2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Elucidus]

It's brought up way too many times these days, and yes they all prerotate to some degree when it's that much at some point it makes the jump less impressive.

I look at Akatieva's quad and the first reaction (especially if you compare it with Valieva's quad, or even Khromykh's quad sal attempt was huge) is that it doesn't look like a quad, the height and distance make so much difference and that should be reflected in the protocols.

I've always said the same for Shoma's 4F: when compared to Boyang's 4lutz, it's like we're watching a triple vs a quad.

What do you think about Zhilina's 4T then, I wonder?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1lt66wP3Jg

And about Samarin's 4Lz?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aB2qV0d5ek

I mean - in relation to your theory that prerotation makes the jump less impressive and absence of it - more?

 

[Artemisa]

To me it's okay if Khromykh goes to JW cause at her best she is on par or even better than Usacheva, but Sinitsyna would have made more sense:

1) Ksenia will likely transition to seniors next season, she should have her last chance of medalling at JW. Maiia still has another year in Juniors.

2) Khromykh didn't have a great season, and some could argue her result at Nationals was influenced by the huge help she got in the SP scoring almost the same as her JGP SP performances but without the 3-3. As already discussed, most skaters there didn't get the same treatment.

3) There's now a lot of pressure on Khromykh because if she fails at medalling at JW (which in my mind is possible considering Usacheva and Valieva will likely take 2 of the 3 spots, and Liu could get the other one), people will say RusFed made a mistake not sending Kseniia considering Maiia's relatively low SB.

I didn't think that ksenia was wrongly judge in the nationals or that Maiia was overscore ... I like that this year was the score in nationals even if some of my favourites are out like in dance or pairs ... and if Maiia land a 4 she will be fighting for the podium ..

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

Kostornaya didn’t get sick, she fractured her tibia after enduring inflammation and pain for almost 3 months since right after the JGPF. I wouldn’t wish this on anyone, even though I feel for Ksenia. She had a strong start to the season, but something happened and she’s been struggling since JGP Egna. On the one hand, I think an argument could’ve been made to arrange a skate off between Maiia and Ksenia given their inconsistencies, but on the other hand, Maiia beat her in the main selection competition.

Oh, no I am not wishing anyone to get sick. It is actually a conspiracy theory - each year only 2 Eteri girls go to JW, never 3!

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

What do you think about Zhilina's 4T then, I wonder?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1lt66wP3Jg

And about Samarin's 4Lz?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aB2qV0d5ek

I mean - in relation to your theory that prerotation makes the jump less impressive and absence of it - more?

They look very small for quads. :/

 

[Edwin]

Sof'ya Muravyova's situation still puzzles me.

Last week, she was listed as belonging to CSKA, in Davydov's group. She was seen in a photo from ice training with Gleikhengauz in Khrustalniy a few months ago.

In Saransk, she was alone, save for her mom (and possibly dad). According to the training reports, Sof'ya trained by herself, nobody seemed to guide her, neither Davydov nor any of Khrustalniy's. Apparently Buyanova spared her a few words.

Nobody set her off on the ice, nobody collected her from the K&C. Sof'ya seems to have a very strong and sunny character, smiling, patting her bear when the score came in, and walked off all alone. She held herself up with full dignity, carriage, pride and command. If she was scared, lonely or unhappy, it didn't show at all. https://media.tenor.co/videos/bc093d9ce199b75d133fb09d03b17c98/mp4
She and Samodelkina are bosom buddies according to their IG's, but I gather CSKA travelled by train and the Muravyov's took a plane.

I don't know wether FFKKR imposes any chaperoning rules on its underage charges, but these were met. Some trainer however, should be responsible for her, in the sporting sense. Trainers have an interest in their charges too, good results get added to their tallies, and they share in any rewards/promotions Sof'ya's efforts might bring.

A strange and uncomfortable situation.

 

[Elucidus]

Well, with that team selection it’s confirmed that at most Russia will have 2 ladies on the podium at JWC. But I’d bet it will only be one.

Will Young You be participating in JWC? Maybe you hinted at that, I wonder? Because in any other case I don't see how both Usacheva and Khromykh can be out of podium. Maia is a quadster girl already and I won't be surprised if she will jump two 4S at the time of competition. It's usual thing for Eteri camp, you know ) Usacheva also hinted that her 3A is very close to competitive form - in other words I won't be surprised to see her jumping 3A in JWC too. Not to mention she is just PCS monster and Liu will look plain near her in judges eyes. Of course there is always possibility for biased judges or, even worse, biased tech panel - who will be willing to apply different standarts of strictness in assessing elements of Russians and Liu/Haein. In that case, of course, your prediction can become true. But only in that case.

 

[Elucidus]

They look very small for quads. :/

Samarin quads
very small

I am concerned about your eyesight.
Zhilina's quads with Boyang level of 4T prerotation being visually small is exactly my point, though.

