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Fun fact if you put people in this thread on 'ignore', reading replies from people you don't have on ignore to their comments can really make you laugh (trick is don't give in and click "show ignored content" and see what they posted)
LOL! Totally agree! I have a certain anti-Anna poster on 'ignore', and I am lolling all the time when I see that poster has been at it again. Thank God I can't see it.
 
That advert was like one for a reality show. Keeping Up With The Russian Federation or something like that. Competition? Sport? What‘s that - we‘re only here for the drama, right?

As for the scoring - I do expect veeeery high PCS for Kamila but at the same time, it‘s the Russian Cup, so most top skaters will probably get their fare share of inflation. It will be interesting to see who they‘re pushing, though. Battle for Gold will be between Sasha and Kamila and while I‘m rooting for the former, I wouldn‘t mind a Kamila-win either. I mainly just hope Zhenya manages to win a medal and not implode lol.
I am not here for the drama, I am here for the wonderful skating.

I will never understand all these coach dramas. They have nothing to do with the real thing. We all know that Trusova, Kostornaia, Shcherbakova, Zagitova, Medvedeva, Tuktamysheva et al are ALL amazing skaters. And they are only the top of the wonderful iceberg that is Russian ladies.

And yes, I also hope that Medvedeva medals and not implode.
 
The next few competitions are going to be interesting, but not cause too many issues for Sasha.
The Olympic team contenders realistically are Sasha, Alena, Anna , Kamila. Sasha just needs to stay ahead of one consistently throughout the season, which is certainly doable.

The main question is the progress each girl makes in the run up to 2022. This season im actually starting to see Kamila as a challenger for the illusive Olympic gold medal.
Sasha's main advantage is her quad repitiour, so she needs to practice going clean with extra quads as buffer to kamila's spins and PCS, but it can be a double edged sword if Sasha goes for more quads but makes mistakes that lower her score significantly.

It was the 3As. Now it's 3A and a K.

I love sherbakova skating but I really don't like her jumps. Feel free to block/ignore me - I've mentioned her jumps a couple of times, but I've said all I needed to say about them and no point to drone on about them. And I appreciate sherbakova other qualities.

What I'm fascinated by is the fact nobody mentions Medvedevas technique as much when she was at Orser. I like to have same standards for everybody, and whilst Sherbakova had her jump issues everybody who has those issues should be scrutinized just as much.
 
The next few competitions are going to be interesting, but not cause too many issues for Sasha.
The Olympic team contenders realistically are Sasha, Alena, Anna , Kamila. Sasha just needs to stay ahead of one consistently throughout the season, which is certainly doable.

The main question is the progress each girl makes in the run up to 2022. This season im actually starting to see Kamila as a challenger for the illusive Olympic gold medal.
Sasha's main advantage is her quad repitiour, so she needs to practice going clean with extra quads as buffer to kamila's spins and PCS, but it can be a double edged sword if Sasha goes for more quads but makes mistakes that lower her score significantly.

It was the 3As. Now it's 3A and a K.

I love sherbakova skating but I really don't like her jumps. Feel free to block/ignore me - I've mentioned her jumps a couple of times, but I've said all I needed to say about them and no point to drone on about them. And I appreciate sherbakova other qualities.

What I'm fascinated by is the fact nobody mentions Medvedevas technique as much when she was at Orser. I like to have same standards for everybody, and whilst Sherbakova had her jump issues everybody who has those issues should be scrutinized just as much.
I agree with you mostly. And I would also add Daria to one of the contenders for Olympics next season, if she can learn to master her nerves.

Realistically, and I am saddened to say this, I think Alëna is the one who will be left out. But she might surprise me, these competitions this season will be crucial for her I think.
 
The next few competitions are going to be interesting, but not cause too many issues for Sasha.
The Olympic team contenders realistically are Sasha, Alena, Anna , Kamila. Sasha just needs to stay ahead of one consistently throughout the season, which is certainly doable.

