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After all, what we‘re doing right now is nothing more than throwing guesses out there. They could be right or (more likely) totally wrong. Let‘s wait and see. The only thing I know is that the Olympic team selection will be heartbreaking. I want them all to make it but...

That's for sure, we all want the skaters to have success and our favourites win in beautiful and fair competitions.

Which brings me to politics. Previously, it seemed Russian FS was all CSKA and skaters from the regions hardly played any role unless they transferred to the big central club from its divisions in the various parts of Russia. And going by old interviews, it was like the military proper, with a chain of command, ranks etc.
Between CSKA Moscow and CSKA Sankt Peterburg there was considerable and often bitter rivalry, with some disciplines being dominated by each over a couple of year before changing positions.

Then Sambo-70 came into play (a Dinamo division?), with its Khrustalniy branch under the leadership of Tutberidze effectively taking over the female single skating since the last couple of years.

Now a third party enters the arena, privately financed, but not yet able to raise its own athletes from scratch. Spoiled kids from wealthy parents might not be the best stock to create champions from? You still need a thousand 5 year olds to get one 15 year old the likes of Trusova, 10 long years later. Unless you can keep all the 999 others on board and have them subsidise this single stand out elite athlete. There will be huge expensive and resources wasted over those 10 years, no investors can be found for that apart from ambitious parents. So this private academy predates on, or even parasites on the state schools, where these constraints of money and time don't count, since the SDYuSShOR are essentially normal schools with compulsory attendance and a strong emphasis on sports. Here, one can find these thousand year 1 kids and hope by year 11 one of them remains.

These practices of luring, poaching, predating or however you'd like to call them won't make the state schools and by extension their organisations of CSKA or Sambo-70 happy. They'd hate to see their investment go to nil when the athlete gets lured away, all the while they cannot really, morally or legally oppose the wish of the athlete ('s parents) right? Those days are past.

So far the only high profile privately financed academy is the Angels of Plyushchenko, but there are many more, usually offering recreative and low intensity competitive classes, courses, training camps and development schemes, with (I assume) a high turnover in children. FFKKR looks at these academies with suspicion, as their quality isn't guaranteed, as opposed to the state schools. Are there even any federal requirements as to insurance or compulsory 'certificate of good conduct' and periodical checks since one is working with children?

Triumph Academy under the leadership of Sof'ya Fedchenko has the only other 'private' athlete on the national junior team, 12 year old Alina Gorbachyova, officially from Tver in the regions. Fedchenko's top group of Triumph shows they take the sport very seriously, training at the highest level of intensity and quality. During their live streams, one can always see parents asking for admittance, the summer camp etc. on behalf of their child. Since the parents pay, the peace between the 'skating moms' has to be maintained, or it could all go downhill pretty fast.

So with the two camps of CSKA and Sambo-70 established by now, how does the Academy of Angels fit in? Where does it find its allies, where does it finds its political support? Will it have its representative among the official judiciary and governance of the overseeing body and Ministry of Sports? Remember the judging by Aleksandr Volkov in the Moscow qualifying events?

Much depends here on the personality, character and behaviour of the people in charge. It is far more difficult to get honest allies than it is to get enemies. Plyushchenko belonged to CSKA as a skater, will the CSKA column silently or openly support him still? Earning respect amongst your peer trainers begins with your personal attitude towards them. Yevgeniy Viktorovich in this respect has his work cut out for him.
 
I had exactly the same thoughts about this. Although, I’m not sure why’d he promise international choreographers when the pandemic was in full force in the first place, but I’m actually willing to give him benefit of the doubt this time, and accept that he meant it will happen later at some point.

I hope Rozanov will do good choreos, he’s only done them for novices (don’t know which ones) from what I understood and only had this experience last years, when Eteri challenged him to give it a try. But I think he will work hard for Sasha, he will only have to do choreo for very few students, so I think he will really concentrate his efforts into these programs.

Bragging up front is never a wise thing.

But you are right, the worldwide pandemic will make work for those established international renowned choreographers very difficult. So many programs to stage for so many skaters from all over the world, 14 days quarantine at every border crossing and what other barriers. It'll probably come down to like $1000 per actual hour of staging when one of those choreographers of name has to spend a fortnight in camp to work with Trusova alone.
Even getting those Bolshoi artists into a closed and secure training venue like Novogorsk or Kislovodsk will pose lots of logistical and practical problems, apart from the actual expense. So next season Aleksandra will get the Olympic quality programs she'll need?

I think also that Rozanov will do his best for the small team now under his tutelage. He wanted this, now is the chance. but let him keep the programs for both Aleksandra and perhaps Sof'ya under cover until Test Skates, resist the temptation to show off, to spoil the surprise, please.
 
Alina had no problems with the lutz edge, the problem were only with terrible judging in one tournament.

In one or two cases Alina truly had an unclear edge (though should have never received "e"), the problems with judging (esp. at IdF) was she definitely wasn't alone, but somehow others wrong edges weren't called which was found OK here that Alina was judged more harshly. Alina also received that ridiculous deduction for a time violation in her short program.
 
