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It was great seeing Shoma shove it to the skeptics faces ...
Always the goal and highlight of any athletic competition. :yes:
It was great seeing Shoma shove it to the skeptics faces ...
5 quads is more than enough given that his 4 quad program alone is so strong if he performs like he did at National. It is just not beatable.
Edge calls and Underrotations: I have one request: call them all or call none of them for everyone regardless of reputation or world standing. The difference in the SP and LP judging by the Tech panel was baffling and I think really does the skaters a disservice. Especially with Vincent. When he is getting such mixed messages it gets easier and easier to deny there is an issue. You listen to the voice that is loudest and the voice you want to hear.
And it's not like he's the only UR'ing skater out there and he's usually pretty severely penalized for it, so I don't know why so many skating fans take it so personally. I just cannot fathom how Jason Brown gets all the love for finally throwing down a single underrotated quad in competition well into his 20s but Vincent should just give it up now because he's never going to make it.
"Seems popular to hate on Vincent - though guess this isn't new. Last Worlds he went from mostly under the radar to the subject of some rather intense hate after the SP."
I'm honestly baffled by this because it seemingly came out of nowhere. Do you have any idea why? He's barely 18 years old, only in his second international senior season, putting it all out there and pretty obviously working hard to improve. And he seems like such a sweet kid with his heart on his sleeve and genuinely kind too (see Nationals carpet debacle for one example). And it's not like he's the only UR'ing skater out there and he's usually pretty severely penalized for it, so I don't know why so many skating fans take it so personally. I just cannot fathom how Jason Brown gets all the love for finally throwing down a single underrotated quad in competition well into his 20s but Vincent should just give it up now because he's never going to make it. I don't know whose puppy he kicked, but it's just crazy to me. I hope he doesn't read the venom and trash spewed toward him on social media. It's really heartbreaking to think about him reading this stuff. And he gets more hate than anyone I can think of recently, at least in the couple online communities I frequent.
.... after the SP, they decided that 'all the hard work' has finally paid off and Tom immediately jumped at the chance to tout Vincent as the new emerging threat to the big guns in the sport, rivalling the likes of Yuzu, Shoma and Nathan. Tom sure seemed very eager to me.
I just don't get their mindset in this.
"Seems popular to hate on Vincent - though guess this isn't new. Last Worlds he went from mostly under the radar to the subject of some rather intense hate after the SP."
I'm honestly baffled by this because it seemingly came out of nowhere. Do you have any idea why? He's barely 18 years old, only in his second international senior season, putting it all out there and pretty obviously working hard to improve. And he seems like such a sweet kid with his heart on his sleeve and genuinely kind too (see Nationals carpet debacle for one example). And it's not like he's the only UR'ing skater out there and he's usually pretty severely penalized for it, so I don't know why so many skating fans take it so personally. I just cannot fathom how Jason Brown gets all the love for finally throwing down a single underrotated quad in competition well into his 20s but Vincent should just give it up now because he's never going to make it. I don't know whose puppy he kicked, but it's just crazy to me. I hope he doesn't read the venom and trash spewed toward him on social media. It's really heartbreaking to think about him reading this stuff. And he gets more hate than anyone I can think of recently, at least in the couple online communities I frequent.
"Seems popular to hate on Vincent - though guess this isn't new. Last Worlds he went from mostly under the radar to the subject of some rather intense hate after the SP."
I'm honestly baffled by this because it seemingly came out of nowhere. Do you have any idea why? He's barely 18 years old, only in his second international senior season, putting it all out there and pretty obviously working hard to improve. And he seems like such a sweet kid with his heart on his sleeve and genuinely kind too (see Nationals carpet debacle for one example). And it's not like he's the only UR'ing skater out there and he's usually pretty severely penalized for it, so I don't know why so many skating fans take it so personally. I just cannot fathom how Jason Brown gets all the love for finally throwing down a single underrotated quad in competition well into his 20s but Vincent should just give it up now because he's never going to make it. I don't know whose puppy he kicked, but it's just crazy to me. I hope he doesn't read the venom and trash spewed toward him on social media. It's really heartbreaking to think about him reading this stuff. And he gets more hate than anyone I can think of recently, at least in the couple online communities I frequent.
"Seems popular to hate on Vincent - though guess this isn't new. Last Worlds he went from mostly under the radar to the subject of some rather intense hate after the SP."
I'm honestly baffled by this because it seemingly came out of nowhere. Do you have any idea why? He's barely 18 years old, only in his second international senior season, putting it all out there and pretty obviously working hard to improve. And he seems like such a sweet kid with his heart on his sleeve and genuinely kind too (see Nationals carpet debacle for one example). And it's not like he's the only UR'ing skater out there and he's usually pretty severely penalized for it, so I don't know why so many skating fans take it so personally. I just cannot fathom how Jason Brown gets all the love for finally throwing down a single underrotated quad in competition well into his 20s but Vincent should just give it up now because he's never going to make it. I don't know whose puppy he kicked, but it's just crazy to me. I hope he doesn't read the venom and trash spewed toward him on social media. It's really heartbreaking to think about him reading this stuff. And he gets more hate than anyone I can think of recently, at least in the couple online communities I frequent.
... I don’t think persons criticize Vincent for this problem any more than they criticize anyone else. ...
... Jason has had more than his share of criticism over the past few years ...
I find Vincent Zhou to be supremely pretentious (still eyerolling at his godawful USA Today and Medium interviews), a terrible writer to boot (those purple-prose laden Instagram posts...), and politically ignorant (talking about consciously not voting like that's something to be proud of), but to each their own. The latter two points don't have any to do with his skating, but might explain why he as a person rubs people the wrong way.
Receiving some constructive criticism might do wonders for Zhou's ego and bring him down to Earth a bit.
"Seems popular to hate on Vincent - though guess this isn't new. Last Worlds he went from mostly under the radar to the subject of some rather intense hate after the SP."
I'm honestly baffled by this because it seemingly came out of nowhere. Do you have any idea why?
He does and Tom Z should stop comparing him to a ballerina.
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I am a fan of Jason. No question that Jason has had criticism over the past few years.
Meanwhile, the "more than his share" thing is subjective.
And I do not agree with the characterization of Jsnb's post as dissing Jason or slinging barbs at Jason.
... I *do* agree that any post saying that a skater, such as Vincent, received more than his share of criticism is subjective.:thumbsup: ...
I must say that I absolutely agree with Tavi’s characterization. ...
... next up, the team at Worlds!
Oh I heard about that. I'm curious, where/when exactly did he do so?
"Seems popular to hate on Vincent - though guess this isn't new. Last Worlds he went from mostly under the radar to the subject of some rather intense hate after the SP."
I'm honestly baffled by this because it seemingly came out of nowhere. Do you have any idea why? He's barely 18 years old, only in his second international senior season, putting it all out there and pretty obviously working hard to improve. And he seems like such a sweet kid with his heart on his sleeve and genuinely kind too (see Nationals carpet debacle for one example). And it's not like he's the only UR'ing skater out there and he's usually pretty severely penalized for it, so I don't know why so many skating fans take it so personally. I just cannot fathom how Jason Brown gets all the love for finally throwing down a single underrotated quad in competition well into his 20s but Vincent should just give it up now because he's never going to make it. I don't know whose puppy he kicked, but it's just crazy to me. I hope he doesn't read the venom and trash spewed toward him on social media. It's really heartbreaking to think about him reading this stuff. And he gets more hate than anyone I can think of recently, at least in the couple online communities I frequent.