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2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

How it is a personal attack though? Just do not get it?!? I criticize Shcherbi's bad technique and the fact that she has not fixed it for a second year in a row and not her personally!!! I do not criticize her as a human being - bad or good, spoiled or well-behaved, ugly or pretty, whatever...

You realise that technique changes don't happen overnight, right? Anna improves constantly and just because she hasn't magically changed the techniques taught to her since she was a child doing doubles doesn't mean she isn't working hard every day.

Her toeloop, for example, has changed since she was a junior. She uses less of the arms now (she used to bend over and wind up hard very significantly before the -3T, which is still visible but has clearly lessened), has a purer toepick and prerotates less. She used to be in the air after 1/2 prerotation, and now she is in the air before the 1/2 mark, which is permissible for a toeloop and is certainly improvement.

Honestly, she has also lessened prerotation on her quad lutz since she started learning it. Her 4Lz at Russian Nationals last year was 3/4 prerotated. Her 4Lz at this year's Russian Nationals was about 1/2 prerotated, which is not ideal but is a significant improvement.

Aside from jumps, other aspects of skating exist as well and Anna has improved significantly across all of them - her technique in spinning and SS has quite visibly improved.

Seriously, do you think she goes home after competitions, throws her protocols in the trash, kicks back and relaxes and does nothing? No. She is constantly working on her technique and the fact that she doesn't suddenly have an outside edge deeper than the Mariana Trench within 2 days of working does not mean that she is lazy, uncaring, complacent, or whatever you were trying to imply with "I criticize Shcherbi's bad technique and the fact that she has not fixed it for a second year in a row".
 
2020 Moscow Championships in the Older Age

Registration closes February 14, along with Russian Cup Final registration, and the preliminary entries are impressive:

Akat'yeva, Berestovskaya, Vazhnova, Zhilina, Zakharova, Zinina, Kulikova, Muravyova, Paramonova, Petrosyan, Ryabinina, Samodelkina, Sultanmagomedova, Tsibinova (b. 2004?), and those are only the names I remember, there are at least 7 Sof'ya's on the list.

We'll have to wait and see who actually competes after the Russian Cup finals have concluded.

Moscow Championships is held from February 24-27.
 
It's not new. Lakernik mentioned this proposal last year. We had a whole thread during the last summer where this proposal was already discussed :D

Something is moving within ISU, that's for sure. Where it will end, depends on the voting at the next congress right?

Hopefully the temptations of Phuket on the old men that are ISU doesn't distract from the potency of their decision making capabilities ;-)
 
You realise that technique changes don't happen overnight, right? Anna improves constantly and just because she hasn't magically changed the techniques taught to her since she was a child doing doubles doesn't mean she isn't working hard every day.

Her toeloop, for example, has changed since she was a junior. She uses less of the arms now (she used to bend over and wind up hard very significantly before the -3T, which is still visible but has clearly lessened), has a purer toepick and prerotates less. She used to be in the air after 1/2 prerotation, and now she is in the air before the 1/2 mark, which is permissible for a toeloop and is certainly improvement.

Honestly, she has also lessened prerotation on her quad lutz since she started learning it. Her 4Lz at Russian Nationals last year was 3/4 prerotated. Her 4Lz at this year's Russian Nationals was about 1/2 prerotated, which is not ideal but is a significant improvement.

Aside from jumps, other aspects of skating exist as well and Anna has improved significantly across all of them - her technique in spinning and SS has quite visibly improved.

Seriously, do you think she goes home after competitions, throws her protocols in the trash, kicks back and relaxes and does nothing? No. She is constantly working on her technique and the fact that she doesn't suddenly have an outside edge deeper than the Mariana Trench within 2 days of working does not mean that she is lazy, uncaring, complacent, or whatever you were trying to imply with "I criticize Shcherbi's bad technique and the fact that she has not fixed it for a second year in a row".
I am outraged because very very often skaters with perfect jumps (both triples and quadruples) get less GOE than skaters with bad jumps (like lutzes with unclear edge, excessive prerotation). For example: Mikhail Kolyada's perfect quad lutz - probably the best lutz in figure skating history - got 2 0 3 2 1 0 1 2 3 GOE at 2017 Cup of China, while Anna's quad lutz got 2 2 3 2 4 4 2 4 3 GOE at 2019 Skate America. I mean - how is that fair? You can't compare Mikhail's lutz to Anna's:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGPhymzFSfo
And people here tell me not to criticize... I will!
 
I am outraged because very very often skaters with perfect jumps (both triples and quadruples) get less GOE than skaters with bad jumps (like lutzes with unclear edge, excessive prerotation). For example: Mikhail Kolyada's perfect quad lutz - probably the best lutz in figure skating history - got 2 0 3 2 1 0 1 2 3 GOE at 2017 Cup of China, while Anna's quad lutz got 2 2 3 2 4 4 2 4 3 GOE at 2019 Skate America. I mean - how is that fair? You can't compare Mikhail's lutz to Anna's:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGPhymzFSfo
And people here tell me not to criticize... I will!
There is "2019 Judging and Tech calls discussion" for this stuff.
 
