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A is most likely here to stay for a couple of years, so it's worth fixing any perceived or not defects.
Z isn't that important anymore and TCC hasn't been able to fix these defects.
2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
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A is most likely here to stay for a couple of years, so it's worth fixing any perceived or not defects.
Z isn't that important anymore and TCC hasn't been able to fix these defects.
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No because I do not even know how to make a gif
I saw her SP and I thought it was inside and quite a lot of people did. You will find their own comments around somewhere... I believe someone who was actually in the arena mentioned the inside edge in a thread
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Yes everyone knows that. What I meant is lately here the only skater who is deserving edge calls according to most of the posters is Evgenia. They turn a blind eye on Anna, Aliona, Alina etc. and remember the outrage when they were called during the GP. Double standards.
(anyway I should't have even mentioned Evgenia, sorry)
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Anna is mostly flat but sometimes I feel even that deteriorates.
I have seen her practice video doing a clear outside edge Lutz so I dont quite understand why she has issues with it at other times.
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I am always amused but such naive hopes of "would be" scenarios. No, she wouldn't win in any case. If she was more cleaner - they would invent more calls for her. The results were rigged from the start. Proof? Easy. Just look at Kostornaia's failed lutz (which was even repeated in slo-mo). It has as obvious UR (if not downgrade by Shin Amano's standarts) as it can get. They ALWAYS check such jumps for URs - ALWAYS. Tech caller just can't miss it - unless it was decided to ignore DELIBERATELY. And what we have? Clean protocol for her. Questions?
I have a feeling that ISU have some strong anti-ladies quads lobby among its officials - and until they invent something against them in congress (and believe me - they will) - they chose to fight them with other means. How Anna was judged througthout the whole season -tells the tale. Whether the lady skater is artistic or not - it doesn't matter for them. This old myth about quadsters always being jumping robots without ounce of artistry is rebutted by Anna's PCS scores by the judges themselves. No, they just realized that other countries except Russia is going to have huge troubles in learning quads in future as they just lack enough level of ice time, training schools, coaches on a system level - and most importantly - working system of kids athletes upbringing (and quads should be taught as early as can for ladies). Therefore, hiding behind concerns about artistry and health they will do anything to slow down or revert the progress as possible. You can ask why they don't treat the same way Sasha? Because she isn't a threat for their "artistry" idol - she can't prove a point that lady skater with quads can be artistic at the same time. Anna can.
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But so far, no one has provided a link. I'm just trying to see it, because the judges haven't. And yes judges can make mistakes too, which is why I'm taking for a visual,
About this Lutz edge discussion and Anna.
We all know that this Amano guy who was judging these championships are a strict guy and nit picking everything.
So if he is giving out URs that we think might be borderline or too strict - why would we at the same time think that he would ignore edge calls on Lutzes?
I suspect that people don't really know how to judge a Lutz edge at all.
We all know that this Amano guy who was judging these championships are a strict guy and nit picking everything.
So if he is giving out URs that we think might be borderline or too strict - why would we at the same time think that he would ignore edge calls on Lutzes?
I suspect that people don't really know how to judge a Lutz edge at all.
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No I understand what you mean.
I don't understand the outrage either or the point in ignoring the issues.
I love Anna but her edge is becoming an issue she needs to work on, ignoring it ot pretending it isn't there isn't helpful.
I think Alyona needs to work on her edges too because they're slipping a little too.
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Let's not pretend it isn't a thing to ignore edge issues for Russian ladies and then the outcry when they are not ignored doesn't help
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I dont think anything can convince you as you've already decided what you think.
You don't see it but others have...
So who is wrong and who is right?
The judges didn't "see" Zhenya's flutz either for quite a long time but suddenly did. I don't mean to keep bringing her up but it is a reasonable example.
Called or not called her edge issue was always there
I don't understand.
The reason that Medvedeva got away with her flutzes was that the judging wasn't that strict back then.
She gets the calls now because ISU has sharpened the rules.
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The outcry and outrage when Russians get called on things that was going on during the GPs?
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But some still get away with it or have so much outrage if they are called that the judges back off from doing so again
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I know this will be incredibly unpopular, but it must be said. It is sad to see the fall of the race of one of the best skaters that this sport has given, although it was only as a junior.
Trusova's from the Japan Open is only fall after fall; and from the GPF with incredibly insignificant scores. With this level until Medvedeva would take away the 3rd place in the World Cup if they faced each other in a qualifying tournament, which would be very pathetic.
