2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[SkateSkates]

Wow, why are you exalt Alena so much? Please don't do that. This is offensive to other ladies who are no worse than her, and to those who are better, like Alina. And this is harmful for Alena herself, because you can see how she doesn't become stronger in PCS, but only weakens.

Yes, Alina is more titled than Aliona, but people can think that Aliona has better SS, grace and musicality. And someone else can think Satoko is better than both of them. And someone else can say Anna has better musicality...and so on.

It’s not a fact, but an opinion.

 

[Shayuki]

Yes, but she is also probably the most well known in the general public! Some of her YouTube videos from this past season are much more popular than Alena’s and Sasha’s (her skate America free in particular, receiving 1.5 million views!)

Well that's just because of her costume change. But of course, that gimmick did help her with getting some more fans and exposure.

 

[Scott512]

Ohhhh! Yes, how terrible person he is! And how ridiculous who nominated Trusova at all!

she deserve the nomination and all the records she achieved.

Wow, why are you exalt Alena so much? Please don't do that. This is offensive to other ladies who are no worse than her, and to those who are better, like Alina. And this is harmful for Alena herself, because you can see how she doesn't become stronger in PCS, but only weakens.

I don't praise Alena at the expense of others. You will never find me criticizing other skaters in the forum here and say they lack talent only to praise Aliona. Her unbelievable skating skills and talents speak for themselves. Saying that is not criticizing others in my opinion.

I don't think Scott intended anything harmful to other ladies or Aliona. He is very exalted by most of the russian ladies incl. Alina. Sometimes it is not an easy task to praise one while not saying something that could be turned against the others and many misunderstandings are caused of that. BTW that's why I used terms like 3A/4A and so and I believe many other people did it for the same reason. Not because we wouldn't recognize them as individuals but precisely because we din't want to leave any of them "forgotten".

Of course I meant no harm to the other ladies. And I have called Alina GOAT material for almost a year-and-a-half.

Good point about how you wrote and many of us here wrote about the Russian Ladies as 3A or 4A as not to leave anyone out.

 

[Thrashergurl]

Aliona is a special, rare talent. I think the whole world took notice of her last season. She is the most talented skater so far of any of the Eteri girls. Saying this doesn’t diminish the others, who are all talented - each skater has their own strengths and weaknesses, but Aliona has the complete package.

 

[voolfee]

Aliona is a special, rare talent. I think the whole world took notice of her last season. She is the most talented skater so far of any of the Eteri girls. Saying this doesn’t diminish the others, who are all talented - each skater has their own strengths and weaknesses, but Aliona has the complete package.

Sorry, but Alena also has her weaknesses. Even in skating skills: one-foot skating, multi-directional skating, sureness of steps and turns. Also Alena's performance isn't at a high level. She isn't very involved in the program and rarely gives her emotional energy to the viewers. Therefore, many viewers who watched her skating in the stadium noted that she makes a much less impression than on the screen. Her musicality is also exaggerated. Alena is far from being as perfect as some people imagine her here.

 

[Orlov]

Sorry, but Alena also has her weaknesses. Even in skating skills: one-foot skating, multi-directional skating, sureness of steps and turns. Also Alena's performance isn't at a high level. She isn't very involved in the program and rarely gives her emotional energy to the viewers. Therefore, many viewers who watched her skating in the stadium noted that she makes a much less impression than on the screen. Her musicality is also exaggerated. Alena is far from being as perfect as some people imagine her here.

Flow of random subjectivity. Whatever, dude.

 

[Fried]

(...) but Aliona has the complete package.

For the really complete package, a tiny detail is missing after the Quad Revolution.

 

[Skatesocs]

Flow of random subjectivity.

Why random?

 

[AshWagsFan]

Well that's just because of her costume change. But of course, that gimmick did help her with getting some more fans and exposure.

It could also be because of her two quad Lutzes in the free skate and making history at 15... you don’t see that everyday, especially not in other sports.

 

[AshWagsFan]

For the really complete package, a tiny detail is missing after the Quad Revolution.

She is working on the 4S. The “full package” doesn’t need to include a quad when you’re arguably the best skater in the world with or without a quad.

 

[lopsilceci]

Aliona is a special, rare talent. I think the whole world took notice of her last season. She is the most talented skater so far of any of the Eteri girls. Saying this doesn’t diminish the others, who are all talented - each skater has their own strengths and weaknesses, but Aliona has the complete package.

To say that Aliona is already perfect is to say that she can't grow and improve, which isn't true. Everyone, including Aliona has strenghts and weaknesses.

I think one of those areas where Aliona can improve is her musicality or emotional connection to the music, where imo Anna and Alina are superior.
I think some people have talked about her lutz edge not being clear... I guess this is a problem most ladies have but that's another area of improvement for Aliona as well.

 

[Fried]

She is working on the 4S. The “full package” doesn’t need to include a quad when you’re arguably the best skater in the world with or without a quad.

Who determines who is the best skater in the world? You? Objectively, there is no such thing as the best skater in the world. This attribution is purely subjective. There is a world champion who is determined at a world championship. And only there. And even the world champion is not necessarily the best skater in the world. This is clear to everyone who can count 1 and 1 together. He did the best at the crucial moment. And even under competitive conditions, figure skating is one of the sports with a high proportion of subjective evaluation. But that's the rules. In short. You should give people the title that they have won and I think Alyona doesn't have to hide. Incidentally, I also think Alyona would be embarrassed to be called "the best skater in the world".

