3A was fine. She received +2.29 for that combo. The problems were FSSp2, StSq2 and 3Lo with -0.07.
2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
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3A was fine. She received +2.29 for that combo. The problems were FSSp2, StSq2 and 3Lo with -0.07.
Kids in the USA drop out of school to skate all day, ("online school") in fact they have more time on the ice than their Russian counterparts. Someone did an interview with 3A a year or so ago where they detailed their schedule, and I was surprised by their actual ice time, which is less than elite skaters in the USA.
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You know, there is such a wonderful thing as "blind tasting." As a rule, "wine connoisseurs" look very funny in it
(This is not surprising because most people consume not wine, but a sense of belonging, a sense of elitism)It would be very interesting to check if you could tell blindly the difference in your example, just by listening with headphones (with perfect recording and acoustics)
It is quite possible (I'm not saying, just a fun hypothesis) that you are entering the "restaurant wine connoisseur"-mode regime when you see an "adult" skater. And you know that it is an exquisite wine because "everybody says so". (because she is so experienced and wise in life, and has seen so much in her 18 years, yeaa)
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I think that's case by case in the US, and online school is not dropping out of school it just allows for scheduling around coaches offered ice time. Not every US skater can afford large amounts of ice time. Our elites might be doing more ice time but most of them are also much older than 3A.
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You forget that this is a Junior competition. Here, 3A does not replace the 2A (8 - 3.3 = 4.7), but 3Lz (8 - 5.9 = 2.1). Then don't forget that you lose the bonus for a combination in the second half (in the end it's minus ~0.5).
But on such a powerful splash of force energy is spent and voila - the first spinning is spoiled, then StSq2. And suddenly the Samodelkina's BV is 31.99 and Valieva's BV is 32.41. And 3Lo with -0.07 GOE. Tbh I don't really understand this 3A+3T thing in junior SP - as a rule this is not rational.
Sorry, but this is the thinking of the 6.0 system
"There was a triple axel, it's cool, so come on judges!"
Math on a table, as for me, everything is fair.
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You forget that this is a Junior competition. Here, 3A does not replace the 2A (8 - 3.3 = 4.7), but 3Lz (8 - 5.9 = 2.1). Then don't forget that you lose the bonus for a combination in the second half (in the end it's minus ~0.5).
But on such a powerful splash of force energy is spent and voila - the first spinning is spoiled, then StSq2. And suddenly the Samodelkina's BV is 31.99 and Valieva's BV is 32.41. And 3Lo with -0.07 GOE. Tbh I don't really understand this 3A+3T thing in junior SP - as a rule this is not rational.
Sorry, but this is the thinking of the 6.0 system
I mean 3A-3T in the SP for juniors is like 3Lz-3Lo, or anything -3Lo really, in the SP for juniors and seniors. Overall the BV and scoring advantage are negligible, and may be even detrimental because they are much riskier, especially compared to doing a -3T combo in the second half. But, the excitement gain and "wow factor" is huge as they're much more uncommon and perceived to have great difficulty. So it may not help in terms fo scores and placement but it does make a skater a bit more special technically. And when you're 1 good skater in Russia where everyone can do 3Lz-3T, being a bit more special may help in the long run (though not if you miss the jump and it costs you the podium...)
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She is only three points away from the third highest JWC eligible competitor (3-4-5 are novices, crazy right?), its completely within reach. She just has to skate a good free like she's done before, and hope for Kromykh not to land a quad or something (which is something I've been wondering about... will she do her quad? Will Valieva do hers again?). I'd love for Kromykh to do a quad, but I also need Ksenia to get to JWorlds.
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After watching the juniors' SP today, I can't help but notice how Kamila seems to have struck the figure skating genetic lottery. She has extremely strong legs with lean muscles that give her power like Sasha. But unlike Sasha, she is also naturally extremely flexible. Not something we see very often; generally very powerful skaters are less flexible (Sasha, Liza) and super flexible skaters don't have the ability to build lean bulky muscles (Yulia, Anna). Most skaters seems to be somewhere in between; Alina was someone who had a good combination of powerful legs and flexibility, but she wasn't as muscular or as flexible. Same with Alena. As far power and flexibility are concerned, I think Kamila really hit the jackpot. Of course she is still growing so who knows, but if puberty is kind to her and she doesn't grow like Radionova did, she can really use her natural ability to their full potential.