I can't wrap my head around this, in my mind she's still that 15yo girl. How time passes.
I read if the translation was correct that they broke up somehow because of it? Is this true?

I al4eady got my answer the translation was just completely wrong. They are still together
 
In one or two cases Alina truly had an unclear edge (though should have never received "e"), the problems with judging (esp. at IdF) was she definitely wasn't alone, but somehow others wrong edges weren't called which was found OK here that Alina was judged more harshly. Alina also received that ridiculous deduction for a time violation in her short program.

I agree, if one person gets a deduction for wrong edge, everyone with wrong edge should be deducted
 
As other people have said, it is virtually impossible to predict 2022 at this point in the quad, seeing as no one predicted Alina winning at this point in the quad last time.

However it is fun to joke around with this, so I will say to everyone counting out the 3A, or certain members of the 3A, that Evgenia was their age at this point in the quad last time, and about as dominant as them (or as dominant as each of them individually would be without the others), and she was considered a lock for the team and that ended up being true. Yes she didn't win gold, but she got silver which is not some horrific failure, its an amazing achievement, especially considering she was injured. Of course, the situation is different this time, with there being three of them, the added triple axel/quad factor, and the fact that Valieva also exists. Not to mention that if Zagitova rose up unexpectedly at this point in the quad, then Usacheva or Kromykh also could, with one of them having international success already and the other having a quad.

But my point is that I wouldn't count out the 3A, or two of the 3A, really. If I had to say my prediction, I would say some combination of Trusova + Shcherbakova + Valieva + Kostornaya. It'll already be a tragedy that one of those 4 doesn't make it, given how special each of them is. Not only do each of them have the potential to make Olympic teams, but in any other quad each of them could be World and Olympic Champions. The fact that at least one of them won't make the team is very sad. Anyways, because there are already at least 4 "stand-outs" of the quad instead of one (Medvedeva) at this point, I don't know if a Zagitova situation can happen again.
 
I wish there were more competitions like World Team Trophy, Universiade or Japan Open. They‘re not as prestigious as Worlds, of course but it would be so much better if the B team (last season Medvedeva, Zagitova and Tuktamysheva) didn‘t have to end their season after Nationals and instead got more opportunities to compete. But if the GP season ends up canceled this season it will be even worse as we might only have Nationals, Euros and Worlds and top skaters like Zhenya, Alina and Liza might end up competing only once in an entire year. That would be a real tragedy.
 
i will say my dream team is Kamila, Aliona and Anna, but i want all of them to make it! :gaah:
 
I'm sure. If we go back a few years, we will surely find even more irresponsibility of the Trusov family, about which we could be outraged. I hope you enjoy it.

Why should I enjoy it ? Sasha’s health is on the line. You must be among those people who think it only happens to others.
 
I wish there were more competitions like World Team Trophy, Universiade or Japan Open. They‘re not as prestigious as Worlds, of course but it would be so much better if the B team (last season Medvedeva, Zagitova and Tuktamysheva) didn‘t have to end their season after Nationals and instead got more opportunities to compete. But if the GP season ends up canceled this season it will be even worse as we might only have Nationals, Euros and Worlds and top skaters like Zhenya, Alina and Liza might end up competing only once in an entire year. That would be a real tragedy.

Good question. But aren't these commercial tournaments, heavily sponsored, or limited to second tier skaters who happen to be available at their university? Also, their judging isn't of the highest standards, which reduces their actual value.

With the pandemic raising its ugly head again in various parts of the world, with authorities immediately responding by closing borders and events again, the chances of Euros or Worlds this and next year are not certain at all. Big financially powerful sports like soccer, tennis, F1 and the commercial US sports will be able to hold their events in empty stadiums, their TV rights income is sufficient. Figure skating, gymnastics and other high expense tournaments with young and 'less interesting participants' much less so. Here, every cent of income matters, unless the venue can be used for almost nil expense, like with many state/municipal owned arenas in countries where these things haven't yet been privatised.

We can only hope for the best, that is citizens staying sensible and observing all protective measures to keep the larger society safe and the economy from not collapsing. But over here, discipline is already slacking and everybody seems to get tired of maintaining the protection of themselves and others. Mass tourism is already opening up with family holidays approaching which means there will be more international travel.
The recent Bejing outbreak has apparently been traced back to salmon cutting surfaces in a well monitored wholesale food market. And a new branch of corona has been determined, more virulent even.
This virus will plague us for quite some to come I fear.
 
So many Olympic predictions... I just want to remind how it was at the same time 4 years ago https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?60754-Ladies-Olympic-Predictions

Tsurskaya was probably the main favorite(how is Valieva now) and everyone knows how her story ended. It’s still too early to talk about Olympic team, a lot of things can happen.

