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Knebli said:
Still shaking my head about the Men’s World Champs selection process. I think it would a good idea for SC to make a statement as to how they selected Keegan over Roman. No offence to Keegan. It has been too many disappointments for Roman beyond his control when he has shown he is our strongest candidate.... now and in the future. What about the benefit of the doubt given to others named to the team? Just sayin. I know Men’s is only one spot to fill but didn’t Nam and Keegan get us in this position? More benefit of the doubt. SMH.
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Why would you think Roman is the strongest candidate? Other than winning Nationals, his international placements last season were pretty bad. In his 5 skates his scores were 200, 204, 222, 247 and 260. Other than his one good skate at Nationals (260 score but with domestic scoring), he hasn't proven he can replicate that success on an international stage. He had a chance to show he could do it at 4CC and that's where he came 16th (Nam 6th, Keegan 8th) with a score of only 200 (40-50 points behind Nam and Keegan). He did well in the virtual challenge but that's skating in his home rink and not international competition, also Keegan wasn't able to participate in it since he trains outside Canada so we don't know how they would compare (although Keegan's score at Skate America was higher than Roman's challenge skate). Sure, Nam and Keegan lost the second spot, but Keegan and Nam's poor skates at Worlds still scored 237 which is still better than 3/4 of Roman's international scores from last season. Don't get me wrong, I like Roman and he shows a lot of potential but I think it's pretty obvious why they didn't send him when Olympic spots were on the line.
 
So...if neither lady skater makes the free skate does that mean Canada has to qualify a ladies spot cia nebelhorn?
 
Ziotic said:
So...if neither lady skater makes the free skate does that mean Canada has to qualify a ladies spot cia nebelhorn?
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Yes, that's how it works (though since Canada is pretty certain to automatically qualify for the team event based on the other three disciplines, there'll be a spot for a lady to go to Beijing, even if not for the individual event).
 
4everchan said:
exactly.. let's not blame skate Canada.. they had 3 men for one spot... See.. I might have gone with Nam... though I think Roman is potentially better ... and they went with Keegan... There are arguments for and against any of the 3 skaters... but it's not Skate Canada that is to blame but covid... Apparently, in monitoring, Keegan landed the 4lutz. That would make him the only of those 3 skaters with two different quads, a huge asset in order to achieve top ten. In the end, what we all hope is that it will give Canada the best chance for 2 spots next year, when it matters most. After a long internal debate, I think Keegan is the safest bet ... followed by Nam... and though I adore Roman, I would have to put him in 3rd spot there... based on international results... so I am happy I am not part of the selection committee... I see this selection mathematically... for instance... what are the odds of Roman placing in top 10??? probably lower than the other two... though Roman has probably the best odds to get the highest score if clean... but what odds are the most important??? the ones that secure a top ten... or the ones that may bring you a top 8 if clean... but if not clean are way out of top ten????
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You have captured this touchy topic perfectly. Thank you. Definitely the factual/common sense approach. Emotions get in the way for sure. Its frustrating when a sport becomes a “business” first vs. sport. Not reality to think of purist sport - a pipe dream this will ever exist again. I just hope these last couple of years of Covid challenges does not impact our athletes competitive spirit and we lose talent so deserving of more. It’s all about self motivation of the skaters themselves, their coaches intuitive approach and quality support network. Carpe Diem!
 
BearryBear said:
Why would you think Roman is the strongest candidate? Other than winning Nationals, his international placements last season were pretty bad. In his 5 skates his scores were 200, 204, 222, 247 and 260. Other than his one good skate at Nationals (260 score but with domestic scoring), he hasn't proven he can replicate that success on an international stage. He had a chance to show he could do it at 4CC and that's where he came 16th (Nam 6th, Keegan 8th) with a score of only 200 (40-50 points behind Nam and Keegan). He did well in the virtual challenge but that's skating in his home rink and not international competition, also Keegan wasn't able to participate in it since he trains outside Canada so we don't know how they would compare (although Keegan's score at Skate America was higher than Roman's challenge skate). Sure, Nam and Keegan lost the second spot, but Keegan and Nam's poor skates at Worlds still scored 237 which is still better than 3/4 of Roman's international scores from last season. Don't get me wrong, I like Roman and he shows a lot of potential but I think it's pretty obvious why they didn't send him when Olympic spots were on the line.
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Appreciate your commentary. You certainly have your facts to back your opinion.
At least we have 3 to debate about. And thus, I don't think it is the obvious choice as you state. Unfortunately, there was not a National Championship event for all 3 to show their stripes together. Instead we depend on data based decisions only which is tough when you are on the wrong side. We have all been there ourselves at one time or another and it sucks. Just sayin’.
Go Keegan! Make it happen.
 