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Kamila is so fast she always looks like she's on fast forward. It took me a while to get used to how fast she is and be reassured that her skating wasn't being broadcast on fast forward.
Valieva, Khromykh, Akatyeva and Berestovskaia will do quads, Samodelkina will do triple axels. This is the first ladies competition with such content.
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Exciting! I'm very interested to see Kamila's quads back, and if Kromykh can land her 4S for the first time. I hope Akatieva can also do her quads cleanly, although I miss her triple axel, it was my favorite jump of hers. I wonder what happened. Maybe she'll get it back before Younger/Elder age nationals? Its so nice and consistent too. I also wonder if Samodelkina is working on quads, her 3A is so tidy and consistent. And then there's Sinitsyna and the always rumored 3A, I wonder if it will ever happen.
Speaking of Akatieva and her fellow novice/junior eligible girls, their schedule is so crazy. They had a competition a couple weeks ago, then the Moscow younger age qualifier last week, now junior nationals less than a week later, they'll probably have the Moscow elder age qualifier soon (anyone know when that is?) , and then will have the RCF not two weeks after Russian Juniors Nationals. Then the Youth championships (elder and younger age) will be a bit more spread out. Not to mention all the competitions they had in the first half of the season. No wonder these girls get so consistent.
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I can understand if Figure Skating fan likes other elements more and thinks that it shouldn't be only jumps that decide winner but... frankly, if you enjoy Nicole Schott more than say, Kostarnaya, just because the former is 'more mature and artistic', you are watching wrong event.
Figure Skating is an olympic sport,not a ballet, not 'dancing with the stars' or an ice show. There are many shows and events there you can witness mature artists giving artistically charged, emotional performances and it's extremely weird that so many people seem to demand it from professional athletes.
Figure Skating is an olympic sport,not a ballet, not 'dancing with the stars' or an ice show. There are many shows and events there you can witness mature artists giving artistically charged, emotional performances and it's extremely weird that so many people seem to demand it from professional athletes.
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Speaking about speed, I was amazed by Adelia Petrosyan, she was like everywhere on the ice in the same time.
I adore Akatieva and Petrosyan, but you can't seriously claim they've better presentation than skaters like Eunsoo Lim and Rika Kihira.Having watched 4CC ladies SP and RusJrNat ladies SP in a row just one after another I can't help but notice - how much the latter competition was better! It was so much better that it's not even funnyEven jaded Ted Barton was in some state of a shock in the end of the event watching so much quality there
And here I am not even talking about jumps (though it's worthy to mention that all 18 junior and novice girls there did 3-3 combos which weren't mere 3T-3T too) or cleanness (there was only one skater with falls). I mean PCS side of the skates. Maybe what I am going to say will sound too presumptuous for someone now - sorry for that
Very few of the Russian juniors can match Bradie Tennell's ultra fast, well-centered and flexible spins or Kaori Sakamoto/Wakaba Higuchi natural speed and power.
I don't think any of them is capable to do a spiral on artistic level of Karen Chen, etc..
We're witnessing breathtaking junior tournament, but let's not get carried away... :agree:
She's special, besides obvious skills, I sense great competitive spirit and joy of skating in this girl.
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I'm seriously claim that presentation of Valieva, Usacheva, Khromyh was better.
btw, not everyone understands and shares the strange obsession of americans with spirals
I'm seriously claim that presentation of Valieva, Usacheva, Khromyh was better.
btw, not everyone understands and shares the strange obsession of americans with spirals
Yes, the American spiral obsession also seem to think that spirals is a sign of mature and artistic skating. All I can say is that the taste level is very different in America vs Europe/Asia.
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Don’t you understand that it’s not the spiral itself, it’s the beauty of holding movements and not rushing?
