2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[laybackrelaxspinfast]

So, we will probably no longer hear "Sasha is mindless jumping robot/machine". Well, at least some positive outcome. :agree:

I’m not sure who has said that but yeah maybe you won’t, I don’t know. I’m certainly not going to start enjoying her skating unless they repackage her well. But I will continue to support and admire her character as I always have in spite of technique and artistry and everything else.

 

[silveruskate]

Regardless of what you think about the methods, Plushenko's academy clearly has a strategy and wants to be better. They're actively trying to entice coaches and skaters. An ambitious academy trying to rise up will almost definitely be good for the skaters inside.

 

[laybackrelaxspinfast]

Orser,for example, has Medvedeva and Kurakowa.

Mishin has Liza and Sonya.

Hamada has You and Rika.

Raf has Mariah and Marin.

Rukavtsin has many girls.

out of curiosity, who are 'most coaches' ?



It's only a fact if you think that making athlete win is job of a coach. It's not. Job of a coach is training athlete for competition. If athlete is as well prepared for competition as possible,then coach did his/her job. Ask Alena or Anna, if they think coach failed them at Russ Nats/Europeans, I am sure they will answer 'no' in heartbeat.

Bit of a flaw in your comparisons since most of those skaters aren’t even close in scoring/skating capabilities and most aren’t from the same federation. Training them doesn’t ruin their national chances or Worlds/Olympics spots so that’s kind of a big thing you have completely ignored there. It is a coaches job to help you win. I get that you have stated your obsession with TT but the rest of us don’t need to sip the Kool-Aid and promote the system.

 

[plushyfan]

Orser,for example, has Medvedeva and Kurakowa.

Mishin has Liza and Sonya.

Hamada has You and Rika.

Raf has Mariah and Marin.

Rukavtsin has many girls.

out of curiosity, who are 'most coaches' ?



It's only a fact if you think that making athlete win is job of a coach. It's not. Job of a coach is training athlete for competition. If athlete is as well prepared for competition as possible,then coach did his/her job. Ask Alena or Anna, if they think coach failed them at Russ Nats/Europeans, I am sure they will answer 'no' in heartbeat.

You are just ridiculous. Were Mishin, Orser, etc 3 years old coach when they reach those succes??? Plus the Russians received the whole environment in a state funding club. I saw to start a private school in Russia wasn' a simply story. Everybody understands if they want what I'm talking about. The haters are very ridiculous many times, you mentioned the haters of Russian forum on Anna. Well, I can't see too much difference in your method.

 

[KOBOT37]

Yess! Because Eteri is a genial coach but she couldn't make succeful skater from her, or she doesn't care about Sofia because she thought she isn't really talented. I mentioned her -I hope that is great succes for a 11. yo skater, you don't want to diminish it- because I just reflected to Scott512. Don't think about too much.

The guy who coached Rubtsova and Kostileva for a competition against Titova is on your team now so...

How many years did it take for Eteri to become a successful coach ?? Or BOrser?

I don't know about Orser,but Eteri at the beginning of her career didn't have more than 1.5 hours of ice time... She couldn't even dream of training someone like Tarakanova...

P.S Lil-Bet also had injuries before moving to Eteri... and she is reigning world vice champion now... just saying

I recommended every haters who read the Russians forums too many times that is not real source..

if you meant me, don't worry, whatever I think of him has nothing to do with anybody's comments about him.

 

[KOBOT37]

You are just ridiculous. Were Mishin, Orser, etc 3 years old coach when they reach those succes??? Plus the Russians received the whole environment in a state funding club. I saw to start a private school in Russia wasn' a simply story. Everybody understands if they want what I'm talking about. The haters are very ridiculous many times, you mentioned the haters of Russian forum on Anna. Well, I can't see too much difference in your method.

sorry but what has this reply to do with that post?

 

[KOBOT37]

Bit of a flaw in your comparisons since most of those skaters aren’t even close in scoring/skating capabilities and most aren’t from the same federation. Training them doesn’t ruin their national chances or Worlds/Olympics spots so that’s kind of a big thing you have completely ignored there. It is a coaches job to help you win. I get that you have stated your obsession with TT but the rest of us don’t need to sip the Kool-Aid and promote the system.

Rika and You are both superstars capable of winning.

Medvedeva and Kurakowa idk... Kurakowa may be surprised about that,she almost has a 3A and jumps quads on the floor (her words, not mine).

Liza and Sonya are pretty close too, same for Marin and Mariah and Rukavtsin girls (in case of Mishin and Rukavtsin also same federation)

So it's okay if coach ruins chances of you being a world champion, but ruining chances to be on team is a taboo? um, okay.

that system doesn't need my promotion, results of graduates speak for themselves,including the girl at your avatar

 

[Resa]

Rika and You are both superstars capable of winning.

Medvedeva and Kurakowa idk... Kurakowa may be surprised about that,she almost has a 3A and jumps quads on the floor (her words, not mine).

Liza and Sonya are pretty close too, same for Marin and Mariah and Rukavtsin girls (in case of Mishin and Rukavtsin also same federation)

So it's okay if coach ruins chances of you being a world champion, but ruining chances to be on team is a taboo? um, okay.

that system doesn't need my promotion, results of graduates speak for themselves,including the girl at your avatar

Oh come on, Liza and Sonya are miles apart! I really like Sonya, but it was clear that she wouldn't be the star that Liza is (and was)

 

[JazzUp]

Plushenko's academy clearly has a strategy

Like they had with Adelina, Sima & Nastya?

