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2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

:otopic: YOG conflicts with US Nationals, so Alysa will be at Nationals instead.

Good luck to Sinitsyna and Vasilieva (:pray:) at YOG, and to everyone at nationals next week!

If Vasilieva doesn't end up going (which could end up happening considering how close the YOG are to nats), Tarakanova would go right? Although there is Frolova who is also age eligible I think, who technically was ranked higher than Tarakanova on the JGP, but I think it should still be given to Tarakanova. Either way it would be convenient for Panova.
 
Thanks for the info! :thank:

I'm not sure how much it matters for the training of figure skaters, but personally I prefer the Mariinsky ballet/Vaganova Academy-trained dancers over the Bolshoi... ;) In my opinion, they have better use of their upper body and arms. (I once attended a talk with Polina Semionova, who trained at the Bolshoi school, and even she said she wished she had trained at the Vaganova academy instead.) That is one advantage the skaters in St Petersburg have--I seem to recall that Yuri Smekalov from Mariinsky choreographed a program for Liza T..?

The difference is even more night and day if you look at the boys. SPB mens often have great posture, better skating skills.

I want to see more programs from Mariinsky but also for non Mishin-skaters, since he tends to water down everything anyway.
 
Apparently there has been a live press conference with Navka and Zagitova: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDMhbvTTP1s

Nothing new released. A very long wait with the host talking a lot and answering social media questions. Navka talked about her show, the composer/arranger was with her.
Alina talked little, confirmed she is taking a break from competition, but otherwise wisely avoided any questions into her future. For the immediate, it is about participating in the show and making it a success.
 
Wut. I'm shocked how less musical Kostornaia comes across in these videos. Guess all those posters raving about Scherb's musicality were onto something.

It just shows that she has less music and body movements awareness. It really has been quite obvious that Anya is the most naturally musical among the 3A, you can see that in her performance on ice. She reminds me quite a bit like Sasha Cohen but the natural musicality potential could not be maximized due to the weak SS. Aliona can perform and interpret much better on ice overall largely because of her much better SS, edge control and posture which gives her that floaty, glide across the ice. As this is skating, the on ice impression means more than the natural, innate musicality that cannot be brought to full fruition.
 
It just shows that she has less music and body movements awareness. It really has been quite obvious that Anya is the most naturally musical among the 3A, you can see that in her performance on ice. She reminds me quite a bit like Sasha Cohen but the natural musicality potential could not be maximized due to the weak SS. Aliona can perform and interpret much better on ice overall largely because of her much better SS, edge control and posture which gives her that floaty, glide across the ice. As this is skating, the on ice impression means more than the natural, innate musicality that cannot be brought to full fruition.

This. Anna is more musical, but she isn't more artistic as a figure skater. You have to have the foundational SS and posture to sell a performance on the ice. There is no doubt she is the best dancer at Eteri's school and she would have been a fabulous ballerina. But, Alena (while really not a musical skater... she is frequently off her music) has the foundational skating that allows her programs to shine. So, Alena is more artistic on the ice even though she dances about as well as I do on the floor. ;)
 
So after the new Tutberidze dancing video came out I want to say that awhile ago I stated that Anna has better musicality and artistry than Alena and not ONE single person agreed with me. Now I'm asking you all to watch the video and compare Alena to Anna because it is very clearly evident how much better musicality Anna has compared to Alena

Sorry don’t agree. She is a tad bit ahead of the music and that very loosely goosey arms, legs and body gyration is just too overdone it looks so uncoordinated and not aesthetically correct. Some of the movements need to be controlled and hers was just too splayed out, thrashing almost. Prefer the more controlled, not so exaggerated movements of Alyona, graceful yet hitting the musical beats perfectly. Also that dance choreography was awful but somehow Alyona made it less cringe. Yikes.
 
So, I'm thinking...the Top6 at Nationals are quite certain, right?. I think they are:

Anna Shcherbakova
Alena Kostornaia
Alexandra Trusova
Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
Evgenia Medvedeva
Ksenia Sinitsyna

I really can't see anyone else get into that Top6.

If someone else gets in there, that would be a sensation don't you think?

Multiple skaters usually bomb at Rusnats. Last year was rough on more than one skater.

