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2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

GoddessMinerva said:
I have to say though, I am very critical of sports culture where training and competing with too much injury is encouraged. A very promising Russian artistic gymnast, Ekaterina Sokova retired at 16 due to needing a hip replacement. She told her coaches she had pain but they belittled her, saying she was lazy, a troublemaker ect. Had she been taken seriously, perhaps she could have healed and returned to the sport. Russian AG has nothing resembling the depth FS has on the female side. So not only was this attitude toward a young athlete disgusting, it was just plain stupid to ruin their own athlete. Russian artistic is run by idiots though. Alena was worth sacrificing in women's singles because she is literally replaceable. She may have had injury before going to Eteri, but it can only have been exacerbated by training the 4T. Had she held off, she may still be doing ladies singles right now. There imo is a reason we are not seeing many other countries racing for quads yet, they simply cannot afford to lose the few women they have. Russian depth is great for Russia as a whole, but it clearly means some will be "sacrificed" for that strength. The amount of young age skaters is immense. I watch the competitions on youtube, the 10, 11 year olds. So many with so much potential but most will likely be out of the sport in a few years.
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I also had to think about Sokova when I heard aboit Kanysheva. It's such a pity for both of them
 
February 24-27 has the Moscow Championships in the Older Age.
KMS and MS rank I suppose, qualifier to Russian Cup in the seniors.

But no info or preliminary start lists yet?

Sinitsyna,
Vasil’yeva
Frolova
Shulskaya

Or different age and level requirements, since the above already competed in the National Championships?
 
nussnacker said:
Tarakanova and Vasilieva pulled out of Jr Nats.
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:( its a huge chance and probably their last chance to go to JW. Well i hope they both turn senior next season and get GP... so now JW team probably will be Valieva, Sinitsyna, Usacheva now, with little probability of Kromykh/Frolova
 
Edwin said:
February 24-27 has the Moscow Championships in the Older Age.
KMS and MS rank I suppose, qualifier to Russian Cup in the seniors.

But no info or preliminary start lists yet?

Sinitsyna,
Vasil’yeva
Frolova
Shulskaya

Or different age and level requirements, since the above already competed in the National Championships?
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No, Moscow Championships in the Older Age qualifies skaters to Russian Elder Age Championships. Something aka Youth Nationals. Upper age limit is the same that was used at recent Youth Olympic Games. Lower age limit is lower - starting from skaters born in 2007.
 
People tend to put their own ideas to such situations as this one with poor Aliona Kanysheva. I'm sad for her, it is truly unfortunate, but I don't think I'm smarter and more responsible than all the coaches, doctors and of course parents to judge their decisions based just on simple data we know (and we don't know much). After the battle everybody is a general. Figure skaters, just like another elite athletes, are injured pretty often, it is not uncommon. The question whether let the athlete to train has to be answered numerous times in numerous teams all over the world and in all sports (maybe except the chess, domino and the czech first football league). In the case of the injury the load during training is usually adapted to the optional amount accroding to what is known about the injury, how the progress goes and of course the pain is taken into account. I truly don't think that either Panova or Tutberidze forced Kanysheva into something over the pain or over their knowledge about the injury. We know from the past that if the injury was somehow significant or major, that the training was reduced or suspended competely, so I don't have any reason to think it was different with Kameshek. The fact she withdrew from several competitions before the proper diagnosis was made in fact says she wasn't forced into something, on the other hand it shows they were careful when they knew everything is obviously not right as it should be.

Just remember recent thing with Lilbet, who had to create a twitter account to answer the nonsense some "caring people" told about her injury publicly. The icing on the cake in this case is that those people who were nearly rising a revolt "in her name" didn't even bother to respond or to take her words into consideration. Because they in fact don't care about her at all and I'm not sure this case is different. Aliona herself didn't put any outcry into her insta post towards her former or current coaches, so unless she herself says different, I have no reason to do it instead.
 
