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Unbelievable!
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Yeah we did know all this. But it was great to see this spelled out more literally. It made me think while I was reading it that, ok this skater probably won't make it etc...
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How so?
The fact that there are too many girls for the spots isn't a new fact, surely?
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You know how so because KV Dasha and Maya are turning senior and making everything deeper and stronger. These three alone take the Russian ladies depth from remarkable to unbelievable!
There are rumours that Tuktamysheva is working on the 4Lz.
And it makes sense. Her 3Lz is her best jump. It is excellent with perfect technique. If she can pull this off it would be a total game changer for her next season.
I just hope while working on the quad that it will not mess up her 3Lz as it is. She still needs that.
And it makes sense. Her 3Lz is her best jump. It is excellent with perfect technique. If she can pull this off it would be a total game changer for her next season.
I just hope while working on the quad that it will not mess up her 3Lz as it is. She still needs that.
Of the skaters from the Big Feds I think the only skater whose Worlds appearance was better than Nationals was Tuktamysheva.
My concern or skepticism about Tuktamysheva and quads is how they get inserted to the program - the only time she has attempted a quad in competition was at Nationals last year and they removed a fairly stable (at the time) triple axel with the quad toe - which even if landed on BV is only worth a 1.5 more than the triple axel. I adore Mishin, but Mishin's skaters tend to have weak layouts in comparison to their competitors, like those low-scoring SEQ jumps. When Shcherbakova inserted her quad flip she did it by replacing her lowest scoring jump where even when she fell on it she generally scored the same as what she did with a clean double axel; the other side Tuktamysheva when she inserted her quad toe she replaced her highest scoring jump with the quad.
Does Tuktamysheva need to increase her jump arsenal - yes, but if she's going to get on the Olympic team she needs to also make quality upgrades to her layouts like replacing low-valued jumps and looking at being more aggressive with backloading - look at the SP Scherbakova only does a double axel but she really takes a good amount of that triple axel advantage away because she does a more difficult combination and backloads it. Additionally we know that Shcherbakova generally gets decent GOEs on her elements as she usually is doing transitions in/out of them while Tuktamysheva does not - that may not be what everyone likes but it is something that adds points to the table (which is a required element of winning competitions - score more points than your competitor)
Below is a table of the TES BV and TES BV+GOE for the SP for both her and Shcherbakova where they were judged by the same technical panels. I pulled her in comparison to Shcherbakova because they have actually gone to a lot of the same competitions including internationally so there's a lot of data to compare them against each other. ***Note these are competitions that I can remember them both being at and that I could pull scoring sheets for; the BV can change slightly based on pops of jumps or lost levels on spins and step sequences
| Competition | Shcherbakova (BV/BV+GOE) | Tuktamysheva (BV/BV+GOE) |
| Lombardia 2019 | 32.10/37.09 | 36.59/41.90 |
| Skate America 2019 | 32.70/36.91 | 33.79/36.42 |
| GP China 2019 | 33.18/40.08 | 33.29/34.71 (fall on triple axel) |
| Nationals 2020 | 33.78/43.86 | 35.62/41.09 |
| Cup Stage #3 | 30.26/40.03 | 34.29/42.60 |
| Nationals 2021 | 32.88/42.51 | 35.09/39.16 |
| Worlds 2021 | 33.18/43.86 | 36.63/44.39 |
| WTT 2021 | 33.78/43.51 | 36.83/45.43 |
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Her good 3Lz technique is why it's hard for me to see her doing the quad. She'd likely have to pre-rotate quite a bit more to pull the jump off, and she doesn't do that on any of her triples. Additionally, I don't she rotates fast enough.
I personally feel that her time would be better spent intergarting the 4T (and didnt she also land 4S at some point?) into the program witout removing either of her 3+3 combinations or the two 3As
So a layout like this
4T/4S
3A+2T
3A
3Lo/3F
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3Lz+3T
2A+Eu+3S (or possibly replace the 2A with 3F/3Lo if she can)
3Lz
These are all jumps she can do in isolation so it should be possible and if she did put this together in competition this would be a truly competetive layout. My guess is what is holding her back from attempting it is more stamina related than ability/ technique related.
You're right! I published this because it was a very good and systematic summary on a topic of interest to many.
It also gives an idea of the level of importance of each competition for skaters targeting the Olympics. You just have to cling as much as possible to any opportunity to win somewhere, so that RFS would at least look at you for a potential trip to the Olympics. Even the powerful Valieva didn't have much of a chance. And it also kills me that athletes who would most likely take an Olympic medal will stay at home. It is sincerely a pity for such girls, who spend their whole life in figure skating and have ultra-c, may never get to the Olympics.
On the other hand, it will be interesting to go to the final of the Russian championship in St. Petersburg and watch it inside ice pool.
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It depends on if it affects her other jumps and how she implements it. Merely getting a quad or a triple axel isn't enough. It's layout and optimization. If she just replaced the 4Lz with one of her 3As that helps but doesn't help a lot especially as the 3A is a stable jump for her.
Not rumors. Tukt mentioned in her recent interview: "I'm forcing myself to learn 4Lz."
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It's risk and reward with the quads because the risks are obvious the rest of your skating will suffer there a will likely be more mistakes and the rewards are if you land quads cleanly you will score big. Very big.
In a new article on a Russian sports site the CSKA coach Davydov says 5 quads takes away from the overall skating. That kind of makes you go hmmm.
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Yes, we’ve seen it time and again with Trusova. She puts in 4-5 quads and it‘s a huge go big or go home. Sometimes she implodes and gets knocked off the podium (like at the Rostelecom Cup 2020) or sometimes it more or less works out and she becomes the first woman to break the 100 TES mark. (Skate Canada 2019) The problem is you don’t always know which one you’ll get.
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