Ksenia? What has she ever done to make you think she's an automatic for the top six? Beautiful skater for sure but I just don't see she's an automatic for the top six. The pressure on these ladies at this event is immense much worse than that Europeans for instance.
 
Sorry don’t agree. She is a tad bit ahead of the music and that very loosely goosey arms, legs and body gyration is just too overdone it looks so uncoordinated and not aesthetically correct. Some of the movements need to be controlled and hers was just too splayed out, thrashing almost. Prefer the more controlled, not so exaggerated movements of Alyona, graceful yet hitting the musical beats perfectly. Also that dance choreography was awful but somehow Alyona made it less cringe. Yikes.

Respectfully, I disagree. Anna's movements are exactly the way you need them to be for the sort of dance they're doing. It's the choreography and the style you might not like but in the end, that's what they're doing and Anna responds to it perfectly. She was on beat the entire time and very obviously so the best dancer of the group.

I do think this is Aliona's problem as well - her movements are controlled, fluid and smooth and the style of dance that they're doing in Tutberidze's off-ice choreography lessons is sort of hip-hop like, often exaggerated and what you called "thrashing". Aliona (and Daria Usacheva) would greatly benefit from being allowed to do the more classical sort of dancing, I feel that would be more true to their style and would showcase their abilities better.

In general though, this video does show that Anna is the best dancer because it looks like she can respond to any style well. However, what we're judging is the skating and not the dancing and readernick has explained very well (imo) why Aliona still looks like the better SKATER overall. Anna is musical but her lack of skating skills greatly limits her and makes her look juniorish. Aliona, however, is artistically mature, moves very well on the ice and performs too. And it's not just princess-y, slow type of music with one facial expression that she can do, like it was said by some last year. The Twilight program is bad but it has one simple but effective advantage: it allows Aliona to show that she can be fierce and sassy and entertaining. In the end, Anna is the more musical skater without any doubts. And off-ice I would watch her any day. But on ice Aliona just has that sort of special quality that you cannot teach - just like you can't teach innate musicality. This, in combination with her skating skills, makes her the more artistic skater and the one who should receive the overall higher components. Now, I do wish Anna would improve on her basic skating because with Aliona's SS (and her jumping technique) she would be even more of a total package than Aliona is. But right now, with the sort of flaws that she has, she isn't. This doesn't make her bad, of course, her PCS should still be the second highest of the 3A and in "interpretation of the music", she can even beat Aliona. And her TES can help her win over Aliona any day. But the other parts of the components, Aliona has her beaten fair and square and yes, a great part of that is due to skating skills, posture and overall movement on the ice. Again, skating and dancing aren't the same sport. So, Anna is the better dancer but Aliona has the sort of qualities that make her the better skater.

My two cents on this topic.

Wanted to add for Sasha... Watching the video, I did feel like she was improving and it showed me what I've been thinking for a long time as well: She's good at the "technical" side of dancing but not so much at the rest. Meaning, she hits the beats and does the moves when they're supposed to be done but she still looks stiff and sort of unnatural when dancing. Her movements aren't fluid or graceful at all and it gives more of an impression of someone having studied the choreography perfectly but not actually feeling any of it. Especially her upper body movement needs a lot of improvement.


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For the upcoming RusNats, I have a feeling Anna will repeat as National Champ unless Sasha manages to land her 5 quad layout + the 3A. Aliona is rumored to be injured and those rumors usually turn out to be true, even if I hate it. So, I don't know where to put her in my predictions. Does anyone know something more concrete? I desperately want to see her at Euros and it would break my heart if she had to withdraw (or even worse, miss the Worlds) due to injury like last year. I have nothing against Anna, Sasha or Elizaveta but I feel like these three will be the Euros team if Aliona has to withdraw. And while I like them, none of them is my favourite. So, for purely selfish reasons (and because I want Aliona to be healthy, of course!!) I hope that for the first time, the injury rumors turn out to be just that. :pray:
 
Kostornaya hasn't been seen going all out in training since GP Finals, neither on nor off the ice (like in these dance clips).

We'll have to wait and see in what condition she will appear in the Nationals, in full strength with full difficulty, nursing this injury with reduced difficulty or being pulled at the last moment, denying a reserve chance to compete?
 
