2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[flanker]

It took only one infected person (Patient 1) attending an event with hundreds of people in West Germany to spread it over to 500 people in that area in a span of a week, the whole town had to be put into quarantine and still it spread everywhere over the state because the people visiting the event came from all over the country. In the US over 30 healthy people got infected all at once because they visited the same convention and were in close proximity. Elderly and sick people are most vulnerable to the virus and have life threatening symptoms, however, even young people have died and have shown severe symptoms and hospitals do not have the capacity to treat thousands of people with life threatening symptoms all at once as Coronavirus spreads extremly fast. Health care systems are on the brink of collapse because they cannot treat so many people at once and in Italy they already have to make the decision whose life to save whose life they do not safe, because they do not have enough ventilators and other machines to treat every person that needs intensive care.
Holding an event with thousands of people at close proximity is careless and puts many people's life at risk. It is easy to be so ignorant and dismissive if you do not live in an area that has been extremly affected by the virus.

I bet you didn't read. I meet thousands of people every day anyway without attending any sporting event and whether there will be an event like figure skating championships or not won't put any more or less risk on me or on anyone of those thousands of people, because they still meet each other on everyday basis and anyone of them can be infected and not just by COVID-19. Either you will separate all mankind into their small private cells or you have just to put some risk to live.

 

[Fluture]

I bet you didn't read. I meet thousands of people every day anyway without attending any sporting event and whether there will be an event like figure skating championships or not won't put any more or less risk on me or on anyone of those thousands of people, because they still meet each other on everyday basis and anyone of them can be infected and not just by COVID-19. Either you will separate all mankind into their small private cells or you have just to put some risk to live.

Luna did read and she explained it very, very thoroughly to you. There is a reason why, in Austria for example, any indoor activities above 100 people are canceled. There‘s a reason why universities are already closed and the closing of schools is already under debate, to be decided soon. There is a reason why people are literally advised not to have too much social contact if they can avoid it.

A sporting event of the caliber of Worlds, with thousands of spectators from all over the world is a (unnecessary) risk, given the way the virus spreads and how people are affected. You can choose to not take it seriously but Luna literally gave you an example of the kind of dangerous effects an event with many people in a closed space can have at the moment. If Worlds will happen, there will need to be very, very thorough measures to guarantee safety. This is not normal every day life at the moment, this virus should not be underestimated.

Have you read what the situation in Italy is like? Because this is exactly why there‘s need for carefulness at the moment. To prevent something like this happening all over the World.

And yes, if there‘s risk of an exponential spreading, maybe it is better to minimize social activities for a while, to get it under control.

There‘s no reason for panic because that only makes it worse. But so does ignorance.

 

[Arbitrary]

Unfortunately having WC-2020 cancelled or denied for Russian ladies specifically means some of them may safety end their career as a competitive skater.
Next year - next stars.

 

[flanker]

Luna did read and she explained it very, very thoroughly to you. There is a reason why, in Austria for example, any indoor activities above 100 people are canceled. There‘s a reason why universities are already closed and the closing of schools is already under debate, to be decided soon. There is a reason why people are literally advised not to have too much social contact if they can avoid it.

A sporting event of the caliber of Worlds, with thousands of spectators from all over the world is a (unnecessary) risk, given the way the virus spreads and how people are affected. You can choose to not take it seriously but Luna literally gave you an example of the kind of dangerous effects an event with many people in a closed space can have at the moment. Maybe you should read. This is not normal every day life, this virus should not be underestimated.

Have you read what the situation in Italy is like? Maybe you should. Because this is exactly why there‘s need for carefulness at the moment. To prevent something like this happening all over the World.

And yes, if there‘s risk of an exponential spreading, maybe it is better to minimize social activities for a while, to get it under control.

There‘s no reason for panic because that only makes it worse. But so does ignorance.

Luna (and you) somehow presume that this measure would minimize the "social contact" to the level where people stop interact. I say it's not true. In Prague itself hundreds of thousands of people still use public transport every day. I myself am present in the standard Prague tram model 15T with the capacity of 180 passengers (and they are full at traffic peak all the time) twice a day five days a week. Above all, shops, work etc. I'll repeat this to you: I meet thousands of people every day anyway without attending any sporting event.

While you can ban every activity above 100 people, which my government did as well, you still don't minimize the contact ordinary people face every day unless you take the measures where you separatate them to the level where it will be ppunished to even show yourself on the street.