Wow, most people's predictions on that thread were totally off...
The most mentioned were Polina Tsurskaya, Ashley Wagner, Satoko Miyahara, Marin Honda, Evgenia Medvedeva.
There were like 3 mentions total of Alina Zagitova, none of them predicting the gold. Also very few mentioned Katelyn Osmond.

I found this part of a post interesting...
Ever since 1996 (when they made the transition to having Winter and Summer Olympics in alternate quads), the world champion 2 years before the Olympics always ends up on the podium. So Medvedeva will medal, probably win, probably with a clean skate, probably with the same tinkly miming program she's been using for the past 3 seasons, probably absurdly overscored. (Unless the Koreans have been quietly plotting their revenge since Sochi.)

This season will be most telling - not only has the ladies world champion prior to the Olympics always been on the podium, but for the past few cycles, at least 2 medalists from the prior worlds will medal.
 
So many Olympic predictions... I just want to remind how it was at the same time 4 years ago https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?60754-Ladies-Olympic-Predictions

Tsurskaya was probably the main favorite(how is Valieva now) and everyone knows how her story ended. It’s still too early to talk about Olympic team, a lot of things can happen.

wow that thread is a hot mess! so many podium predictions didn't even end up making the 2018 olympics or retired before, and that was even less time out than we are now.
 
Some people write such big texts in this thread, so passionately, that I wonder how much time they actually have and how healthy their relationship with this forum actually is. It’s creepy in my opinion.


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Some people write such big texts in this thread, so passionately, that I wonder how much time they actually have and how healthy their relationship with this forum actually is. It’s creepy in my opinion.


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why did you feel this comment was necessary?
 
I think more top coaches/training camps can only be good for the sport. It is less interesting when one or two training camps have a monopoly over the elite skaters in the sport.

I agree and I think we could see some very interesting developments in juniors next season (assuming there is a junior season) as other teams are gaining ground and refusing to be left in the dust. Regarding Muravyeva, I knew Plushenko was going to get a junior eligible lady and that he would be aiming to challenge Eteri at every level in the upcoming season. And I do believe he has enough recognition from the Fed to make something happen. Surely this all but guarantees Muravyeva’s spot on the JGP if they weren’t planning to give her one already. Will she manage to compete with them and coach Plushenko makes a splash in both juniors and seniors? This has some potential for sure.

Even within Eteri’s team there are questions. Unlike in previous years when there were conveniently 3 (or less) Eteri juniors to fill 3 spots available for JWC, this year there will be four with the new eligibility of Adeliya Petrosyan. So even without other teams producing formidable challengers we know that not all of them can make it, and though I’m fairly confident in Valieva’s chances, I don’t think Petrosyan can be so easily written off as a threat to Usacheva and Khromykh. She is a special young lady with an undeniable quality of exuberance and charm on the ice. It will be interesting to see what happens here.

Speaking of formidable challengers from other teams, Somodelkina could really make a splash this year with her triksel. She could certainly challenge Usacheva/Khromykh/Petrosyan for at spot at JWC making that battle even more intense and might even challenge Valieva for major titles in similar fashion to Kostornaia defeating Shcherbakova/Trusova’s quads with a 3A last season. This could be something as no other team in Russia has been able to threaten Eteri’s dominance on the junior level in the last few years.

So many questions for the upcoming season, Who gets left behind from Eteri’s team and how does this impact their standing within the team? Does Somodelkina crash Eteri’s party at the major championships and could she even win the JGPF/JWC (Davydov’s first big victory)? Where will Muravyeva/Plushenko fit in politically? It will be interesting for sure and gives us a lot to look forward to.
 
So many Olympic predictions... I just want to remind how it was at the same time 4 years ago https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?60754-Ladies-Olympic-Predictions

Tsurskaya was probably the main favorite(how is Valieva now) and everyone knows how her story ended. It’s still too early to talk about Olympic team, a lot of things can happen.
Indeed, it'd have been tough to predict that a person who had yet to make her JGP debut would win the Olympics 1.5 years later.

A few things are different, however. The most important one is that one doesn't just get quads out of nowhere. If those are needed to compete, then the skaters with potential for them can be seen well in advance. It's not like with triples where just about everyone can do all triples and the decider could be something such as backloading every single jump. Second, Valieva's in an entirely different realm in comparison to Tsurskaya as a talent. Tsurskaya's jumps were just about the only truly noteworthy thing about her. Valieva mostly wipes the floor with the entire senior field with her components, spins etc. Also, a significant reason people would predict Valieva is due to Zagitova's success, actually.

The other thing there is that the 2005-2006 age group is quite weak for Russia, with just Valieva as a noteworthy talent. Technically, I guess it'd be possible for someone like Usacheva to end up becoming good enough to win, but it's just so difficult to see her getting enough difficult jumping content in time.
Some people write such big texts in this thread, so passionately, that I wonder how much time they actually have and how healthy their relationship with this forum actually is. It’s creepy in my opinion.


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This is easily the creepiest post I have seen in this thread. Even normally, but especially during Corona lockdown commenting like this is simply absurd.
 
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