 

[Edwin]

Financially, being THE Evgeni Plushenko's top skater with favourable terms is a good offer (and we know Eteri operates under harsh financial terms, not saying it's bad but just a fact).

State your fact, please.

And don’t repeat after TSL, but provide independent source.

Mr Trusov is a businessman, self employed in whatever trade, apparently financially independent. He should know about bartering cuts and deals.

He is dealing with another self made businessman now, it will be interesting to know who conceded to whom.
One of them probably cannot resist himself to brag ....

 

[JazzUp]

Yess! Because Eteri is a genial coach but she couldn't make succeful skater from her

She "couldn't make succeful skater from her" because she didn't train her, Rozanov did.

 

[laybackrelaxspinfast]

Rika and You are both superstars capable of winning.

Medvedeva and Kurakowa idk... Kurakowa may be surprised about that,she almost has a 3A and jumps quads on the floor (her words, not mine).

Liza and Sonya are pretty close too, same for Marin and Mariah and Rukavtsin girls (in case of Mishin and Rukavtsin also same federation)

So it's okay if coach ruins chances of you being a world champion, but ruining chances to be on team is a taboo? um, okay.

that system doesn't need my promotion, results of graduates speak for themselves,including the girl at your avatar

You’re just twisting facts here to support your own baseless argument. Find their scores and compare, you will see why this makes no sense. It’s like saying team Orser is ruining Yuzus chances by training Jason. The skaters are worlds apart and that is the important thing. If they weren’t they wouldn’t be training together. You and Rika is the only fair example you have provided and they represent different countries. A close comparison for Mariah would have been Eunsoo and that blew up very quickly. What TT is doing is unusual in this sport. In part due to the nature of it being a state funded school.

Also Evgenia did well as the main focus of the group and left when that was not the case. A sensible decision, just like Sasha’s.

 

[KOBOT37]

Oh come on, Liza and Sonya are miles apart! I really like Sonya, but it was clear that she wouldn't be the star that Liza is (and was)

as funny as it may seem... last time Liza was at Europeans or worlds was 5 years ago,Sonya won Euros 2 years ago followed by her coach saying "She has everything to become a star".

 

[Sugar Coated]

New article with Plushenko:
Sasha has already chosen music she wants to skate to. They are now looking for choreographers, they may even work with foreigners. It is not decided yet.
Plushenko wants to abandon some of his shows in order to focus on Sasha. (I hope he keeps that promise). Rozanov will be a main coach with his own groups of skaters. Plushenko said Rozanov will not be pushed to the back (shade at Team Tut?)
https://amp.sport24.ru/news/other/2...ergeya-rozanova#click=https://t.co/sL0aJWnmVc

They won’t be doing shows anytime soon due to the virus. Training and competitions will likely try to limit the number of people in one place to less than 20-50. So convenient for him to “choose” to focus on Sasha now.

 

[Resa]

as funny as it may seem... last time Liza was at Europeans or worlds was 5 years ago,Sonya won Euros 2 years ago followed by her coach saying "She has everything to become a star".

Liza being sick was the only reason she wasn't at the EC in the year that Sonya won. and this season, no one was at EC other than the 3A. Liza would have still beaten Sonya at competition.

 

[macy]

i think its interesting that she had looked at 2 other coaches first before Plushenko...even though Eteri persuaded her to stay those times, why didn't she return to either choice when she finally decided to leave? was she rejected from both and Plushenko was her 3rd choice?

 

[Resa]

It would make more sense if they all had Eteri as head coach, but each of them also a personal coach who is exclusively there for them. Then they would have enough individual time

 

[KOBOT37]

You’re just twisting facts here to support your own baseless argument. Find their scores and compare, you will see why this makes no sense. It’s like saying team Orser is ruining Yuzus chances by training Jason. The skaters are worlds apart and that is the important thing. If they weren’t they wouldn’t be training together. You and Rika is the only fair example you have provided and they represent different countries. A close comparison for Mariah would have been Eunsoo and that blew up very quickly. What TT is doing is unusual in this sport. In part due to the nature of it being a state funded school.

Also Evgenia did well as the main focus of the group and left when that was not the case. A sensible decision, just like Sasha’s.

If you think Nugamanova and Gubanova are worlds apart, your world mustn't be very large.

What TT is doing is unusual in this sport.

you mean training so many skaters to world elite? I agree.

In part due to the nature of it being a state funded school.

and it's me who is twisting facts,right?

Also Evgenia did well as the main focus of the group

Out of curiosity, who was 'main focus of the group' in Pyongyang ?

 

[laybackrelaxspinfast]

i think its interesting that she had looked at 2 other coaches first before Plushenko...even though Eteri persuaded her to stay those times, why didn't she return to either choice when she finally decided to leave? was she rejected from both and Plushenko was her 3rd choice?

If they were international choices she may not have wanted to move. I can’t imagine who else in Russia she would consider seriously. No one else has the money to throw behind her training and would be a down grade in every meaning of the word. No offence to Mishin he is doing well with what he has got and I still have mad respect for him.

 

[nussnacker]

It would make more sense if they all had Eteri as head coach, but each of them also a personal coach who is exclusively there for them. Then they would have enough individual time

My dream is to have Eteri and Panova merge their schools and work together, they would be totally killing it.