2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
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Sasha got ~162 at GPF last year with one fall and a popped quad. She made 2 more mistakes here and got 128. That's a loss of 34 points. There may be grounds to argue that her pcs is too high but that's enough punishment in the grand scheme of things imo.
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Is this smth new? I could often rewind yt streams but I've noticed since the short program in rostelecom I can no longer rewind these streams.
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Sasha had problems with almost all of her jumping passes this time, the only clean one was 2A-3T and even that one was kind of a struggle.
It's more than just 4 falls, there was not much things to add good GOE to, and BV fell significantly.
I think a fall on an element (jumps, step sequences and spins) should get 0 points for the element, but no deduction. A fall somewhere in between the elements should get a -1 deduction. Maybe the skater should be allowed to repeat the element, so for example if they fall on a 4T, they could replace an easier jump with a 4T if they are confident enough to do so. I think programs with multiple falls scoring higher than seemingly clean programs is hurting the reputation of the sport.
I don't see such a big problem in Alena's skating. She is growing up, everyone was struggling sooner or later growing up. The only skater I remember who didn't seem to struggle at all, was Yuna Kim, but even she rarely went 100% clean. That's why maybe grown-up skaters shouldn't compete against kids.
I don't see such a big problem in Alena's skating. She is growing up, everyone was struggling sooner or later growing up. The only skater I remember who didn't seem to struggle at all, was Yuna Kim, but even she rarely went 100% clean. That's why maybe grown-up skaters shouldn't compete against kids.
I agree.. and her LP is base on the jumps and nothing more .. so her PCS is base on the fact that her program is clean ( in her SP she can earn PCs because isn't everything about the jumps) ... so with 4 falls and other mistakes .. she should never had got more PCS than Nuguamanova .. sasha force is in the jumps not in the other aspects ..
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That's probably a topic for a separate thread, but I just don't agree with this. Fall on a, say, 3Lze<< can't score the same as a fall on a proper rotated 4Lz. Fully rotating difficult elements is difficult and dangerous and skaters should get at least *some* credit on it. The +/- 5 GOE system was already introduced to penalize falls more and I think that's enough.
To me, figure skating isn't just about "not falling". That's not the point of IJS at least. For example, a skater with one fall but excellent quality on the clean elements and good basics shouldn't be behind a "clean" program with multiple URs, edge problems and subpar skating skills and interpretation - that's hurting the sport much more.
But with one (!) fall, that's pretty much unlikely. Let's assume Anna or Kamila fall once on their quads. They will still win over any other skater with subpar elements, even if they get zero points for their quad attempt. But if they fall multiple times, then yes, I think it's fair if a less talented skater overtakes them at that one competition.
Yes but she did also land a quad combo and a triple combo. So even for all her troubles, she landed 3 triples and a quad.
I just don't think falls need to be punished any more than they are. Sasha's tech score is essentially 61.80 if you take into account the mandatory deductions, which is less than 0.5 more than Guliakova who had many underrotations with a triple only program.
But looking at the protocols again, I would punish Sasha more on the pcs side of things. She got more on pcs here than at Japan open last year where she landed 4 quads and didn't fall once. If I were to rescore her, I would put performance, interpretation and composition down into the 7's which would bring her down to 61.20.
I do think that a fall should override judges goe score to an automatic -5 though. Somehow two judges gave her -4 and one judge gave -3 on her 4S. I mean, even if that was not deemed a fall, it was disruptive enough to warrant a -5...
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That's because she actually made 4 more mistakes here. She not only fell 4 times (also under-rotating of the Lz and T), she also got a q on her second 4T and her second 3T. She actually made mistakes on 6/7 jumping passes (all of which were noticeable in real time). At the GPF she was clean everywhere else so only made mistakes on 2/7.
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It's blown out of proportion. Sasha would never score 238-240 across programs with 3+ falls so would not have beaten Evgenia or Alina at the Olympics. The only way she would have had a chance with 3 falls is with a clean 3A in the short program.
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The issue with getting zero points for a quad attempt (or for that matter any attempt because there are still plenty of falls on triples and double axels) is that it's actually worse than if you just ignored the element at all and skated through it. That's ridiculous. Would you make it the same if you fall on your step sequence or fall out of your spin? And then how would falling on a jump that be worth less (because of negative GOE) than if you just tripped randomly while not attempting any element (spin/jump/etc)? That's absurd.
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She was divine. It is still buffling me though how much Eteri is pushing for Kamila. They have never done this for any other skater. I hope that they have a strategy to cope up with the stress and the expectations going into the Olympic season next year
She was forced to do so since she lost two of her top skaters. If Kostornaya and Trusova hadn't left, i don't think Kamila would be pushed that hard. And there is also the fact that there are only domestic competitions till Mars for Valieva, so she has to compete as a senior. And she can't get junior scores at senior competitions...She was divine. It is still buffling me though how much Eteri is pushing for Kamila. They have never done this for any other skater. I hope that they have a strategy to cope up with the stress and the expectations going into the Olympic season next year
Yes, there is not much difference between her and Trusova who is 2 years older.
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yes
(the ONLY quad landed at Rostelecom, among ladies)
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I often wonder if part of the reason Trusova and Alena left was because of the special treatment Kamila was getting. We all know they were dissatisfied with the whole 3A marketing and the team for progress stuff vs the individual skaters getting the recognition they deserved, but it seems Kamila’s special treatment is on a whole new level. Maybe the girls saw this push for Kamila and decided to jump ship.
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