The main question is the progress each girl makes in the run up to 2022. This season im actually starting to see Kamila as a challenger for the illusive Olympic gold medal.
Sasha's main advantage is her quad repitiour, so she needs to practice going clean with extra quads as buffer to kamila's spins and PCS, but it can be a double edged sword if Sasha goes for more quads but makes mistakes that lower her score significantly.

It was the 3As. Now it's 3A and a K.

I love sherbakova skating but I really don't like her jumps. Feel free to block/ignore me - I've mentioned her jumps a couple of times, but I've said all I needed to say about them and no point to drone on about them. And I appreciate sherbakova other qualities.

What I'm fascinated by is the fact nobody mentions Medvedevas technique as much when she was at Orser. I like to have same standards for everybody, and whilst Sherbakova had her jump issues everybody who has those issues should be scrutinized just as much.
Medvedeva's technique is much better. I watched sooo many times in slow motion. Especially Shcherbakova. :D
 
I agree with you mostly. And I would also add Daria to one of the contenders for Olympics next season, if she can learn to master her nerves.

Realistically, and I am saddened to say this, I think Alëna is the one who will be left out. But she might surprise me, these competitions this season will be crucial for her I think.
Alyona is the best!
I hope she stops reading the internet so much (I am sure she does).
 
The next few competitions are going to be interesting, but not cause too many issues for Sasha.
The Olympic team contenders realistically are Sasha, Alena, Anna , Kamila. Sasha just needs to stay ahead of one consistently throughout the season, which is certainly doable.

The main question is the progress each girl makes in the run up to 2022. This season im actually starting to see Kamila as a challenger for the illusive Olympic gold medal.
Sasha's main advantage is her quad repitiour, so she needs to practice going clean with extra quads as buffer to kamila's spins and PCS, but it can be a double edged sword if Sasha goes for more quads but makes mistakes that lower her score significantly.

It was the 3As. Now it's 3A and a K.

I love sherbakova skating but I really don't like her jumps. Feel free to block/ignore me - I've mentioned her jumps a couple of times, but I've said all I needed to say about them and no point to drone on about them. And I appreciate sherbakova other qualities.

What I'm fascinated by is the fact nobody mentions Medvedevas technique as much when she was at Orser. I like to have same standards for everybody, and whilst Sherbakova had her jump issues everybody who has those issues should be scrutinized just as much.

In my opinion outside of staying injury-free, the big thing this season for the Olympic team contenders is to show they are somewhat consistent with the ultra-difficult elements in competition since they all have those difficult elements (assuming that Kostornaia gets the triple axel back). Trusova I think has to start showing improvements that she is more than just a "jumper", of the 4 skaters you mentioned even though Shcherbakova/Valieva might not have the greatest technique they are much more well-rounded on their scoring ability with non-jump elements, so they can absorb edge calls/under-rotations, etc. on their difficult jumps.

What I'm fascinated by is the fact nobody mentions Medvedevas technique as much when she was at Orser. I like to have same standards for everybody, and whilst Sherbakova had her jump issues everybody who has those issues should be scrutinized just as much.

The general line about Medvedeva's technique with Orser was that she was "reverting to her old technique in competition". I think the difference between the 2 is that Shcherbakova is a threat for not only the podium but for gold, Medvedeva hasn't really been a podium threat for big competitions since the Olympics her Worlds bronze in 2019 was "lucked into" a bit since Kihara imploded on her triple axels at that competition.
 
Do you really think Kamila will get higher PCS than Sasha? Even though she's still a junior and Sasha already has one senior season behind her? I think that would be surprising.
Anyway, I just hope both of them skate clean and feel good about their skates.
 
I agree with you mostly. And I would also add Daria to one of the contenders for Olympics next season, if she can learn to master her nerves.

Realistically, and I am saddened to say this, I think Alëna is the one who will be left out. But she might surprise me, these competitions this season will be crucial for her I think.

before I put Daria as a contender for the Olympic team at this point she's got to show progress towards a quad or triple axel, it would surprise me if the main entries for Europeans/Worlds/Olympics included a skater without a triple axel or a quad.
 
