2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Jontor]

I don't get your point. Alena and Kamila receive very big GOE for their beautiful triples. That's why a quadless Alena won the GPF and could win the Rusnats unless she had 2 shaky landings. That's why Kamila without a 3A and quads won over Alysa with 3A and quads. I think that the current system is quite balanced.

Yes. The Junior GPF is a perfect example.

Kamila had BV 60.91, and efter GOE a total technical score of 75.87.
Alysa BV 74.89 and total tech 73.40 (incl -1 for a fall)
Alysa's BV would have been 81.09 without the URs.

So Kamila managed to turn a 20 point disadvantage in tech BV to victory with great GOE on well executed elements.

 

[Tolstoj]

Yes. The Junior GPF is a perfect example.

Kamila had BV 60.91, and efter GOE a total technical score of 75.87.
Alysa BV 74.89 and total tech 73.40 (incl -1 for a fall)
Alysa's BV would have been 81.09 without the URs.

So Kamila managed to turn a 20 point disadvantage in tech BV to victory with great GOE on well executed elements.

That was smart planning from the coaches because if Kamila attempted her 2 quad toes with one fall (like in Chelyabinsk) i think judges would have given the title to Alysa.

The whole judging at the final was very old style, rewarding more the clean performances.

I kinda liked it, i think for the casual viewer was also easier to understand, judging for the components score also i thought it was more accurate than usual, and you know with this kind of judging you're less inclined to include elements that look more like planned falls.

 

[nussnacker]

That was smart planning from the coaches because if Kamila attempted her 2 quad toes with one fall (like in Chelyabinsk) i think judges would have given the title to Alysa.

The whole judging at the final was very old style, rewarding more the clean performances.

I kinda liked it, i think for the casual viewer was also easier to understand, judging for the components score also i thought it was more accurate than usual, and you know with this kind of judging you're less inclined to include elements that look more like planned falls.

Components for juniors at jgpf were pretty much identical for all 6 in the short, and in the free the deviations were minimal. I don’t think components affected the results at jgpf, it was more about tes.

 

[nussnacker]

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7IxBW3JXz-/
Gulyakova‘s 3A!

 

[DenissVFan]

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7IxBW3JXz-/
Gulyakova‘s 3A!

Go get it girl!

 

[nussnacker]

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7IypB7JV2H/
And another one! Samodurova‘s 3A attempt!
Did not expect that Sofia would manage to get close to 3A, but here we are! Amazing!

 

[skatenewbie]

Both are still quite far from rotated (though Gulyakova have shown rotated 3A before) but they have plenty of time to train it, hopefully they can put it in program next season.

 

[LenaRadiFan]

Both are still quite far from rotated (though Gulyakova have shown rotated 3A before) but they have plenty of time to train it, hopefully they can put it in program next season.

Really? Maybe my eyes are just not good enough but it seemed like Gulyakovas was just short of very little to a clean 3A. Sofias is more under but i believe she will be able to put it in program next season

 

[McBibus]

Really? Maybe my eyes are just not good enough but it seemed like Gulyakovas was just short of very little to a clean 3A. Sofias is more under but i believe she will be able to put it in program next season

Agree: I would not call under rotation to Gulyakova.

 

[McBibus]

That was smart planning from the coaches because if Kamila attempted her 2 quad toes with one fall (like in Chelyabinsk) i think judges would have given the title to Alysa.

The whole judging at the final was very old style, rewarding more the clean performances.

I kinda liked it, i think for the casual viewer was also easier to understand, judging for the components score also i thought it was more accurate than usual, and you know with this kind of judging you're less inclined to include elements that look more like planned falls.

Call me old style, but I higly appreciate a clean program where the flow is almost uninterrupted.
I would even add a bonus score for a clean program or, even better to avoid an all or nothing value, a bonus based on the number of consecutive +GOE elements.

I think that always annoys me is long uneventul preparation to jumps.
Maybe, like somone suggested already we should look more on what happens immediately before ad after the jump pass.
I personally adore jumps that surprise you for how weel they are into the choreography.

"STOP: i have to jump....... JUMP.... WOW did it.... Let's skate again" vs "step, figure, step, JUMP, figure"
For example, what Aliona does immediately after her trixel in the SP is amazing.
That 2A in the FS is so immersed into her movements you realize she's jumping only when she's taking off. Love it.