Moreover I would like to point out that you have refuted yourself. When something is complete, you don't need (and can't) add anything. Conversely, this means: If you could add something, you were not complete before.

 

[Arbitrary]

She is working on the 4S. The “full package” doesn’t need to include a quad when you’re arguably the best skater in the world with or without a quad.

Kostornaya is the best skater when others crash. Even RusFed Board, not talking about ISU, would not dare to put Trusova with 5 properly landed quads below her. Or Scherbakova with three upper quads if Trusova not managed.
With all due respect but three 3Ax could stand little against five quads. Not counting the possible 3Ax in SP. Trusova lost a lot of PCS with all her falls.

This means Aliona was just OK for 2019 and 1st half of 2020, but she understands pretty well she has a space to improve.

 

[lopsilceci]

I don't know what she is or is not. That's why I don't say anything of the sort. Incidentally, I find it significant that the people who "know" what Alyona is not, also "know" what Sasha is, and "know" why she switched to Plushenko.

I think everyone agreed that it was Sasha's parents who arranged the coaching change, not Sasha herself. No one blamed Sasha for anything.
And I think it's reasonable to have doubts about their decision when they took her from the best coach for ladies in the world to someone who's just starting out as a coach and has no significant results.
If Plushenko manages to fulfill all the promises he keeps making about Sasha, then it will all have been worth it, but until then, it's not wrong to question this career move.

 

[AshWagsFan]

Who determines who is the best skater in the world? You? Objectively, there is no such thing as the best skater in the world. This attribution is purely subjective. There is a world champion who is determined at a world championship. And only there. And even the world champion is not necessarily the best skater in the world. This is clear to everyone who can count 1 and 1 together. He did the best at the crucial moment. And even under competitive conditions, figure skating is one of the sports with a high proportion of subjective evaluation. But that's the rules. In short. You should give people the title that they have won and I think Alyona doesn't have to hide. Incidentally, I also think Alyona would be embarrassed to be called "the best skater in the world".

Moreover I would like to point out that you have refuted yourself. When something is complete, you don't need (and can't) add anything. Conversely, this means: If you could add something, you were not complete before.

Again, I said arguably The best for a reason. I never declared her as the best I Skater in the world! Iwould love to see her grow as a skater and land a quad! All I’m saying is, with or without a quad, she is a great skater! That’s not to say that there aren’t other skaters who are better/worse than her, but to say she’s not “the full package” is a bit harsh IMO.

 

[Skatesocs]

There was an OT discussion about Medvedeva in the "Rika Kihira goes to Brian Orser" thread, that I don't want to continue there. I'll say here that I see improvement in Medvedeva's basic skating and jumping ability, and she's become a lot more assured and confident with the movement (much less flailing). However, I disagree that she's improved artistically with Orser. She has never hit the high of her 2016 worlds LP, which not only showed off her blade control and sharp body movement, but also drew something natural out of her. They are trying to show off her confidence currently, but nothing special in terms of emotion or unique skating ability.

 

[dunffvanstorn]

Wow, why are you exalt Alena so much? Please don't do that. This is offensive to other ladies who are no worse than her, and to those who are better, like Alina. And this is harmful for Alena herself, because you can see how she doesn't become stronger in PCS, but only weakens.

[emoji849]

 

[dunffvanstorn]

Aliona is a special, rare talent. I think the whole world took notice of her last season. She is the most talented skater so far of any of the Eteri girls. Saying this doesn’t diminish the others, who are all talented - each skater has their own strengths and weaknesses, but Aliona has the complete package.

Thank you [emoji1317]

 

[dunffvanstorn]

I think everyone agreed that it was Sasha's parents who arranged the coaching change, not Sasha herself. No one blamed Sasha for anything.
And I think it's reasonable to have doubts about their decision when they took her from the best coach for ladies in the world to someone who's just starting out as a coach and has no significant results.
If Plushenko manages to fulfill all the promises he keeps making about Sasha, then it will all have been worth it, but until then, it's not wrong to question this career move.

Why is it so difficult to understand that Sasha had a really special connection with Rozanov and him having left Eteri was one of her biggest motivations to go to Pluschenko.

Sergei Rozanov was the one who was with her at her 1st Junior Worlds title, the bond she has with him as a coach was probably bigger than the one she had with Dudakov, but Rozanov was rarely seen on screens and so people tend to forget about him.

 

[Amei]

Sorry, but Alena also has her weaknesses. Also Alena's performance isn't at a high level. She isn't very involved in the program and rarely gives her emotional energy to the viewers. Therefore, many viewers who watched her skating in the stadium noted that she makes a much less impression than on the screen. Her musicality is also exaggerated. Alena is far from being as perfect as some people imagine her here.

Agree with this, outside of the last roughly 45 seconds of her FS to me she shows almost no connection to her program music for either program from last year.

Flow of random subjectivity. Whatever, dude.

Your point?

almost everything with figure skating is subjective, pretty much the only thing that's not subjective is if a skater lands on their butt it equals a fall. Can't really think of anything else that isn't subjective to a person's taste or opinion.