You two also presume that COVID-19 is probably the first and only disease you can "catch" by public contact. Which is not. And you can't make such measures for every such disease, unless the mankind would live in a state of permanent quarantine. If people talk "but it's due to mortality which is significantly higher", than the problem is 1) we in fact don't know what the mortality is, because the infected population is not mapped at all, the "fast spreading" we saw through the recent days not not a prove of spreading the disease, but spreading the tests, and esp. before it became "popular" I bet many people were diagnosed (or autodiagnosed) with "just common virus infection". Even I myself was ill through the whole december, what if it was coronavirus (don't be alarmed, I was in private quarantine ). And we are not talking about black death or something like that, so far all 69 cases diagnosed here have pretty mild progress in comparison with common infections, while 50 people died of flu since the beginning of the year and in the past the experience with the flu says masive precautins were taken only due to a very serious circumstances here.

 

[KOBOT37]

Have you read what the situation in Italy is like? Because this is exactly why there‘s need for carefulness at the moment. To prevent something like this happening all over the World.

its obvious that were are only 2 ways:

1. either go full China, and sent everyone Home, no buses,no trams, no bars, no restaurants.

2. or go full Trump and wait until it goes away without doing anything.

Banning public gathering with more than X amount of people is nothing more than government trying to convince people that they are doing something.

It's obvious what undetected cases are in pretty much every country now (Maybe not in North Korea), these people are spreading it everywhere, in buses, in trams, at house parties, at shopping malls near you.

Banning public gathering will fix nothing.

 

[flanker]

its obvious that were are only 2 ways:

1. either go full China, and sent everyone Home, no buses,no trams, no bars, no restaurants.

2. or go full Trump and wait until it goes away without doing anything.

Banning public gathering with more than X amount of people is nothing more than government trying to convince people that they are doing something.

It's obvious what undetected cases are in pretty much every country now (Maybe not in North Korea), these people are spreading it everywhere, in buses, in trams, at house parties, at shopping malls near you.

Banning public gathering will fix nothing.

That's exactly what I'm trying to say. The impact of such (halfway) measures is negligible when people still use public traffic, go to work, shops etc.

 

[Tolstoj]

Yeah, I think people should barricade themselves in their homes, there should be martial law on the streets and anybody who can potentially spread the virus should be shot at first sight.

C'mon, this is insane. Every day I travel to work and back with thousands of other people, I meet many people at work, in shops, on the street. Some of them may be sick and not just by coronavirus, there are other contagious diseases which didn't disappear now, and which are with us since the beginning of life, and on some of them people can die. It happens every day everywhere. I'm not a fatalist but unless you want to apply some measures I've mentioned above and cause the end of the normal organized society, there will be always some risk. Though, so far the end of normal life can cause much more damage than coronavirus, I would say. Just banning sporting events and thinking "now we've made the world safe again" is delusion.

Here in Italy we used to think the same, just "live your life" but number of cases kept rising and so is the number of deaths despite a very good health system, the highest number of tests in an non-asian country,... We then realized that the only way to limit the outbreak is by putting regions in full lockdown. It's the same approach China and South Korea used.

Transportation system are severely limited, charge fines or even put under arrest people if they leave their houses without a serious motivation, public venues like supermarkets only 5 at the time can enter, leaving distances from each other. Work is also limited, many companies forced employees to work from home if it is possible.

It's true that you don't die because of Coronavirus but you die for any other disease enhanced by coronavirus. It's not a very high death rate but much much higher than a flu.

Now France, Germany and Spain are facing that, USA is about to get in an even worse situation in a month or two (larger country, no big measures whatsoever to prevent contagion, health system is not free there), i hope Canada doesn't behave the same.

Sure you can wait until it goes away, meanwhile death rate will rise rapidly without any sort of prevention.

I won't discuss anymore here, since users are so ready to call it off topic shrug, despite i very much believe it is affecting all of us.

 

[flanker]

Here in Italy we used to think the same, just "live your life" but number of cases kept rising and so is the number of deaths despite a very good health system, the highest number of tests in an non-asian country,... We then realized that the only way to limit the outbreak is by putting regions in lockdown, now they are even starting to fine people if they leave their houses without a serious motivation. It's the same approach China and South Korea used.

It's true that you don't die because of Coronavirus but you die for any other disease enhanced by coronavirus. It's not a very high death rate but much much higher than a flu.

Now France, Germany and Spain are facing that, USA is about to get in an even worse situation in a month or two. (larger country, no big measures whatsoever to prevent contagion, health system is not free there)

I won't discuss anymore here, since users are so ready to call it off topic and think it's better acting like it's none of their business.

I've already wrote about the death rate, the thing is that the official number of infected shows much more how many people were tested than how many people truly have it.