Jontor said:
That's a pity. I was looking forward seeing them at JrNats! I guess they won't be at Russian Cup Final either.
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These girls, their parents, their trainers also don’t force them through any barriers, given what chances are at stake.

Even on this board, a few posters assume the worst with certain trainers based on their biased perception of how their personal favourite has apparently been handled by said trainers in the past.

Skaters are working capital into which thousands of hours has been invested over the years, often considerable money too, so they are treated with respect and handled with the necessary care.
 
flanker said:
People tend to put their own ideas to such situations as this one with poor Aliona Kanysheva. I'm sad for her, it is truly unfortunate, but I don't think I'm smarter and more responsible than all the coaches, doctors and of course parents to judge their decisions based just on simple data we know (and we don't know much). After the battle everybody is a general. Figure skaters, just like another elite athletes, are injured pretty often, it is not uncommon. The question whether let the athlete to train has to be answered numerous times in numerous teams all over the world and in all sports (maybe except the chess, domino and the czech first football league). In the case of the injury the load during training is usually adapted to the optional amount accroding to what is known about the injury, how the progress goes and of course the pain is taken into account. I truly don't think that either Panova or Tutberidze forced Kanysheva into something over the pain or over their knowledge about the injury. We know from the past that if the injury was somehow significant or major, that the training was reduced or suspended competely, so I don't have any reason to think it was different with Kameshek. The fact she withdrew from several competitions before the proper diagnosis was made in fact says she wasn't forced into something, on the other hand it shows they were careful when they knew everything is obviously not right as it should be.

Just remember recent thing with Lilbet, who had to create a twitter account to answer the nonsense some "caring people" told about her injury publicly. The icing on the cake in this case is that those people who were nearly rising a revolt "in her name" didn't even bother to respond or to take her words into consideration. Because they in fact don't care about her at all and I'm not sure this case is different. Aliona herself didn't put any outcry into her insta post towards her former or current coaches, so unless she herself says different, I have no reason to do it instead.
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Glad to hear your voice!
 
Training groups for the Russian Cup in the Juniors have been published:
Group 1 all CSKA: Frolova, Samodelkina, Berestovskaya, Ryabinina, Osokina, Zakharova
Group 2 all Khrustalniy: Usachyova , Valiyeva, Khromykh, Akat’yeva, Petrosyan, Muravyova
Group 3 the rest: Gorbachyova, Vaytkus, Sinitsyna, Moroz, Sultanmagomedova, Baranova

No Kisel? She posted an IG Stories with her jumping impressive combinations just yesterday?

This is going to be very interesting competition the best of the young Russians, with top contenders in all ages.

Seems like Sof'ya Muravyova is indeed accepted into the group of Tutberidze.
 
flanker said:
People tend to put their own ideas to such situations as this one with poor Aliona Kanysheva..
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We know these people ("I am a big fan of....but"). Thank god, they exist and they keep this thread running. The fact is that Eteri and her school are absolutely dominant now. Trusova scores 225 at the Europeans. WTT aside only 7 other skaters in figure skating history had higher scores than that. Yet, people consider it as a disaster: "poor Sasha" may skip the worlds. The risk is obvious - the thread could have turned into an ongoing fan fest. Boring. Once again, thank god, we could entertain ourselves with theories about "evil Eteri" and even argue with those.
 
flanker said:
Just remember recent thing with Lilbet, who had to create a twitter account to answer the nonsense some "caring people" told about her injury publicly. The icing on the cake in this case is that those people who were nearly rising a revolt "in her name" didn't even bother to respond or to take her words into consideration. Because they in fact don't care about her at all and I'm not sure this case is different. Aliona herself didn't put any outcry into her insta post towards her former or current coaches, so unless she herself says different, I have no reason to do it instead.
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Yeah, and that thing with Lilbet just makes me angry.
That none of the 'caring people' from Twitter even bothered to respond or apologize to Lilbet for spreading lies and false rumors on her behalf. Why? We absolutely know why, because they don't care about her even a tiny bit, at all.
All they wanted is push their toxic agenda, not an once of actual concern for athletes.
This witch-hunt has absolutely become crazy and mental, people are so driven to vilify someone, that they are making up things, lying and slandering, with so much confidence too! 'I definitely saw it somewhere, her mom definitely posted it'. :hpull:
 