I am outraged because very very often skaters with perfect jumps (both triples and quadruples) get less GOE than skaters with bad jumps (like lutzes with unclear edge, excessive prerotation). For example: Mikhail Kolyada's perfect quad lutz - probably the best lutz in figure skating history - got 2 0 3 2 1 0 1 2 3 GOE at 2017 Cup of China, while Anna's quad lutz got 2 2 3 2 4 4 2 4 3 GOE at 2019 Skate America. I mean - how is that fair? You can't compare Mikhail's lutz to Anna's:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGPhymzFSfo
And people here tell me not to criticize... I will!

You can't compare that. Different event, different judges, different BV's, different GOE system. You know they have changed the rules right?
And like someone said. There are threads where you can discuss judging if you want to rant about it.
 
I am outraged because very very often skaters with perfect jumps (both triples and quadruples) get less GOE than skaters with bad jumps (like lutzes with unclear edge, excessive prerotation). For example: Mikhail Kolyada's perfect quad lutz - probably the best lutz in figure skating history - got 2 0 3 2 1 0 1 2 3 GOE at 2017 Cup of China, while Anna's quad lutz got 2 2 3 2 4 4 2 4 3 GOE at 2019 Skate America. I mean - how is that fair? You can't compare Mikhail's lutz to Anna's:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGPhymzFSfo
And people here tell me not to criticize... I will!
Mikhal's 4Lutz got low GOE, because back then the rules said that the solo jump in the short program had to have connecting steps into it to get good GOE. As Mikhail had no transitions into and out of the jump,judges had to give him low GOE despite the jump being beautiful, as you can see the judges were conflicted and therefore gave a range of 0 to 3. The rule was removed in the seasons afterwards. Also comparing the -3/+3 with the -5/+5 sytem makes no sense. A 1 in the old system is not the same as a 1 in the new system. A +1 was worth more back then.
 
I am outraged because very very often skaters with perfect jumps (both triples and quadruples) get less GOE than skaters with bad jumps (like lutzes with unclear edge, excessive prerotation). For example: Mikhail Kolyada's perfect quad lutz - probably the best lutz in figure skating history - got 2 0 3 2 1 0 1 2 3 GOE at 2017 Cup of China, while Anna's quad lutz got 2 2 3 2 4 4 2 4 3 GOE at 2019 Skate America. I mean - how is that fair? You can't compare Mikhail's lutz to Anna's:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGPhymzFSfo
And people here tell me not to criticize... I will!

You're "outraged" about Mikhael Kolyada's GOE from a competition 2 1/2 years ago????
A competition he won by the way.

Anna didn't get those scores skating against him. Plus she skates in another discipline altogether.
And it was a totally different competition 2 years later (in which GOE goes to +5 instead of +3)

And why this obsession with only the lutz?

By the way, one of your skaters with "acceptable lutz technique" examples from yesterday used to flutz.

I guess your "outrage" is selective at best.
 
You're "outraged" about Mikhael Kolyada's GOE from a competition 2 1/2 years ago????
A competition he won by the way.

Anna didn't get those scores skating against him. Plus she skates in another discipline altogether.
And it was a totally different competition 2 years later (in which GOE goes to +5 instead of +3)

And why this obsession with only the lutz?

By the way, one of your skaters with "acceptable lutz technique" examples from yesterday used to flutz.

I guess your "outrage" is selective at best.
Who? I doubt it. And for sure whoever the skater might be, he/she has minimal prerotation.

Yes, I know that the system changed from max 3 to max 5. Yet it is still outrageous.
I did not know about the steps before the jump for high GOE and the other things.
 
Who? I doubt it. And for sure whoever the skater might be, he/she has minimal prerotation.

Yes, I know that the system changed from max 3 to max 5. Yet it is still outrageous.
I did not know about the steps before the jump for high GOE and the other things.

So apparently flutzing is acceptable technique if you have minimal prerotation? Got it.

You need to go back and look at prior programs for the skaters you listed.
I don't want to name the skater because my intention is not to drag her into this discussion.
Only to point out that your outrage at "poor technique" is indeed very selective.
 
So apparently flutzing is acceptable technique if you have minimal prerotation? Got it.

You need to go back and look at prior programs for the skaters you listed.
I don't want to name the skater because my intention is not to drag her into this discussion.
Only to point out that your outrage at "poor technique" is indeed very selective.
Hahaha? Who had flutz? Yuna Kim? Carolina? Liza? Alexia? Tomoe?
Hahaha. :D
 
Is there any sort of forum that deals with rhythmic gymnastics? With the 2020 Olympics coming soon I’d like to know more about Dina and Arina Averina (I did see an interview where they said “If we weren’t doing gymnastics we’d be doing figure skating!”) and if they’re definitely 2 of the 3 Russians at the Games.
 
Mikhal's 4Lutz got low GOE, because back then the rules said that the solo jump in the short program had to have connecting steps into it to get good GOE. As Mikhail had no transitions into and out of the jump,judges had to give him low GOE despite the jump being beautiful, as you can see the judges were conflicted and therefore gave a range of 0 to 3. The rule was removed in the seasons afterwards. Also comparing the -3/+3 with the -5/+5 sytem makes no sense. A 1 in the old system is not the same as a 1 in the new system. A +1 was worth more back then.

Omg, thank you for this.
I thought no one would answer about the steps...
If I were a judge, I would’ve been that conflicted judge as well, and gave him +3 nevertheless though.
Also, because I think Misha is super awesome.
 
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