The measures. Yes, if the situation is serious I understand harsh measures then. But the measures we are talking here about I presume have very little impact (my comments above and KOBOT37). The question is: "is the situation/threat so serious to take such measures like in China and Italy or not?" If yes, than let's do them, but those we are talking here are are not the solution.

OK, it's truly OT, so I won't talk about it here anymore. Well, if the cancellation will be applied, that of course the impact to the sport or russian figure skating will be discussed by me, but not the disease or the measures itself

 

[TripleAxelQueens3]

Well, to bring this thread back to topic...

when does the ladies event at the younger age championships start?

 

[lpt]

Well, to bring this thread back to topic...

when does the ladies event at the younger age championships start?

Tomorrow 11-00 MSK (elements)

 

[NaVi]

Well, to bring this thread back to topic...

when does the ladies event at the younger age championships start?

English Schedule: https://imgur.com/a/8ulyoTj (taken from the instagram story of teamkostyleva. younger and junior group are the same thing)
Results: https://www.fsrussia.ru/results/1920/mlvoz2020/index.htm
Live Streams: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7IvcuUJ4AH19WO4Om-44JA

 

[flanker]

Well, to bring this thread back to topic...

when does the ladies event at the younger age championships start?

This is the event schedule: https://fsrussia.ru/files/docs/competitons/1920/specprogramma1920_competition_schedule_upd.pdf
Scoring: https://fsrussia.ru/results/1920/mlvoz2020/index.htm
It's in Tver, time zone +3. Beside SP and FS there is also elements segment. Both younger and older girls elements start tomorrow.

 

[brakes]

Results: https://www.fsrussia.ru/results/1920/mlvoz2020/index.htm

Where are Akatieva and Samodielkina?!

 

[Mawwerg]

Where are Akatieva and Samodielkina?!

I believe it's harsh reality of figure skating - they're too old.

 

[MMisMis]

I believe it's harsh reality of figure skating - they're too old.

 

[brakes]

I believe it's harsh reality of figure skating - they're too old.

No, they aren't.
Samodelkina is 13y1m old and Akatieva 12y8m old, younger than 2016 silver medalist Anna Tarusina at 13y2m for example. Besides, how could they possibly be too old, if they participated in Moscow qualifier to the event?

Something else must have happened.

 

[flanker]

Also, Petrosian is competing in "older girls" and she is older than Akatieva.

 

[Resa]

Luna (and you) somehow presume that this measure minimize the "social contact" to the level where people stop interact. I say it's not true. In Prague itself hundreds of thousands of people still use public transport every day. I myself am present in the standard Prague tram model 15T with the capacity of 180 passengers (and they are full at traffic peak all the time) twice a day five days a week. Above all, shops, work etc. I'll repeat this to you: I meet thousands of people every day anyway without attending any sporting event.

While you can ban every activity above 100 people, which my government did as well, you still don't minimize the contact ordinary people face every day unless you take the measures where you separatate them to the level where it will be ppunished to even show yourself on the street.

You two also presume that COVID-19 is probably the first and only disease you can "catch" by public contact. Which is not. And you can't make such measures for every such disease, unless the mankind would live in a state of permanent quarantine. If people talk "but it's due to mortality which is significantly higher", than the problem is 1) we in fact don't know what the mortality is, because the infected population is not mapped at all, the "fast spreading" we saw through the recent days not not a prove of spreading the disease, but spreading the tests, and esp. before it became "popular" I bet many people were diagnosed (or autodiagnosed) with "just common virus infection". Even I myself was ill through the whole december, what if it was coronavirus (don't be alarmed, I was in private quarantine ). And we are not talking about black death or something like that, so far all 69 cases diagnosed here have pretty mild progress in comparison with common infections, while 50 people died of flu since the beginning of the year and in the past the experience with the flu says masive precautins were taken only due to a very serious circumstances here.

Well, the thing that you apparently don't know is that Covid is 3 times more contageous than the flu. That's the bigger problem than the higher mortality rate here. And also that it's still new, so it can still change and develop into a much more dangerous version as well.

 

[Alex65]

I believe it's harsh reality of figure skating - they're too old.

It makes sense, though. 3A do not come to juniors, VUKh also do not come to juniors. Although they all have the right to it. Perhaps Akatieva and Samodelkina have already outgrown this level.

 

[Edwin]

It makes sense, though. 3A do not come to juniors, VUKh also do not come to juniors. Although they all have the right to it. Perhaps Akatieva and Samodelkina have already outgrown this level.

Based on their merits and proven results, I suppose FFKKR gave them a bye. For which both Sof'ya's are probably glad. Their season has been long, exciting, but also tiring.