 

[macy]

Kostornaia won the GPF without a quad because she can do a higher point value triple axel to Anna's double axel - if each skater had been able to do their most difficult jump in the SP then its highly unlikely that Kostornaia won. *Though each of them knew the rules and Anna could have learned a triple axel sooner (she is learning it).

She almost won Russian Nationals without a quad and 2 shaky landings because of extremely favorable scoring for her. Kostornaia had 2 jumps with bad landings: her 3F+3T was given 1.29 points GOE and on her double axel and got .90 GOE, so positive GOE on both jumping passes. Anna had 1 flawed landing on a harder jump and got a negative GOE.

i do agree Kostornaia was given generous GOE on her 2 flawed landings, but they were much smaller, subtler and easier to disguise than Anna's step out, which is why she recieved negative GOE. but i agree Alena should not have recieved such high GOE for them. but alas, it is nationals.

 

[macy]

Agree: I would not call under rotation to Gulyakova.

there was visible rotation completed on the ice, to my trained eye it looked about 1/4 short of full rotation. Samodurova's was landed forward, so 1/2 rotation short.

 

[Orlov]

A teacher of choreography in Crystal-rink(Chrystalniy) Alexey Zheleznyakov gave a very interesting interview. It's really big, so I decided to translate certain points related to the nuances of working in Chrystalniy, about Eteri, Daniil and athletes (Moris, Valieva, TShK, Medvedeva), and some interesting for me parts. My translation is here

 

[Mawwerg]

A teacher of choreography in Crystal-rink(Chrystalniy) Alexey Zheleznyakov gave a very interesting interview. It's really big, so I decided to translate certain points related to the nuances of working in Chrystalniy, about Eteri, Daniil and athletes (Moris, Valieva, TShK, Medvedeva), and some interesting for me parts. My translation is here

It's a great one!:agree:

 

[Jontor]

i do agree Kostornaia was given generous GOE on her 2 flawed landings, but they were much smaller, subtler and easier to disguise than Anna's step out, which is why she recieved negative GOE. but i agree Alena should not have recieved such high GOE for them. but alas, it is nationals.

Yes, at GPF Kostornaia earned only a little over 1 point more in GOE for those two jumps. The GOE difference should have been bigger.

 

[McBibus]

there was visible rotation completed on the ice, to my trained eye it looked about 1/4 short of full rotation. Samodurova's was landed forward, so 1/2 rotation short.

Same impression.
You see Guliakova do that "Hook" movement with the blade but it's minimal, while is major in Sofia's.

 

[Vilord]

Good for Sofia and Guliakova for landing 3A. Sofias was clearly under and probably 3A<< since it looked like a foreward landing. The angle of guliakovas 3A isnt as good and it seems much closer but probably around the 1/4 so maybe still 3A<.

 

[starlight97]

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7IypB7JV2H/
And another one! Samodurova‘s 3A attempt!
Did not expect that Sofia would manage to get close to 3A, but here we are! Amazing!

Good for them!
But I must say looking at Sofia's and Gulyakova's attemps just really stresses the exceptional quality of Kostornaya's 3A for me.
It's bigger, further and higher than any of the current ladies' and I also much prefer it to Mao's, I think because it has a beautiful transition in and out (don't stone me). She really lifts off the ground with power and speed while many 3A seem muscled and the skater almost comes to a standstill before.
I can't understand why people complain that she gets +4 for it when landed perfectly, what kind of jump would merit that GOE then?

 

[SkateSkates]

Good for Sofia and Gulyakova for training the 3A! While they are still << and <, you have to start somewhere. Plus this might help them increase the height and rotation speed on their triples. (they both struggled with URs this season)

 

[McBibus]

Good for them!
But I must say looking at Sofia's and Gulyakova's attemps just really stresses the exceptional quality of Kostornaya's 3A for me.
It's bigger, further and higher than any of the current ladies' and I also much prefer it to Mao's, I think because it has a beautiful transition in and out (don't stone me). She really lifts off the ground with power and speed while many 3A seem muscled and the skater almost comes to a standstill before.
I can't understand why people complain that she gets +4 for it when landed perfectly, what kind of jump would merit that GOE then?

Aliona's Trixel is the golden standard.
The most impressive feature to me is the speed she maintains out of it.
I complain about +4 when she do it at her best because it's a clean +5

Gulyakova does not surprise me, but Sofia did. She seemed struggling in a dark place where even her better skating was lost.
She has a long way to go for a good 3A, but she's on the road. Hope this will help her regain confidence.