And no, this is not a problem of growth, injury or fault of the ice misfortune that this level B tournament has; Here, the only responsible is Trusova's own mentality, because she demonstrated n times to be able to land her 5 quads in her program, but now she can't land 2, she can't really combine the 4T which is her best jump, so easy like 2A or any triple. Remember that today you simply tried 3 quads, the same 3 quads last year, that is, you returned to a junior skating, and with all that ease included you fell 2 times, which never happened as a junior. In short, his skating has receded, and it will be delayed even more when he leaves Eteri.
Apparently the wishes of all the Eteri hat...s will be fulfilled, Trusova will leave Tutberidze not having the mental capacity to train with the rest of the 3A and to feel the pressure of having to win everything, great disappointment that will occur when after leaving does not win anything again, because without Tutberidze he will lose all his quads and will be one more girl in the pile with a score below 220.
The only hope he has is to recover his old cold mentality, similar to Zagitova before the 2019 World Cup, and with that weapon go for his 5 quads and win. If you don't win it will be the confirmation of your change of coach.
I really want Sasha to recover, land her 5 quads and win with total authority the World Cup with more than 180 in the FS. And that this means her recovery to really deserve to be called the queen quad and the number 1 candidate to win the 2022 Olympiad.
Trusova's from the Japan Open is only fall after fall; and from the GPF with incredibly insignificant scores. With this level until Medvedeva would take away the 3rd place in the World Cup if they faced each other in a qualifying tournament, which would be very pathetic.
And no, this is not a problem of growth, injury or fault of the ice misfortune that this level B tournament has; Here, the only responsible is Trusova's own mentality, because she demonstrated n times to be able to land her 5 quads in her program, but now she can't land 2, she can't really combine the 4T which is her best jump, so easy like 2A or any triple. Remember that today you simply tried 3 quads, the same 3 quads last year, that is, you returned to a junior skating, and with all that ease included you fell 2 times, which never happened as a junior. In short, his skating has receded, and it will be delayed even more when he leaves Eteri.
Apparently the wishes of all the Eteri hat...s will be fulfilled, Trusova will leave Tutberidze not having the mental capacity to train with the rest of the 3A and to feel the pressure of having to win everything, great disappointment that will occur when after leaving does not win anything again, because without Tutberidze he will lose all his quads and will be one more girl in the pile with a score below 220.
The only hope he has is to recover his old cold mentality, similar to Zagitova before the 2019 World Cup, and with that weapon go for his 5 quads and win. If you don't win it will be the confirmation of your change of coach.
I really want Sasha to recover, land her 5 quads and win with total authority the World Cup with more than 180 in the FS. And that this means her recovery to really deserve to be called the queen quad and the number 1 candidate to win the 2022 Olympiad.
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Sigh...
I wish people could just accept results without starting conspiracy theories or "wuzrobbed" outcries.
None of our beloved 3A skated their best, all three had their issues.
Anna won the FS, and deserved to but Alyona's deserved SP advantage and skating well enough in the FS earned her the gold.
She and Anna are both astonishing, as is Sasha.
They'll be lots of closely fought contests between them and I feel lucky to have the privilege of watching these amazingly talented young ladies at all.
I wish people could just accept results without starting conspiracy theories or "wuzrobbed" outcries.
None of our beloved 3A skated their best, all three had their issues.
Anna won the FS, and deserved to but Alyona's deserved SP advantage and skating well enough in the FS earned her the gold.
She and Anna are both astonishing, as is Sasha.
They'll be lots of closely fought contests between them and I feel lucky to have the privilege of watching these amazingly talented young ladies at all.
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What is really sad is that so many people are already writing Sasha off and gloating over her "downfall"
The world is cruel.
Why did you feel the need to post this?
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Obviously, I acknowledged that judges miss mistakes. I'm asking for a visual because AFAIK Anna's edge has never been inside. It was different for Evgenia she has an inside edge lutz, and she was called for it in her junior days. With Anna, I don't think she's ever been given an e. And I'm open to seeing a visual where she is on the inside, but I guess you've already decided that I can't be convinced, even though I never gave any indication of that.
I mean you're all "this is my opinion you can have yours" but when someone disagrees with you and asks for an example (not saying you're incorrect), then you're all "well I can see it and you can't so clearly yo've already made up your mind". I think one has to be given all the information before they can make up their mind...
And then you're saying let's agree with the judges their calls were correct and the winner was correct, but then you come around and say Anna was lucky because the judges (incorrectly) didn't call her lutzes, so really, I'm confused.