 

[Ziotic]

Will Young You be participating in JWC? Maybe you hinted at that, I wonder? Because in any other case I don't see how both Usacheva and Khromykh can be out of podium. Maia is a quadster girl already and I won't be surprised if she will jump two 4S at the time of competition. It's usual thing for Eteri camp, you know ) Usacheva also hinted that her 3A is very close to competitive form - in other words I won't be surprised to see her jumping 3A in JWC too. Not to mention she is just PCS monster and Liu will look plain near her in judges eyes. Of course there is always possibility for biased judges or, even worse, biased tech panel - who will be willing to apply different standarts of strictness in assessing elements of Russians and Liu/Haein. In that case, of course, your prediction can become true. But only in that case.

Maiia is 7th in the SB list of girls attending JWC. She has never landed a quad in competition not has Darya landed a 3A. Darya is 2-1 in head to heads with Haein.

So yea, there is the possibility of bias judging but let’s not pretend it’s not in favour of Russians...

 

[flanker]

Maiia is 7th in the SB list of girls attending JWC. She has never landed a quad in competition not has Darya landed a 3A. Darya is 2-1 in head to heads with Haein.

So yea, there is the possibility of bias judging but let’s not pretend it’s not in favour of Russians...

Just deal with it, Maiia has beaten Ksenia in the most important and most difficult/competitive event of their season till now, which decided who is going to junior worlds. You disagree with it. Everybody got it. And that's all, there's nothing more you can do about it.

 

[Jontor]

Maiia is 7th in the SB list of girls attending JWC. She has never landed a quad in competition not has Darya landed a 3A. Darya is 2-1 in head to heads with Haein.

So yea, there is the possibility of bias judging but let’s not pretend it’s not in favour of Russians...

Maiia is 6th in the SB list of girls attending JWC.

 

[lpt]

Maiia is 6th in the SB list of girls attending JWC.

True.

1. 221,95 Kamila VALIEVA
2. 208,10 Alysa LIU
3. 203,40 Haein LEE
4. 200,37 Daria USACHEVA
5. 191,07 Seoyeong WI
6. 190,73 Maiia KHROMYKH

 

[lpt]

I'm worried now for Tarakanova and Vasilieva.

Sotskova, Sakhanovich and most probably Konstantinova are out of the GP circuit now, and who do you think will be in? Sinitsyna fills in only two spots.

 

[Jontor]

Sotskova, Sakhanovich and most probably Konstantinova are out of the GP circuit now, and who do you think will be in? Sinitsyna fills in only two spots.

Konstantinova will surely be in the top 24 World Standings List. So she will probably get at least one spot. If Vasilieva and Tarakanova drops out of SB top 24, Konstantinova will probably get two.
Then it will be 3A, Alina, Zhenya, Liza, Ksenia, Sofia and Stasya who gets all the spots.

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

Sotskova, Sakhanovich and most probably Konstantinova are out of the GP circuit now, and who do you think will be in? Sinitsyna fills in only two spots.

Probably Kostornaya, Shcherbakova, Trusova, Zagitova, Tutktamysheva, Medvedeva, Sinitsyna, Tarakanova and Vasilieva can each have 2 spots.
What about Samodurova? Is she out of SB?
Also Alina may not compete next season.
And Konstantinova? She has always been a RF favourite. Hmmm...

 

[Ziotic]

Just deal with it, Maiia has beaten Ksenia in the most important and most difficult/competitive event of their season till now, which decided who is going to junior worlds. You disagree with it. Everybody got it. And that's all, there's nothing more you can do about it.

I was responding to someone who asked who could possibly bump Maiia off the podium.

As for the 7th, I was incorrect as I thought Rino was going but she was not selected for Japan.

 

[lpt]

Konstantinova will surely be in the top 24 World Standings List.

No she won't. She is already at 22nd place of the projected rating list, and the season is far from finished.

 

[Pantsu]

3A, Medo, Tuktik, Sinitsyna should get 2 spots
I doubt Zagi will comeback. Others might get one spot or none at all. The field is not that deep actually

On the other hand, junior team will be reinforced with Samodelkina and Petrosyan

 

[lpt]

3A, Medo, Tuktik, Sinitsyna should get 2 spots
I doubt Zagi will comeback. Others might get one spot or none at all. The field is not that deep actually

Russia has 18 spots. All spots will be filled in.

 

[Mathman]

OT, but just wanting to know ... What does "ultra-c" mean?

I looked in up on Wikipedia and they said it was the slogan of the 1968 Japanese gymnastics team. "A" was the easiest program layout, then "B," and "C" was the hardest. So ultra-C was even harder than that.

is that what people are referring to here?

 

[lpt]

OT, but just wanting to know ... What does "ultra-c" mean?
I looked in up on Wikipedia and they said it was the slogan of the 1968 Japanese gymnastics team. "A" was the easiest program layout, then "B," and "C" was the hardest. So ultra-C was even harder than that.
is that what people are referring to here?

Probably yes.
https://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/dic_fwords/37085/УЛЬТРА