In my opinion outside of staying injury-free, the big thing this season for the Olympic team contenders is to show they are somewhat consistent with the ultra-difficult elements in competition since they all have those difficult elements (assuming that Kostornaia gets the triple axel back). Trusova I think has to start showing improvements that she is more than just a "jumper", of the 4 skaters you mentioned even though Shcherbakova/Valieva might not have the greatest technique they are much more well-rounded on their scoring ability with non-jump elements, so they can absorb edge calls/under-rotations, etc. on their difficult jumps.



The general line about Medvedeva's technique with Orser was that she was "reverting to her old technique in competition". I think the difference between the 2 is that Shcherbakova is a threat for not only the podium but for gold, Medvedeva hasn't really been a podium threat for big competitions since the Olympics her Worlds bronze in 2019 was "lucked into" a bit since Kihara imploded on her triple axels at that competition.
Agreed. Shcherbakova/Valieva has indeed a lot of other things in their programs that sometimes get forgotten.

And yes, Medvedeva got her bronze with a little luck. For me, Sakamoto was the loser here with that popped 3F that still should have given her the bronze imo.
 
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Agreed. Shcherbakova/Valieva has indeed a lot of other things in their programs that sometimes get forgotten.

And yes, Medvedeva got her bronze with a little luck. For me, Sakamoto was the loser here with that popped 3F.
I think Sakamoto deserved the silver even with the popped 3F. I do not get Tursynbaeva jumps.
 
Is the "who landed what first" a big deal - not really, and both Trusova and Shcherbakova have some ISU-ratified quad "firsts" to their names; I think a good number of people got annoyed last season because figure skating media acted as if Trusova is a one-woman trailblazer and the only doing quads, Lipinski made a remark at the GPF about never seeing 1 skater single handedly advance the sport technically as Trusova has. Yes, Shcherbakova doesn't do the volume of quads that Trusova does, she has focused more on her other elements, stabilizing the quads she has and gaining the triple axel. At the end of the day of the 2 quad skaters in ladies skating last year - Shcherbakova was far more successful, she won every FS segment, won nationals and placed over Trusova each time they competed against each other.
Pls Anna was not "far more successful" than Sasha last season. She was literally only one placement above Sasha in two international competitions last season. Literally 2nd and 3rd, not even like Anna won the competitions lol. She won nationals too though but Sasha was also on the podium. I wonder if Anna was "fortunate" Sasha wasn't clean and that's why she was even able to place above her those times because Sasha still holds the WR for the FS segment even when she wasn't clean.

Also literally almost every top girl has said something along the lines of training the "triple Axel". Anna herself has said this for years and yet we haven't seen the results so idk how you're saying she's "gaining the triple Axel" when we haven't seen it and comparing that to Sasha who is actively competing with quads in competitions.
 
Analyzing her technique. To see If she has improved. She is not... I am starting to think that this is not even possible...
I also sometimes watch Yuna Kim, Carolina Kostner, Alexia Paganini, Alyona Kostornaya, Veronika Zhilina and Yuzuru Hanyu in slow motion. And even others - Alexandra Trusova, Kamila Valieva, Sofiya Akatieva, Evgeniya Medvedeva, Mao Asada, Michelle Kwan, Sasha Cohen, Nathan Chen, Boyang Jin, Javier Fernandez, Shoma Uno...
 
I don't really think you understood what kolyadafan and I were discussing there. We are aware of there being less than perfect technique for toeloops. The point he was trying to make is that the rule is worded in a way that can lead to the TP interpreting it as "a toe loop with a 180 pivot on the pick at take off" as deserving a downgrade.

Beyond this, if you're just describing how the skating foot turns vs the picking foot so on and so forth, I don't think I have anything to say there. The reason I brought up sideways picking literally is because a toe loop has a natural 90 pivot. Nothing to do with toe axels.
I thought the topic of discussion was when a jump is classified as forward take-off and deserving of the penalty listed in ISU rules, but maybe I'm mistaken.

When it comes to pivoting I'm not going to comment, but skaters don't pick in at 90 degrees on toe loops as far as I know.
 
I think the skater I'm most sure of making the Olympics is Valieva. The only reason is because of age. For the 3A, they're going to be going through the most awkward times and no one knows what will happen.
 
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