark being the lowest of her components. You can be angry at me for saying this but her FS, as much as she likes it (and as much as I have admittedly come to enjoy it) is just not a well choreographed piece. I‘m by no means a huge fan of Rika‘s FS but imo, it shows very well how you combine multiple music cuts without it becoming jarring and confusing. Today, I would have had the PCS: Rika > Aliona > Alina with a reasonable difference from first to second and an even bigger difference from second to third. And just to say that now, this has nothing to do with the skaters. Alina‘s FS is great and had she skated it like at test skates or JO, my ranking might have looked very different. But today she was focused on something else and that was getting the jumps done. More or less the same can be said for Aliona but she at least has good skating skills backing her up.

On any rate, it seems like the letter the ISU got worked. And that just makes me question the sport I‘m watching. For the records, I think the placements are absolutely correct and I‘m happy for Alina and Aliona, they did very well and their medals are absolutely deserved. But I just do not understand the scores being given for what I‘ve seen on the ice.

Now, I‘m not going to lie either. Given the huge scores Sasha gets even for a FS with two falls, I was not too unhappy that Alina and Aliona, who I think are both way better skaters, got scores that indicated that they can compete with Sasha if they skate cleanly. But two wrongs don’t make a right and I just felt that the judging as a whole has not been better since that “inquiry“ to look into the “inconsistent“ judging. On the contrary. Congratulations to Aliona and Alina, however, and well done. But I think it’ll take some time to stop caring about that. Sometimes I manage to block out the judging and just focus on watching the skaters that I love, but today that was not the case. I’m working on it, though, because the way things are now, it looks like nothing’s going to change in quite a while. And losing so many nerves over unfair judging that‘s never going to change would be.. quite stupid. But oh well. Sometimes I just can’t help it. :laugh: :shrug:

But again, congrats to the girls who are not at fault for any of this. Seeing them happy certainly makes me a bit more happy too. :)

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Agreed with the whole thing.
 
Sasha has 3A, Eteri‘s skaters won all 6 events, none of them is Alina. So, what exactly does any of that have to do with her? I find the idea to artificially lose weight to land a jump a terrible and unhealthy idea and it‘s not the first comment of that kind I‘ve heard. That‘s why I hope Alina will not go that route and focus on keeping healthy and skating cleanly instead. She can score close to 240 without a quad and will continue to be a medal contender at every event she enters, so I‘d prefer for her not to ruin her body for a jump. If that‘s sour grapes for you, then I‘ll gladly take them. I prefer my fruit to be a bit sour anyway, too sweet was never to my taste. :shrug:

Most women do a 3A by stepping outside the arc on the entrance, (sort of classic technique), but Trusova is using more masculine technique-by relying on lift and not stepping outside the arc. Interesting. And I'm happy for her, I remember that clip of her breaking down and crying in frustration. In the clip she looks so darn happy. Good for her.
 
Anna Frolova pleased with her SP score in 5th state of Russian Cup SP, a 69.16 for a clean routine, and did she seem to skate faster and more confident too?

Best I've seen either her or Maya skate. But we are peak season, so it stands to figure. Both look strong and confident.
 
Congrats to Alyona

Even with one slight mistake she was superior to everyone

I've been away so I missed a lot, taking time to catch up.

Wow on Sasha's 3A, she is amazing and instead of complaining about the rules she jokes about it; shrugs her shoulders and learns a 3A.

Taking her own destiny into her own hands and no rulebook will stop her doing that

Sasha’s sending a message that the rules are stupid and if the ISU is going to use it to selectively suppress the technically gifted ladies then she’s going to tear their rules into pieces. :cool14:
 
Most women do a 3A by stepping outside the arc on the entrance, (sort of classic technique), but Trusova is using more masculine technique-by relying on lift and not stepping outside the arc. Interesting. And I'm happy for her, I remember that clip of her breaking down and crying in frustration. In the clip she looks so darn happy. Good for her.

You know what? I‘m actually happy for her too. I knew she wanted that jump for a long time and now she got it. I thought it was just a matter of time so it didn‘t surprise me too much but it‘s still nice to see. I bet she feels proud and she should be. I’m no fan but you gotta acknowledge the determination she has. It‘s insane.
 
That is a damn good 3A from Sasha, she does it exactly how I imagined she would...like katymay said, a technique more like the men
 
Sasha has 3A, Eteri‘s skaters won all 6 events, none of them is Alina. So, what exactly does any of that have to do with her? I find the idea to artificially lose weight to land a jump a terrible and unhealthy idea and it‘s not the first comment of that kind I‘ve heard. That‘s why I hope Alina will not go that route and focus on keeping healthy and skating cleanly instead. She can score close to 240 without a quad and will continue to be a medal contender at every event she enters, so I‘d prefer for her not to ruin her body for a jump. If that‘s sour grapes for you, then I‘ll gladly take them. I prefer my fruit to be a bit sour anyway, too sweet was never to my taste. :shrug:

People have different levels of optimum height-weight ratios, I suppose if Alina feels like a different ratio would be more optimal, coaches and doctors around her advise her to have that ratio, she should go for it and listen to professionals around her.
Losing weight isn’t necessarily equal to ruining anyone’s body.
 
Sasha’s sending a message that the rules are stupid and if the ISU is going to use it to selectively suppress the technically gifted ladies then she’s going to tear their rules into pieces. :cool14:

There are no rules to “selectively suppress the technically gifted ladies“. On the contrary, the current system heavily favors the jumpers. Which is alright, rules are rules, it‘s not up to me to make them. But to suggest otherwise that jumpers are somehow “suppressed“ is more than a reach, like, come on.
 
Daria has a nice 2A and a good 3T. I expect she‘ll try to land a 3A or quad next.

I think we can be fairly sure everyone in Eteris team has tried it. It is wheter or not she has or will land it that is the more interesting question. But I agree that Daria has good spring on her 2A and 3T so 3A or 4T will hopefully come.
 
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