Kostornaya hasn't been seen going all out in training since GP Finals, neither on nor off the ice (like in these dance clips).

We'll have to wait and see in what condition she will appear in the Nationals, in full strength with full difficulty, nursing this injury with reduced difficulty or being pulled at the last moment, denying a reserve chance to compete?

Please be healthy, Aliona! :sad21:
 
Sasha needs that RusNats title more than any other. In the current circumstances the RusNats ladies title is considered major.
If Aliona isn't fully fit or WD, the game rules changed.
 
Kostornaya hasn't been seen going all out in training since GP Finals, neither on nor off the ice (like in these dance clips).

We'll have to wait and see in what condition she will appear in the Nationals, in full strength with full difficulty, nursing this injury with reduced difficulty or being pulled at the last moment, denying a reserve chance to compete?

Have there been reports she hasn’t been training all out at home since GPF? If so, can you link it here?

The only thing I’ve heard is the 1 article from Max Ambesi about a small problem with her tibia at GPF, but no other information since.
 
If Aliona doesn’t compete at Russian nationals would they put her on the Europeans team? Russian ladies are so deep I couldn’t see how it would be fair to put her on the team for example if 2As & Medvedeva podium at nationals
 
It would be totally unfair to put the current international record holder of scores in the short and overall, and gpf champion Aliona on the national team, undefeated so far this season, totally unfair. I mean... if rusfed would do it, I totally expect people to question their sanity and whether they are corrupt or not!
Who in their right mind would put Aliona on the team?
 
If Aliona doesn’t compete at Russian nationals would they put her on the Europeans team? Russian ladies are so deep I couldn’t see how it would be fair to put her on the team for example if 2As & Medvedeva podium at nationals

If this happens and as long as Alena recovers by Euros, I think that she should be put on the team. She has the short program and total score world record. In addition, she is undefeated this season. Even if Alena doesn’t jump her triple axel in her short program, she can still score close to 80 points if she is clean. Now if Zhenya lands a quad salchow at Nats and it is consistent in practice, then that will make things a little more interesting. Team Eteri and Aliona are probably trying to compete at Nats though after what happened last season. They probably won’t want to take the chance.
 
It would be totally unfair to put the current international record holder of scores in the short and overall, and gpf champion Aliona on the national team, undefeated so far this season, totally unfair. I mean... if rusfed would do it, I totally expect people to question their sanity and whether they are corrupt or not!
Who in their right mind would put Aliona on the team?

you are talking about rusfed .... No one think they are mentally sane:devil:
 
Sasha needs that RusNats title more than any other. In the current circumstances the RusNats ladies title is considered major.
If Aliona isn't fully fit or WD, the game rules changed.

Everyone needs the title of the Champion of Russia equally, since it's not just major, but the main and most prestige title in the figure skating world
 
If Aliona doesn’t compete at Russian nationals would they put her on the Europeans team? Russian ladies are so deep I couldn’t see how it would be fair to put her on the team for example if 2As & Medvedeva podium at nationals
Yes Alena goes to Euros. Why? Her year has been brilliant even more so than Anna and Sasha whom she pretty easily beat at GPF an important event. I am tired of Rusnats meaning so much when its convenient for the fed. If Alyiona is not healthy do not skate.
 
If Aliona doesn’t compete at Russian nationals would they put her on the Europeans team? Russian ladies are so deep I couldn’t see how it would be fair to put her on the team for example if 2As & Medvedeva podium at nationals

Isn’t the third spot decided by the coaching council? If the results are 2A + Medvedeva (or Tuktamysheva), Aliona should definitely be sent. She is the GPF champion and her results this season were better. Besides, as much as I love Zhenya, 2A + Tuk is the more likely result if Aliona doesn‘t go. Tuk has a quad + 3A now. Even with Zhenya‘s PCS advantage, she can‘t beat that. Which is why I’m so anxious. Like I said, I have nothing against any of Sasha, Anna or Liza but since Euros will probably be the only competition I‘ll go in the next time, I really want to see one of my favorites there. Selfish, I know but I can‘t change it. (I‘d still cheer madly for a team of Anna, Sasha and Liza, of course... but if I could choose, I‘d choose differently)
 
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