Edwin said:
Skaters are working capital into which thousands of hours has been invested over the years, often considerable money too, so they are treated with respect and handled with the necessary care.
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That might be the most bizarre sentence I have heard in a while. But, yes, I‘m sure “working capital“ is an appropriate expression for these athletes according to some.

[email protected] said:
We know these people ("I am a big fan of....but"). Thank god, they exist and they keep this thread running. The fact is that Eteri and her school are absolutely dominant now. Trusova scores 225 at the Europeans. WTT aside only 7 other skaters in figure skating history had higher scores than that. Yet, people consider it as a disaster: "poor Sasha" may skip the worlds. The risk is obvious - the thread could have turned into an ongoing fan fest. Boring. Once again, thank god, we could entertain ourselves with theories about "evil Eteri" and even argue with those.
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I would like to finish that sentence for you: “I am a big fan of XY but am still allowed to have an independent opinion on their coach, as the two are not two interwoven identities.“ Being a fan of an athlete does NOT have to mean being a fan of the coach. I am a fan of the 3A, I went to the Europans and brought plushies for all of them and applauded so loudly that the Russian fans behind me smiled in amusement. At the same time, I am not a fan of their coach. This may be puzzling to you and others but it is not to me and I‘m sure, many others in this thread.

I‘ll also explain to you WHY I think people are worried about Sasha and it is not primarily because of her score. Her score is an effect but not the reason for concern. It is, however, the fact that she is a young child in the pressure cooker environment of elite sport and has failed to rise to the occasions twice in a row now. This in itself is not a disaster but given the competition in her own training group as well as the competitive drive of athletes themselves, this will and already has (at RusNats for example) made her unhappy. She is a kid. People worry about kids. And it may surprise you but it‘s not just because they secretly hate their coach.

Is Sasha still one of the most competitive skaters in the world right now? Obviously. Especially considering that besides Anna and Aliona only Rika Kihira and Evgenia Medvedeva have scored over 225 this season and the latter will not even be at Worlds.

The “evil Eteri theories“ accusations always amuse me, especially since in this case it was literally a criticism of not only her but Panova as well. But sure, people aren’t legitimately concerned, they hate Eteri and Eteri only because they have nothing better to do and are jealous of her students winning. (and yes, I am certain that there are people like that out there but I dare say only the minority of users on this thread truly is like that)

But you are right, of course, that this is not a fanfest, so people are not obligated to love Eteri. They are, however, obliged to not make up conspiracy theories about her. I don‘t think those who discussed Kanysheva‘s injury are guilty of that, however, considering that saying that the coaches were totally unaware about the extent of her injury and thus started to train quads is just as much a theory as saying they knew she‘d felt pain for months and kept pushing through it.

Last but not least, Eteri‘s school is totally dominant and nobody who can check the Wikipedia pages and see that her athletes literally swept the international podiums twice in a row (GPF and Euros) would be stupid enough to deny that. For me these medals are still not a good enough reason to stop worrying about the athletes yet, and they also do not mean that I have to endorse everything I hear in interviews from Eteri herself, her team, or her athletes. We may have different opinions on what constitutes as okay for a coach. This does not mean that we love, support and appreciate the athletes in question any differently.

That‘s all.

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klena said:
Alyona Kanysheva is already training in Avangard (together with Liza Khudaiberdyeva)
https://mobile.twitter.com/i/status/1223212727050686466

Good luck to her in ice dancing!
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I saw that!! Good luck, Alena! You go girl! :cheer:
 
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