Knebli said:
You have captured this touchy topic perfectly. Thank you. Definitely the factual/common sense approach. Emotions get in the way for sure. Its frustrating when a sport becomes a “business” first vs. sport. Not reality to think of purist sport - a pipe dream this will ever exist again. I just hope these last couple of years of Covid challenges does not impact our athletes competitive spirit and we lose talent so deserving of more. It’s all about self motivation of the skaters themselves, their coaches intuitive approach and quality support network. Carpe Diem!
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I find myself really hoping that the World Team Trophy happens and if so, that the suggestion that Skate Canada might send Roman/Nam to it is true. It would be wonderful for Roman, especially, to have an opportunity to show an international audience—and, perhaps more importantly, Skate Canada!—just how talented he is, and how extraordinary he can be. No one else is going to do it for him. He has to do it himself, on an international stage, with all the skating world watching. Then perhaps he’ll start to get a bit more support from Skate Canada.
 
the issue here is simple... the ISU spot allotting is once again shown to be archaic. I am 100% fine with the necessity to cap world spots at 3 for instance. No need to have 15 Russian ladies in the top 20 at an event.. So on that front, I agree with the ISU with having quotas. However, there are so many ways they could manage quotas that would create less unfairness. It has been mentioned a million times already, but Canada's dilemma this year with both men and ladies selection wouldn't happen if skaters qualified themselves throughout the season (let's forget about covid just for now) instead of skaters earning spots for their country a season ahead.... That is simply ridiculous and leads to choices made by the federation based on whatever criteria... A simple way would be for the ISU to allow the "48" (could be another number) best skaters of the season based on scores or a point system (like on world cups in other sports) with a max of 3 skaters per country.... That way, a country who is dominating an event would still have their 3 podium ready contenders but it could give another country with 3 skaters in the top 20 but outside the top 5 a chance to compete as well. Careers would be longer that way and it would allow better development in the middle and lower level countries. And of course, that way, it would mean that each skater takes responsibility for their own qualification. Of course, that would mean 100 less posts in this thread ;) as we would no longer be able to blame officials... but it would also mean that we could as fans, really get behind our favourite skaters and cheer for them and follow them extra hard at each event they would participate in... It would be a much more positive experience all around... I mean, this would also benefits countries ... for instance, if the skaters had to earn their own qualification throughout the season, we might have seen 3 korean ladies, and Young You may have earned her spot through her international results... instead of being sidelined for having a bad event at her home nationals... etc
 
4everchan you rock! Bang on. It really can be that simple. Lets encourage decisions for skaters not country politics or power play agendas. With Covid we are stepping back and focusing on more 'simple' ways. How can we get a voice of reason at the table? Altruistic I know. But why not?
It's for the love of the sport of figure skating. Where we all started, most of us I presume:)
 
BearryBear said:
Why would you think Roman is the strongest candidate? Other than winning Nationals, his international placements last season were pretty bad. In his 5 skates his scores were 200, 204, 222, 247 and 260. Other than his one good skate at Nationals (260 score but with domestic scoring), he hasn't proven he can replicate that success on an international stage. He had a chance to show he could do it at 4CC and that's where he came 16th (Nam 6th, Keegan 8th) with a score of only 200 (40-50 points behind Nam and Keegan). He did well in the virtual challenge but that's skating in his home rink and not international competition, also Keegan wasn't able to participate in it since he trains outside Canada so we don't know how they would compare (although Keegan's score at Skate America was higher than Roman's challenge skate). Sure, Nam and Keegan lost the second spot, but Keegan and Nam's poor skates at Worlds still scored 237 which is still better than 3/4 of Roman's international scores from last season. Don't get me wrong, I like Roman and he shows a lot of potential but I think it's pretty obvious why they didn't send him when Olympic spots were on the line.
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Can someone explain to me why Nam is not in the mix??? He was chosen last year to go to worlds but for the pandemic. It is odd how Keegan was allowed to send in flilm clips versus live monitoring. Though there was some mention that Nam had less training time due to the pandemic (his raining centre was less "open") But at thsi point it comes down to Keegan is going and now he has to do it - earn Canada two spots.
 
Colonel Green said:
Yes, that's how it works (though since Canada is pretty certain to automatically qualify for the team event based on the other three disciplines, there'll be a spot for a lady to go to Beijing, even if not for the individual event).
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Though I don't blame Canada's ladies
Colonel Green said:
Yes, that's how it works (though since Canada is pretty certain to automatically qualify for the team event based on the other three disciplines, there'll be a spot for a lady to go to Beijing, even if not for the individual event).
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I don't blame Canada's ladies skaters but it is ironic the have two spots, last years national champion had a horrible year and gets to go while Nam and Roman are watching worlds a few hours later. I agree with 4everchan's assessment. I have to say Canada's men really have potential - I just say can't which one I would say is the best. Nam is often forgotten His skating skills have really improved and artistry. I really hope they earn two spots.
 
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There is quite a range of numbers between 3 and 15.
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I prefer not to discuss details of my post in this thread. We have had many spot qualification threads that went on and on... I was just making a point that if ISU changed the way skaters qualified, at least skaters themselves would be responsible to earn their own spots... and the federation, here read Skate Canada, would not be facing the difficult task of choosing skaters to send to worlds
 
Schizas and Bauback skate right after Loena Hendrickx, the toughest skater in the early groups. Loena was 12th at 2019 Worlds but didn't skate in the 19-20 GP or early 2000 because of a nagging injury, and her two comps this season didn't count for WS points, so her WS took a hit.
 
Good for the Canadian ladies. Loena can help raise the PCS scores and GOEs .... and then, if the Canadians girls do well, their scores should be ok... much better after than before... a bit nervous for MTM skating last ...
 
withwings said:
You sound like you do feel personally offended ( sour) that Keegan is the one who goes to the Worlds.... Better wish him to skate his very best and it will give to your favorite one an opportunity to go to the Olympics:).

And who are you to know "other much better skaters"? It is little ibt too much of personal bitterness here.
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Been watching figure skating for decades, that’s my personal opinion of his skating. I get other people like it and I’m perplexed, but my personal opinion doesn’t rule. Feel free to use normal font.
 
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